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Splenda, Should I Be Concerned ?


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Posted by: SPIKE1257

http://www.mercola.com/2004/mar/31/splenda_reaction.htm



Posted by: Vieope

Remember when you ate everything and was happy and healthy?



Posted by: SPIKE1257

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieope
Remember when you ate everything and was happy and healthy?
Well, at least happy..



Posted by: The Monkey Man

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIKE1257
Well, at least happy..




Posted by: Vieope

Are you really in India?
Hijacking thread alert..




Posted by: Dale Mabry

Note to self...Whenever someone posts potential hazards of a substance and...

1)He is an organic nut

and

2)Sites no credible source

You can disregard anything he says.



Posted by: musclepump

Eat Splenda. Be Happy.



Posted by: SPIKE1257

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Note to self...Whenever someone posts potential hazards of a substance and...

1)He is an organic nut

and

2)Sites no credible source

You can disregard anything he says.




Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Note to self...Whenever someone posts potential hazards of a substance and...

1)He is an organic nut

and

2)Sites no credible source

You can disregard anything he says.

I noticed that about Mercola also, He never sites any sources. What is up with that?? That guy is such an anal freak.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

I know, and he is an actual MD.

Funny thing is, statistically there is a relationship between ice cream and murder rate, but you won't see anyone telling you to not eat ice cream or you'll die.



Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-funk
I noticed that about Mercola also, He never sites any sources. What is up with that?? That guy is such an anal freak.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...7&postcount=15



Posted by: min0 lee

I've always been leery of splenda, just sounds too good to be true.



Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieope

lmao....what the fuck?? Did you have that saved somewhere so that you could pull it out whenever you needed it? An ace up the sleeve if you will. How did you not only remeber that but search it out. You are a real freak!! LMAO. I am not as anal as Mercola though. that guy wins.



Posted by: The Monkey Man

Does anyone remember that herbal sweetener, that EmmaLeigh was recommending!?



Posted by: P-funk

stevia??



Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-funk
lmao....what the fuck?? Did you have that saved somewhere so that you could pull it out whenever you needed it? An ace up the sleeve if you will. How did you not only remeber that but search it out. You are a real freak!! LMAO. I am not as anal as Mercola though. that guy wins.
I wish I knew how that rabbit did it.
He seems to catch me also.



Posted by: BiggerNstronger

69% of all people who die of lung cancer also take in over 50grams of protein per day. Coincidence? Maybe. STOP EATING PROTEIN!


Eat splenda, eat the pink stuff or the blue stuff.....whatever is going to happen is going to happen.



Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-funk
lmao....what the fuck?? Did you have that saved somewhere so that you could pull it out whenever you needed it? An ace up the sleeve if you will. How did you not only remeber that but search it out. You are a real freak!! LMAO.
lol

The answer to that is quite presumptuous. Even the word presumptuous is kinda arrogant.




Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee
I wish I knew how that rabbit did it.
He seems to catch me also.




Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by BiggerNstronger
Eat splenda, eat the pink stuff or the blue stuff.....whatever is going to happen is going to happen.
I wonder if the blue bunny is pink on the inside?



Posted by: Vieope

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee
I wonder if the blue bunny is pink on the inside?
I show you pink.

Wait a minute.. you just tricked me..




Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieope
I show you pink.

Wait a minute.. you just tricked me..




Posted by: Emma-Leigh

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIKE1257
Written by mercola??



No.

Go and check out pubmed or medline for scientific, peer reviewed articles. If you find significant amounts of evidence there - then you start to get concerned.



Posted by: XcelKrush

If Emma eats splenda, Ill eat splenda.



Posted by: Emma-Leigh

Quote:
Originally Posted by XcelKrush
If Emma eats splenda, Ill eat splenda.
LOL - actually... Although I don't give the article written by Mercola a second thought (he is a quack)... and although there is no evidence to suggest that sucrolose is toxic (they have done studies where they fed MASSIVE amounts of the stuff with no negative effects) I made a personal choice to limit artificial sweeteners a long time ago.

