Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I don't think peeps shit on him because they think he is an asshole, I think it is mostly based on a very poor decision to do what he did to himself.

Originally Posted by musclepump

But he hasn't shown any side effects to what he did. Despite the dosages he used, which are outlined in my book, he never had gyno, testicle shrinkage,etc... And I don't think he's done synthol, IMHO.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Ask his doctor before you believe him......the guy is just a joke...IMO.

Originally Posted by musclepump

Have any written statements from his doctor? If you have any proof he's suffering from his usage, I'd love to see it.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Its your "book"....so its your job...............thats what writing a good book is all about.

Originally Posted by musclepump

All you have to say is, "Nope, I've got no proof. I just talk shit." The book isn't on him, so it's irrelavent regardless. His input is for the realities of steroids and legal section I'm doing, which is coupled with material from Rick Collins.

Btw, since you know what a good book is made of, show me where I can buy yours and I'll support your efforts.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

If you get published Then we will talk

Originally Posted by musclepump

You have a lot to learn about answering questions. Such as, how to do it. I didn't say you "needed" proof of anything. But if you had proof on Gregg Valentino's health, I'd be interested in seeing it. You seem to try and make yourself out to be so knowledgable on writing, so I'd be interested in seeing your published works. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by musclepump

You meant, "there is..." and I'll let you be the first to buy a copy when it comes out.

I'd love to see a dozen guys with arms that big

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Their: of or relating to them or themselves.

Sorry MP but you need to brush up on your grammar....I know I need to as well.

Originally Posted by musclepump

You said, "their is no publisher," which would then make the correct variation "there." You're not directly referring to the publisher right after the word, so it's not personal, therefore not, "their."

You're right Foreman, you need to brush up on your grammar

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Do you work for Fox News???
What I said was " I see their is no publisher."


Nice try, better luck next time.

Originally Posted by musclepump

Go google the term, "there is no publisher." You get 573 English page returns. Google "their is no publisher" and you get none. But what you DO get, is:

Did you mean: "there is no publisher"

So, again, work on that grammar my friend

Originally Posted by musclepump

But he hasn't shown any side effects to what he did. Despite the dosages he used, which are outlined in my book, he never had gyno, testicle shrinkage,etc... And I don't think he's done synthol, IMHO.

Originally Posted by P-funk

What exactly is your book about? I remeber you were looking for contact info for Tom Prince as well. Is it just a collection of interviews with Pro Bodybuilders?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Don't have the time to spell check or grammar check peoples writing with a computer.

If thats the best you have then I feel sorry for you.

Look at your posts in this thread, many are riddled with grammatical errors. To attack someone on non related subjects is an admittance that your argument is weak.

Originally Posted by musclepump

I love how you avoid all the factual stuff

Due out Spring of 2006, contract is already signed and I've already cashed the advance check. I love that part best.

Originally Posted by topolo

Congrats musclepump.....I look forward to reading it.

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

topolo, it's not a new edition of "Bovine Karmasutra" so you won't enjoy it.

Originally Posted by musclepump

Time, if your 3,300+ posts in a couple of months says anything, is something you have a whole lot, my friend.

And who is a racist? I love all people. Hell, I like Foreman, that must make me a saint or something

Originally Posted by musclepump

Let this be notice to all the people who talk shit about him and don't know him: You're fucking wrong, and you're a fucking idiot!

Originally Posted by musclepump

And I don't think he's done synthol, IMHO.

Originally Posted by 19inchpump

Dudes a loser, give it up.You couldnt pay me to look like that idiot. Everytime I see this guy pop up I laugh, then I think how he gives people the wrong idea about bodybuilding, and I will also have to call bullshit on 18 inch arms at 145 lbs. whatever, he needs to just go away already...shit.

Originally Posted by topolo

we're not

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

If you weren't interested then why did you post. Get a life. I believe after reading the article that this fool is a meathead. Your right 18" at 145. Pat is "S" bad for you?

