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Posted by: Tha Don

well i'm nearly 4 weeks in to my dbol/test cycle (30mg/500mg), and today was chest day, consisted of benching (3 warm up sets, then pyramided from 8x100kg, to 4x112.5kg - which was a PB btw!

) and i could feel a bit of soreness in my front delts, then i went on to inclines (3x10x35kg and 1x6x35kg) and my shoulders REALLY started killing, in fact the pain in my shoulders was now totally overshadowing a mega chest pump, which pissed me off because it felt like it was taking my focus away from my chest and onto my shoulders which i didn't want, on my last set of inclines i struggled out 6x35kg, because my shoulders were just hurting too much! flys were okay, as were dips, but again the shoulder pain was a major distraction and i was in a LOT of distress/pain by the end of the workout, i mean if i hadn't of been in the gym i probably would have fallen over and started whining!

i also got the same on my delts/bis/tris workout last week, i will move bi/tris to their own day so they will not get affected, but i didn't realise my shoulders would be so bad on chest day as well

what should i do???? i'm thinking along the lines of painkillers? do you guys ever get this? how do you deal with it?

D.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Post your workout
how many times a week you train each muscle group
sets
reps
ect

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Post your workout
how many times a week you train each muscle group
sets
reps
ect

its all in my journal (first post i talk about my routine and the volume i'll be using)

reps vary workout to workout, generally 4-10 reps for chest/back, 6-12 for delts/bis/tris, 10-20 for quads/hams/traps, 20-40 for abs/calves/f.arms, i tend to use heaviest weight possible

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by young d

Ok I just read the workout, it looks good. The only thing I can say is do higher reps. The only time I have ever had any problems has been with low reps on bench. Unless you are a power lifter I don't think you really need to do reps less than 6, personally 99% of the time I do 8-12 and that works great for me. But its just my opinion.

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

TBH i think its more muscular pain than joint pain, could be the painful pumps that people talk about getting on dbol? surely someone else must have experienced this? maybe it is just something i will have to get used to

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by young d

could be the painful pumps that people talk about getting on dbol? surely someone else must have experienced this?

I would bet money that it is the pumps. They get worse as the test levels get higher and you continue the dbol. If you are using creatine, STOP NOW. You could try lowering your dbol dose, or scheduling your doses so that you don't take any for 4 hours before working out. I found that I could deal with it once I dropped the creatine. The shoulders and back are the worst for me on orals. I did have to quit deadlifts for a few weeks and squats hurt so bad that I had to lie down between sets--and that didn't help much.

Posted by: Cardinal

I vote pumps too. We discussed this awhile back over on conversionboard I think. I usually just put my arm straight over my head and tried to keep it flush up against my head stretching it. Pain would go away enough to do more sets. It might take 10-15 seconds to notice any relief, but it worked well for a couple of us.

Posted by: kraziplaya

i sure hope it isnt ur rotator cuff...as ur strength goes up extremely in a short time...it may be hard on ur rotator...or it could just be the pumps...just dont screw up ur rotator..man i was out for almost two months because i ignored pains from my rotator and kept going

Posted by: LAM

sodium bicarbonate helps to buffer lactic acid. you can try taking several grams about 30 minutes before training.

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by kraziplaya

i sure hope it isnt ur rotator cuff...as ur strength goes up extremely in a short time...it may be hard on ur rotator...or it could just be the pumps...just dont screw up ur rotator..man i was out for almost two months because i ignored pains from my rotator and kept going

I know the feeling as i have lost over 100 lbs on the bench. all overhead pressing movements had fallen for the worst. Have had a lot of shoulder pain the last 4-6 months. Had a MRI just done friday and do indeed have a torn left rotator cuff. Need to go back to now to see a specialist. My Dr says stop lifting. I just can't do that and refuse. When it gets to the point where i can't lift at all then I'll stop and have it repaired. Call me stupid but I just not gonna stop now.
What you think Mr. Lam have any magical soltutions that can help besides stop lifting. I was thinking of going to all Really heavy partial reps on Bench and overhead pressing. Seems like bringing the bar down to my chest really creats a lot of pain vs a 4-6" drop and then back up. I'm talking about increasing weight to 1.5 x my one time max for short range reps