But for those who like to partake in the sweeter things then sucrolose (splenda) and stevia are the two nicest options. I don't really use splenda(except in some of the SF syrups I occasionally use) but I will use stevia on the odd occasion that I want to sweeten a recipe with something other than rose water or vanilla extract...

I particularly just try to stay away from the other sweeteners...


(oh - there is a good article on the effects of some of the artificial sweeteners - the sugar alcohols - in terms of blood glucose/calorie content: sugar alcohols)...



Posted by: ricky_rocket

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee
I've always been leery of splenda, just sounds too good to be true.
I agree.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh
I made a personal choice to limit artificial sweeteners a long time ago. I particularly just try to stay away from the other sweeteners...
Seems like every 10 years or so they come up with something to replace sugar and later it turns out to be worse for you than sugar (although we could debate the "proof" forever). What ever happened to "NutraSweet" that was a magical replacement awhile back too.



Posted by: Super Hulk

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPIKE1257
read this on splenda : http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/

and for those who say to eat it and enjoy your life, uhh short life that is,
have a happy 3-4 some odd years then its ireversible health problems. and oh yea, pain isnt fun



Posted by: BigDyl

Steve tastes good.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

That website sites one study from 1991. If it were a serious health issue and the study was considered sound, there would be hundreds of studies by now. There are not.

If a study is not published, there is a reason for it. If this were actually the case, most of the diet journals would be flooded with this information.

On a side note, did you know that if you feed rats enough water, they will die? So now water is toxic.



Posted by: SPIKE1257

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDyl
Steve tastes good.
So how long have you been eating Steve ? And why are you coming out of the closet in my thread ?



Posted by: Super Hulk

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDyl
Steve tastes good.
what brand do you use ? the kind i tried tastes like crap



Posted by: Super Hulk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
That website sites one study from 1991. If it were a serious health issue and the study was considered sound, there would be hundreds of studies by now. There are not.

If a study is not published, there is a reason for it. If this were actually the case, most of the diet journals would be flooded with this information.

On a side note, did you know that if you feed rats enough water, they will die? So now water is toxic.
yea to rats. will people die if they drink to much water ? no ? then animals arent a good test for us are they ? splenda is a CHEMICAL sweetener.



Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Hulk
what brand do you use ? the kind i tried tastes like crap
I don't think he meant brand..



Posted by: Emma-Leigh

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Hulk
yea to rats. will people die if they drink to much water ? no ? then animals arent a good test for us are they ? splenda is a CHEMICAL sweetener.
Yes humans will die if you give them too much water. It results in hyponatraemia (low blood sodium).

And while animal models are not always a good test for human toxicity (eg: they tested thalidamide on pregnant rats with no problem - and look what it did to human babies) companies always test for toxicity levels on rodents initially when it comes to these types of things. This is where they actually get the LD50 for substances (which is the level of a drug/substance you need to give to a test population of rats to kill 50% of them)... Ethically speaking, I don't think people would be too happy if you went around doing LD50 tests...

If you want to read about the toxicity studies they have done for splenda (and this is dated 2001, so I am sure they have done some since then) you can read this:

Quote:
Overall Assessment of Toxicological Data
Sucralose was poorly absorbed after oral administration in humans.

The notified chemical was of very low acute oral toxicity in rats (LD50 > 16 000 mg/kg bw) and mice (LD50 > 10 000 mg/kg bw). The sucralose hydrolysis products, 4-CG and 1,6-DCF, when tested as an equimolar mixture were of low and very low acute oral toxicity in rats (LD50 = 1629 mg/kg bw) and mice (LD50 = 3499 mg/kg bw) respectively.