PT

Originally Posted by topolo

ok post whore

Originally Posted by topolo

ok post whore

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

It takes all my time to make all those stupid posts
You did make a racist comment about Mexicans on Thougs thread.....maybe it was just joking around?
And you have to expect me to give you some crap........You seem to love to take potshots at me ............its all good, just having some fun messing with you.

And I believe you were correct on the grammar , I looked it up...........oops.

PS. Greg is lying about his health IMO...........I believe he will be dead by 50 or so.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

You must know him real well. You interviewed him once.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Keep going guys this is getting interesting. Can someone point out how much gear this guy was doing a week?......Then maybe I can up my dosage a little! Now no shots at me as my post is all in fun....MP and Dr. E.....Never get between you two. See you in a few weeks T

Originally Posted by musclepump

Yeah, the Mexican comment was a joke. I just like reminding Tough he lives in Mexico... obviously he knows that, I've just never known anyone else that has moved to Mexico (other than the major resort areas) by choice

Thanks for your admission of guilt on the grammar I knew you would take joy in it......I love to help people feel good.

He may be lying. I'm not sure, but I don't necessarily call people liars. If he says he's healthy, I hope he is. If he isn't, well, then hopefully wishful thinking and the power of the mind will help him keep breathing for a couple extra days.

And Foreman, of course I give you crap. You're a much better sport about it than most people on this board. It's definitely all in good fun

Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, I agree.

On a side note, if the book is truely about dispelling misconcpetions about steroids I would highly suggest you don't put a picture of Greg in there. He looks like a joke. I can't read an interview with that guy and listen to him talk about not taking synthol and look at a picture of him. The guy is so full of shit. That is like Ronnie Coleman telling you he doesn't use steroids. Give me a break! Why get these guys in a on a book like this anyway? Why not get educated doctors, endocrinologist or sports medecine doctors to talk about it? I mean in all honesty, the reason that there are so many misconceptions about steroids is because these guys go overboard so much and people end up thinking that that is what happens when you take steroids.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

I'm not a post whore bitch but a male whore. I fuck the good ones (women) and leave all the rest (men) to you. Hey tadpole, you still believe that if man eats the hole, they eat the pole? There's a real fagot for you.

Originally Posted by topolo

You are obviously highly educated.........

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Yes it is.

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

They add words to the dictionary.

Originally Posted by musclepump

I love how the world is starting to conform to normality rather than trying to pretend it's above everyone

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Education...........................the stupidest people I ever met in my entire life were at college.





On a side not does anyone know if " stupidest" is a real word?

Originally Posted by topolo

Did they spell faggot with one g like him?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

They took allot of drugs

Originally Posted by musclepump

a lot

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I think that greg had a very nice body in his 20's. Now he looks like SHIT....he is a freaky looking person. He is probably a very nice guy and would be a blast to kick it with, but his body just ain't right people. Looking at his older pictures with a normal body, and now with the shitty body I can't help but agree that he did a LOT of site injection with very high volume to get like that. His arms/shoulders are gross and odd shaped and lumpy. If you look at one arm and then the other they are not even shaped close to the same. It looks like a cantaloupe is hanging off his tris.....if there was gear in the oil or not doesn't matter, but what does is those arms did not come from lifting while on gear.

Originally Posted by musclepump

Since I'm not including this in the book, I can say he does admit to doing a lot of site injection, but not with synthol. Not that it's a big secret, but putting a few grams in there would stretch the fascia pretty good, I would think.

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I think you should include it as it shows what excessive site injections can do. I know Greg admitted to doing site injections with prop and other tests. He said he was doing up to as high as 9 grams of test in a weeks time. Assuming that is prop at 100mg/ml that would be 90ml of oil in a weeks time between all the muscles in his arms and shoulders. That my friend is STUPID! Lets just be conservative at 3 grams of prop in a week and thats still 30ml per week of oil...do that for 5 years and you too could look like Greg. What I am getting at is his muscles are not normal, nor do they look right. They just look big and messed up.

