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Posted by: JACKED

I was having an interesting dialog this morning @ the gym with some meatheads about Newbie cycles. Of course I got 'em arguing but what I got out of it mostly was this question which I thought would be great for Newb's like myself as I'm Reading So much Literature all I could think about is Juice!!! I wanna take it to the vets and get an accurate poll.

Which would you start with or recommend starting a newbie on:

A) Front load with Test E or Cyp

B) D-bol/ Test E or Cyp

C) Test Prop (of course not 10 weeks)/ Test E or Cyp

D) Drol/ Test E or Cyp

Posted by: TJ Cline

None of the above.

Posted by: JACKED

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

None of the above.

So you're on the Test Only side? Why if I may ask?

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by JACKED

So you're on the Test Only side? Why if I may ask?

I would never recommend Test and Dbol or Anadrol to someone for their first or second cycle. I would recommend a moderate dose Test and Deca cycle and only for 8 weeks. I know everyone here is in love with the 10 week+ cycle for a first time user but I disagree.

Posted by: JACKED

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Wow first time I heard that (although I'm a newb). Why Test/deca and Why only 8 weeks? What do you consider a "moderate" dose?

JUST ASKING<

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by JACKED

Wow first time I heard that (although I'm a newb). Why Test/deca and Why only 8 weeks? What do you consider a "moderate" dose?

JUST ASKING<

Read Mudges post "tendon health" and that will answer the Deca question.
As far as time on cycle it is just from experience, I made great gains from 6-8 week cycles and my body recovered much faster than it did from 10+ week cycles.

Posted by: JACKED

Damn that was a great read. I was going to ask you why not EQ instead of Deca?

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by JACKED

Damn that was a great read. I was going to ask you why not EQ instead of Deca?

EQ or Deca is fine, I just used Deca more than EQ because it was easier for me to get it in 200-300mg per cc doses.

Posted by: JACKED

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

EQ or Deca is fine, I just used Deca more than EQ because it was easier for me to get it in 200-300mg per cc doses.

Thanks for your help. Great info.

Posted by: Witmaster

Damn Foreman, I'm impressed. That was about the most civil response I've seen you display yet! There may just be hope for you after all

Posted by: funkdocta

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

Posted by: JACKED

Why Sus Funk?? I keep hearing mixed reviews on Sus because of the unstable blood levels.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by funkdocta

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

Bad call, IMO.

400 mg Test E or C (10 weeks)
200 mg Deca (8 weeks)
20 mg/day D-bol (weeks 1-4)
HCG, nolva, T3....

Just one practical example for someone concerned about avoiding injury and gettting significant mass gains...

Posted by: 19-chief

just run 400-500 test enan or cyp for 10 weeks... if you're concerned for your joints, use 200-300mg for 8-9 weeks. stick yourself with half that dose e3.5d.

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Originally Posted by funkdocta

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

do you not read these threads? sustanon is 4 different esters... a terrible choice for anyone, let alone a newbie. it's all about steady blood levels, my friend.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by funkdocta

for a newb id say sus and deca once a week for 5 weeks. Its a classic and it works.

Shit they blast me for recommending 6-8 week cycles, they must think you are insane.

Posted by: ag-guys

IMO, newbies ideal run: test+primo+winny+anavar

AG
www.ag-guys.com

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Shit they blast me for recommending 6-8 week cycles, they must think you are insane.

i just don't see the point of doing a enanthate/cypionate and a decanoate for 5-6 weeks... prop and phenylprop perhaps b/c you can get in and get out fast. i think short cycles are great too foreman. i just they should be run with short esters.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by ag-guys

IMO, newbies ideal run: test+primo+winny+anavar

AG
www.ag-guys.com

if you're buying perhaps.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

I put on 20 lbs from a cycle of test C 200mg 2x a week for 6 weeks, plus lost some body fat . I have done 2 week cycles all the way up to 12 week cycles and not once did anything work better than 8 weeks. I think its better to start small, you can get crazy later on.

Posted by: JACKED

Damn, So whats the verdict here??

What I gather is Test E or C, D-bol

If concerned about joints add a Primo, Deca, Eq

Agreed?

Posted by: Pirate!

If I could go back and do a first cycle it would be this:

Six weeks of:
150 mg Test Prop EOD
100 mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (short ester deca) EOD
HCG 300 iu E3D
Nolva 20 mg/day

Take 3 days off, then pct with nolva.

You won't get a verdict. I think short esters are great for first cycles, because you can change things up quickly if you need to, but most people don't want to do EOD shots at first.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

If I could go back and do a first cycle it would be this:

Six weeks of:
150 mg Test Prop EOD
100 mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate (short ester deca) EOD
HCG 300 iu E3D
Nolva 20 mg/day

Take 3 days off, then pct with nolva.

You won't get a verdict. I think short esters are great for first cycles, because you can change things up quickly if you need to, but most people don't want to do EOD shots at first.