Sucralose was non mutagenic in three Ames tests and non clastogenic in human lymphocytes and rat bone marrow cells. Sucralose was weakly mutagenic in a mouse lymphoma mutation assay. 4-CG was non mutagenic in an Ames test and a mouse lymphoma assay. 4-CG was non clastogenic as determined by a human lymphocyte assay and a rat bone marrow test.
Although 1,6-DCF was found to be weakly mutagenic in 3/9 Ames tests and 2/5 mouse lymphoma assays, it was non clastogenic as determined by two rat bone marrow chromosomal aberration assay and a human lymphocyte test. 1,6-DCF did not induce sister chromatid exchanges or micronuclei in mouse bone marrow cells. A sex linked recessive lethal assay in Drosophilia melanogaster and a covalent DNA binding potential study in rats were negative. The sucralose hydrolysis products 4-CG and 1,6-DCF were not genotoxic as determined by a dominant lethal test in the mouse when tested as an equimolar mixture.

There was no evidence of treatment related neoplasm in rats fed a diet containing up to 3% sucralose (equivalent to 3000 mg/kg bw/day) during the carcinogenicity phase of a combined chronic toxicity/carcinogenicity study and during a 104 week carcinogenicity study. No evidence of treatment related neoplasia was detected in rats dosed with an equimolar mixture
of the sucralose hydrolysis products, 4-CG and 1,6-DCF, at up to 2000 ppm in the diet for 104 weeks.

Decreased bodyweight gain was observed in rats and mice fed diets containing 3% sucralose for 104 weeks. This effect was not observed in beagle dogs dosed with 3% sucralose (equivalent to 750 mg/kg bw/day) in the diet for 52 weeks. A minimal increase in the incidence of renal pelvic mineralisation and epithelial hyperplasia lesions were detected in rats, primarily females treated with 3% sucralose. A significant decrease in erythrocyte count was detected in female mice dosed with 3% sucralose. Decreased bodyweight gain and a small increase in the incidence of hepatocellular clear cell foci was observed in female rats treated dose with an equimolar mixture of 4-CG and 1,6-DCF at 2000 ppm in the diet for 104
weeks. A number of studies have been conducted examining the acceptability and palatability of sucralose as a cause of reduced bodyweight gain when administered in drinking water or diet. It was determined that reduced bodyweight resulted from reduced palatability of diets containing sucralose. The dietary NOEL for mice and rats was determined to be 30 000 ppm
(equivalent to 1500 mg/kg bw/day). The dietary NOEL for the sucralose hydrolysis products was determined to be 600 ppm (equivalent to 30 mg/kg bw/day).

The notified chemical was not teratogenic in rats and rabbits, was not neurotoxic in mice and monkeys, and had no effect on male and female reproduction in rats, or insulin secretion and carbohydrate metabolism in normal and diabetic human volunteers. Sucralose was found to induce a reduction in thymus weight in rats dosed orally with 3000 mg/kg bw/day. The NOEL for immunological endpoints was 750 mg/kg bw/day.

The sucralose hydrolysis products, 4-CG and 1,6-DCF, when test as an equimolar mixture was not teratogenic, not neurotoxic, and had no effect on male and female reproduction.

The notified chemical is not determined to be a hazardous substance according to the NOHSC Approved Criteria for Classifying Hazardous Substances (NOHSC, 1999).
Or the whole report is here

There is also a really good overview of artificial sweeteners Here at BB.com if you want to read it.

ps: The usual concentration of sucralose in foods is 0.025-0.15 %.



Posted by: Super Hulk

that stuff is a lie.
within minutes of drinking soda with aspartame or sucralose i get a headache.
Every time.

show me someone who consumes aspartame over a few years who has no health problems.i will bet money you cant do it.



Posted by: Tweaked

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Hulk
that stuff is a lie.
yes, we should all take your word for it.



Posted by: Emma-Leigh

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Hulk
that stuff is a lie.


Quote:
within minutes of drinking soda with aspartame or sucralose i get a headache.
Every time.
And how do you know that it is not a placebo effect? Or even if it is just a reaction that your body has?

Quote:
show me someone who consumes aspartame over a few years who has no health problems.i will bet money you cant do it.
That is similar to asking "show me someone who bodybuilds for 3 months who has no health problems...." 99% of people you ask on the street will have 'health problems' regardless of if they consume aspartame.

Oh - and ps: the article I liked to was on splenda (sucralose).




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