Originally Posted by kraziplaya

i think if u want big shoulders u better have a shoulder day...or a push day...chest and shoulders togetehr...but i would say most people(not all) cannot get away with having their shoulders worked in their chest workout

Originally Posted by BiggerNstronger

I think all he was asking was if the benchpress movements can REPLACE military press, not ALL other shoulder movements. I would say...maybe. Depends on you and your genetics. I do little or NO military press and Im more than pleases with my shoulders, but I have ALWAYS had big shoulders and had no problem getting them bigger.

Originally Posted by rangers97

well i wasn't saying to replace the shoulder presses with the bench press, just wondering if benching can help pass the time between shoulder pressing workouts for the front delts. I do a lot of lateral raises and reverse pec dec throughout the week, but like I said I want to structure a routine that will hit the military press once every 10 days. So iwanted to know if bench pressing between those 10 days will help to sustain any gains i already made between pressing days....does that make sense?

Originally Posted by kraziplaya

i hate u natural genetic shoulder freaks...i have the worst shoulders ever...i been blasting them hard the last 6 months with military presses(standing/heavy) and lots of laterals...now they are finally coming in...no way in the world i could get away with bench presses as my pressing movement for shoulders

Originally Posted by rangers97

My question is this. Does the bench press work the front delts as well as a military press would, just from a different angle? Can you get away with doing an overhead pressing movement every 10 days if you are doing a benching movement every 5 or 6 and still get good shoulder development?

Originally Posted by Flex

To answer your question,
Therefore, you should definitely have other shoulder movements in their to build your delts. Yes, benching will improve your shoulders, but only to a certain extent. Most importantly, you need to remember to work the other 2 heads of your delts, b/c they are probably underdeveloped from excessive benching

Originally Posted by Flex

Just make sure when doing side laterals that your squeezing those delts up by pulling from your elbows, instead of the typical "swing the weight up to teh side". Your hands should be tilted forward the entire time, as if you're pouring out a pitcher of water. And take your traps outta the picture by squeezing the weight out and up, as opposed to just up. You trying to improve your delts, not traps.

As for rear delts, learn how to squeeze them correctly, peak 'em, and slowly fight the negative. They'll grow in no time...

Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin

About squeezing the pecs... I find it's much easier to use DBs because they just sort of naturally squeeze more than with a BB. That's just one of the reasons I exclusively use DBs for benching.

Originally Posted by BiggerNstronger

I think all he was asking was if the benchpress movements can REPLACE military press, not ALL other shoulder movements. I would say...maybe. Depends on you and your genetics. I do little or NO military press and Im more than pleases with my shoulders, but I have ALWAYS had big shoulders and had no problem getting them bigger.

Originally Posted by Flex

You can develop good front delts from benching if you're benching incorrectly...which most people do.

Most people don't have a good chest because they don't even know how to contract their pecs. When you look at someone benching, most of the time they just push with all their might, working the shoulders just as much, if not more than their chest. That's why you see so many guys sort of drooped over in a "permanent most muscular pose", with their traps and front delts always rolled forward, exactly due to that reason. This also leads to rotator cuff injuries, as your delts bear the entire burden.

So, when benching, learn how to squeeze your pecs in order to raise/lower the weight. Not only will it improve your chest, but you'll stay injury free.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Sure is nice to see you back posting. where have you been?