Back day, deadlifts and rows work traps hard, tell me one shoudler exercise that works them like that?
Thats why i train them with back beacuse they are much more related to back then delts.

of the top of my head:
lat raises
upright row
behind neck press
military press
arnolds
rear delt rows

it would be harder to find a shoulder exercise that doesn't work the traps!

Reverse grip pull downs work your grip too you know !!!.... but deadlifts work them much harder, thats just off the top of my head

So does that mean forearms are directly realted to triceps, well no, same with delts and traps, while traps do get a bit of stimulation on delt day it is NO WAY near the amount of work they get on back day doing deadlifts and rows, therefore traps are more related to back work then delt work.

So logic would say work them with back.

do you really think the feeble weights you would use on a lateral raise and upright rows would stimulate them that much?

The lateral raises and upright rows give very limited trap stimulation because of the weaker muscle that fail much before the traps (i.e. delts and biceps for upright rows).

On rows and deadlifts you can lift much more and give your traps a more true workout as it is a much closer weight to what they can lift on thier own (i.e shrugs).

as it is a much closer weight to what they can lift on thier own (i.e shrugs).

I don't use feeble weights like you, therefore my traps do get worked. then I finish them of with shrugs!



TAKE YOUR BULLSHIT OPINOIN SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!




Your logic is retarded. yes you can lift more on rows and DL's. THATS BECAUSE THEY ARE COMPOUND MOVEMENTS AND USE ALL THE MUSCLES IN YOUR BACK!!.



wtf does that even mean.

I have never heard so opinoinated bullshit before in my life!!

upright rows give very limited trap stimulation because of the weaker muscle that fail much before the traps
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Back day, deadlifts and rows work traps hard, tell me one shoudler exercise that works them like that?

this got real serious...

Dumbbell or military press, upright rows and lateral raises hit the traps hard.

Not as hard as deadlift and rows...........yawn

Not as hard as deadlift and rows...........yawn

Nah any shoulder press, lateral raise or whatever does not work the traps as hard as deadlifts or rows.

Foreman tell me how much you can shrug at the moment

I really cant say I do upright rows for traps not shrugs.
We just have to agree to disagree.

Ok well I know people that can shrug 500lbs, a shrug does isolate the traps, so it is a true test of strenght for them, they are a very stong muscle. I agree 100%

The same guy can upright row 160lbs and larteral raise 35`s, you think his traps fail while doing upright rows this very stong muscle that when isolated can shrug 500lbs when he cant do another rep on the upright rows? or is it his much weaker bicpes or delts that fail as when isolated stand like a fagot next to his traps in strenght terms.

The guy can also deallift over 500lbs, now isnt that much closer to the traps actuall isolated strenght, and row over 300lbs same again.

I do not doubt you can feel the traps work from upright rows, if i do 20lb leg extension and if i really concentrated i could feel my quad working too, shit i can do that with no weight ! does that mean its doing much.

But hey the the traps are near the delts arnt they "man thought they were same thing wrote it down on stone people follow it long time" You should just say no to drugs

Try some cleans or power cleans. Those will tear your traps a new one. Nothing else ever makes my traps really sore, although I have never taken shrugs to the point I have taken my other lifts performed HIT style.

^^Thanks.


If you've ever watched the deleted scenes from S.W.A.T that's where I got it from.


Thanks for all your input in this guys.


J