(P)LENTY (T)OUGH

Posted by: kraziplaya

[QUOTE=Tough Old Man]I know the feeling as i have lost over 100 lbs on the bench. all overhead pressing movements had fallen for the worst. Have had a lot of shoulder pain the last 4-6 months. Had a MRI just done friday and do indeed have a torn left rotator cuff. Need to go back to now to see a specialist. My Dr says stop lifting. I just can't do that and refuse. When it gets to the point where i can't lift at all then I'll stop and have it repaired. Call me stupid but I just not gonna stop now.
What you think Mr. Lam have any magical soltutions that can help besides stop lifting. I was thinking of going to all Really heavy partial reps on Bench and overhead pressing. Seems like bringing the bar down to my chest really creats a lot of pain vs a 4-6" drop and then back up. I'm talking about increasing weight to 1.5 x my one time max for short range reps

dude man..if ur shit is screwed u better chill...u cannot help it by doin exercises that will further hurt it...let me give u a good regimen...first u gotta ice it every nite...lay off all presses or anything that aggravates it..flyes,presses,lat pull downs..anything that aggravates,,stop for 2 weeks...do other things instead..next..slowly incorporate rotator exercises..slowly with little weights...maybe a week after icing every nite and stopped training; start with the rotator training...next when u can finally start doin some presses and movements that allow u to not hurt...always warm up ur rotator and avoid the horrible rotator exercises...flatbench kills mine..just do it every once in a while if u must...and iceing is real importatnt and layin off it man..im tellin u..u DO NOT want to get it to the point of surjery

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

be careful bro if you fuck up your shoulders you will have a long recovery...I fucked up one of mine and it really effected my workouts...it still makes it difficult sometimes.

Posted by: Mudge

Painkillers? Come on now.

Should we add up how many people are dead or have life long problems from masking pain???

I benched tonight, and my whole pressing routine including warmups was 6 sets. I do bench twice a week though (Metal Militia). I have been working on form for a number of years as well, and that has helped significantly.

Shoulder work is very low for me, especially if you are doing lots of incline work.

Posted by: LAM

shoulder injury is the most common injury of steroid users. I would defintly lay off the shoulders if it's anything more than severe pain from muscle fatigue.

Posted by: Tha Don

thanks for the replys all, i'm pretty sure its the pumps, i will try doing what cardinal said - arm above head stretch, try some sodium bicarbonate, and reschedule/drop my pre-workout dose, hopefully that will help things

Posted by: Mudge

Pumps? I've had nasty ass pumps on anadrol and there is no mistaking injury for an hour long session of painfull pumps.

Posted by: HardTrainer

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Pumps? I've had nasty ass pumps on anadrol and there is no mistaking injury for an hour long session of painfull pumps.

lol @ ass pumps, what seamen you taking

Posted by: Tha Don

well dropped my pre-workout dose today, and trained lats/traps, everything felt fine until i started deadlifting, then my lower back started hurting but it was nowhere near as bad as the pains i got in my delts yesterday, i also wasn't so rushed so my rest times were a bit longer, which might have helped

Posted by: HardTrainer

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Originally Posted by young d

well dropped my pre-workout dose today, and trained lats/traps, everything felt fine until i started deadlifting, then my lower back started hurting but it was nowhere near as bad as the pains i got in my delts yesterday, i also wasn't so rushed so my rest times were a bit longer, which might have helped

how much you gained in strenght and weight while on the d-bol for 4 weeks?

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by HardTrainer

how much you gained in strenght and weight while on the d-bol for 4 weeks?

so far my weight gain is 14lbs, my weight hasn't gone up at all since last week, which could be due to the AI's and diuretics i've been on, but its more likely to be down to not enough food and too many late nights partying

, its true what they say... steroids are not magic! you still have to eat plenty, train hard, and get your rest, i'm really trying to knuckle down this week, got a phone call telling me to come out tonight a couple of mins ago, but i'm not, i'm resting and eating this evening and hopefully growing

in terms of strength you looking at an extra 5kg on my compounds so far (or 2-3 extra reps at the same weight), form also seems to be better lately (i'm handling the weights easier, and using the M-M connection more, which is good... as after i lost strength from cutting i've been struggling a bit)... so no real insane strength gains yet, i'm hoping they will come once the test starts to make its presence

Posted by: redspy

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Originally Posted by young d

its true what they say... steroids are not magic! you still have to eat plenty, train hard, and get your rest, .....

Very true indeed. It's only when you go on cycle you really appreciate this fact. Many people seem to think if you juice everything will take care of itself.

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