Looks good to me.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

i think that's a great cycle too... but i doubt any newbie would have the gahones to poke themselves EOD.

Posted by: JACKED

Wow looking @ that makes plenty of sense. Would any of you not recommend mixing short and long esters i.e. 1 short 1 long? E.g. Test E , Nandrolone phenyl? Or T-prop, and Deca (nandro decanoate)?
What if one couldn't get his hands on HCG? (@ least at a cheap price LOL)

Would any of you still go with a cycle as above and just use your usual suspects like clomid, nolva, or Arim?

I actually have the luxury of having a medical professional in my household and won't be Poking myself, sense this would be the case would any of you recommend "going all out" on the injections still?

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by JACKED

Wow looking @ that makes plenty of sense. Would any of you not recommend mixing short and long esters i.e. 1 short 1 long? E.g. Test E , Nandrolone phenyl? Or T-prop, and Deca (nandro decanoate)?
What if one couldn't get his hands on HCG? (@ least at a cheap price LOL)

Would any of you still go with a cycle as above and just use your usual suspects like clomid, nolva, or Arim?

I actually have the luxury of having a medical professional in my household and won't be Poking myself, sense this would be the case would any of you recommend "going all out" on the injections still?

save the complexities for a future cycle and just do an 8-10 week cycle of long estered test... that shouldn't be too suppressive to your HPTA. with just that compound, odds are you won't need HCG. if you are going to throw in a nandrolone, be safe and get some and run it with the cycle or as it comes to a close but before PCT. there are differing opinions/protocols for HCG, so do your research.

Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

i think that's a great cycle too... but i doubt any newbie would have the gahones to poke themselves EOD.

I did E3D shots on my first cycle and looked forward to everyone of them--wanted to do them early. For those who don't like the shots, short esters are not the way to go.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

I did E3D shots on my first cycle and looked forward to everyone of them--wanted to do them early. For those who don't like the shots, short esters are not the way to go.

i did e4d my first time and i was the same way. gonna do one more long ester cycle then on to the t-prop/d-prop or t-prop/tren-ace.

Posted by: Pirate!

One thing I've noticed about test prop is that ED shots would be better than EOD, but I only have 6 places I shoot, so I'm keeping it at EOD.

Posted by: Ryan-Boro

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

i dont agree with the 10week+ cycle for a newbie!
here in the UK as u probs already know we normally keep our cycles at 6-8weeks.

Posted by: Ryan-Boro

Quote:

Originally Posted by JACKED

if ur gona mix short and long esters together,why not just make it easy and get Sustanon 250

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan-Boro

i dont agree with the 10week+ cycle for a newbie!
here in the UK as u probs already know we normally keep our cycles at 6-8weeks.

A voice of reason rises from the ashes of this forum.

Posted by: Ryan-Boro

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

A voice of reason rises from the ashes of this forum.

is that your way of saying you are happy with my post?

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan-Boro

is that your way of saying you are happy with my post?

Yes I agree 100%

Posted by: Ryan-Boro

woo hoo

Posted by: Ryan-Boro

Hey Foreman???

Posted by: TJ Cline

Posted by: Ryan-Boro

foreman dont u have any pics of yourself? i want to see your phsique,not in a gay way tho lol

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by Ryan-Boro

foreman dont u have any pics of yourself? i want to see your phsique,not in a gay way tho lol

I don't have any that will fit in my gallery, I am going to do a before and after in the next few weeks...as soon as I can borrow a digital camera. I haven't lifted hard in the last 2 1/2 years, so it should be fun to see what I can gain back in the next few months.

Posted by: JACKED

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Originally Posted by Ryan-Boro

if ur gona mix short and long esters together,why not just make it easy and get Sustanon 250

Because I keep hearing: A) Sustanon is Bunk
B) Causes unstable blood levels

From my vantage point (due to my research) I'm guessing with a Long and Short Ester one could keep his eye on the half life and dose accordingly. The problem It seems everyone has is the 4 Esters (since they are premixed) Mainly the Test phenylprop. My guess is probably no way to dose it evenly unless you go ED.

I asked about short and long because with T-prop and TE you can jump start and by the time the TE kicks in you can discontinue the T-prop without harming anything.

Posted by: Ryan-Boro

i went on a 6 week sus course for my 1st ever cycle.had no bad sides at all.it did the job too.

Posted by: Tribal

Just wondering about a short cycle with EQ. I hear it taked about 6-8 weeks to get the full use out of EQ so you would want to run it longer. would primo be better then EQ if doing a 8 week cycle mix with test. I'm nt willing to use deca because I'll will be using proscar for my hair. will this go with the pirmo also

Posted by: atlas

test E-400mg
deca-200mg
clomid,nolva,HCG for PCT.
that,s it.

Posted by: luke69duke69

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

ahh brings back memories... First test I ever used.

Posted by: Masternutt

What does deca do for your joints and tendons? And does eq do the same things as deca for your joints and tendons

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