IMO I don't think Greg belongs in a book about steroids not being as bad as everyone thinks they are...or the media says they are. He is a perfect example of what abuse can do. Even assuming he isn't in bad health what he has done to himself is self mutilation IMO.

Originally Posted by musclepump

Again, he isn't in there for his health, nor to talk about how steroids aren't as bad as the media portrays. He's being included because he's the one "known" person that will talk about what has happened to him and the legal troubles involved in the business at hand. It isn't as simple as a lot of people think, not when you're in as deep as he was. But still, he was dealing in performance enhancers and he was bent over as bad or worse than a crack dealer. Should it be? I don't think so, personally. Each reader will be able to make their own opinion more clearly on the legality of such substances as compared to other more vicious drugs.

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I thought the book was about the media hype over playing the dangers of steroid use. If its to decriminalize the drugs then Greg might have something to add since he was busted. I think steroids should be the least of our worries. I feel dope and crack play much larger rolls in the problems we have.

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I thought the book was about the media hype over playing the dangers of steroid use. If its to decriminalize the drugs then Greg might have something to add since he was busted. I think steroids should be the least of our worries. I feel dope and crack play much larger rolls in the problems we have.

Originally Posted by topolo

Did they spell faggot with one g like him?

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

trying to learn spanish

Tough

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Alcohol and tobacco kill literally 99x more people every year that crak and dope.

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I agree with you on that. We all know that isn't going to change since the government is making such a killing on taxes. Why not just legalize everything and tax the shit out of it...the government wouldn't have to spend like 90 billion dollars a year trying to control drug trafficking. They need invest that money in better education etc..

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Let me guess That the correct spelling missing the g by all means that a person is not highly educated. Did I miss it cause I didn't how to spell it or did I miss it cause of error. I just type and don't go over my typing. I also don't use spell check. Here I'll correct the spelling for you. Your a FAGGOT

I do notice a lot lately that because of trying to learn spanish here in Mexico that i do sometimes have difficulties with english spelling anymore. I guess should the day come that I forget how to spell Dog or Cat that it's time to move back to the states.

Tough

Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

I agree with you on that. We all know that isn't going to change since the government is making such a killing on taxes. Why not just legalize everything and tax the shit out of it...the government wouldn't have to spend like 90 billion dollars a year trying to control drug trafficking. They need invest that money in better education etc..

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

We exchanged a few emails, he's okay, I just wish he would admit to the synthol bloated arms.

Originally Posted by topolo

I think you meant "you're" a faggot......let me know when you get your ged homo.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

What is a ged? Is it the same thing as a GED?

Originally Posted by HANK-VISSER

i am sorry for saying this but; GREG VALENTINO is a disgrace for the sport bodybuilding!!

look at him

Originally Posted by SJ69

Why not legalize legalize juice and
NOT tax the shyt out of it???

Originally Posted by THEUNIT(XXL)

how seriously do you think your book will look when your reason for writing it is the truth and then you have Valentino talking about how he NOT used SYNTOL?! come on man, catch up.
And Hank, yeah, he is also dissed by flex and muscle and fitness, and all other magazines, even though he is suppost to have the biggest armes and shit.

Originally Posted by musclepump

I suppose I need to say it again... there is not one portion of my book that has anything to do with whether Gregg used synthol or not. He's in there because of his legal history with steroids. That's it.

Originally Posted by HANK-VISSER

Originally Posted by topolo

I think you meant "you're" a faggot......let me know when you get your GED homo.

Originally Posted by musclepump

Again, he isn't in there for his health, nor to talk about how steroids aren't as bad as the media portrays. He's being included because he's the one "known" person that will talk about what has happened to him and the legal troubles involved in the business at hand. It isn't as simple as a lot of people think, not when you're in as deep as he was. But still, he was dealing in performance enhancers and he was bent over as bad or worse than a crack dealer. Should it be? I don't think so, personally. Each reader will be able to make their own opinion more clearly on the legality of such substances as compared to other more vicious drugs.