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Posted by: tannywild

Peanut butter (natural, no salt, just peanuts), and 1 whole banana on wheat bread.

Freaking awesome.

I eat like 2 a day now, usually with a glass of skim milk. This okay to add as a nice protein meal, meat for every meal gets annoying!


Posted by: CowPimp

Unfortunately PB is not a complete protein source. It makes a great snack, but there are better protein choices. I would just dump a scoop of whey in your milk and call it a meal.


Posted by: Smoo_lord

I think that mixing up your diet is essential into maintaining a happy lifestyle.

We all want to feel healthy and look good, as members of this website, yet you must be enjoying what you are doing. It will be much more productive..

the PB and bannana combo sounds great. If you are happy with the results then dont stop!


Posted by: furion joe

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
I would just dump a scoop of whey in your milk...



P.S. I think pb and ban sandwiches were a favorite and staple of Elvis Presley's diet.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Peanut butter (natural, no salt, just peanuts), and 1 whole banana on wheat bread........real food is 100x better than a scoup of whey....just find out what to add to that meal to make it a complete protein.....variety is the spice of life, and I get sick of whey, meat and eggs all day also.


Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Peanut butter (natural, no salt, just peanuts), and 1 whole banana on wheat bread........real food is 100x better than a scoup of whey....just find out what to add to that meal to make it a complete protein.....variety is the spice of life, and I get sick of whey, meat and eggs all day also.
Yeah, I just meant in addition to the items he had listed, he should dump a scoop of whey in his milk. The meal is lacking a large source of complete protein. Milk is a complete source, but it only has 8-9 grams in a cup.


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Yeah, I just meant in addition to the items he had listed, he should dump a scoop of whey in his milk. The meal is lacking a large source of complete protein. Milk is a complete source, but it only has 8-9 grams in a cup.
Tharts my breckfast every day....12 oz milk, 1 scoup muscle milk and 1 scoup whey....prot:51, carb:24, fat:12.


Posted by: myCATpowerlifts

So where do you go to find out what food to add to PB to make it complete?


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts
So where do you go to find out what food to add to PB to make it complete?
Emma would know, I usto have books about that stuff. Any book store should have nutrition books for vegetarians that break down what you need to eat for complete protein.


Posted by: ReelBigFish

Combine Legumes(peanuts, beans) w/ grains or nuts to make them complete.


Posted by: Emma-Leigh

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Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts
So where do you go to find out what food to add to PB to make it complete?
In all honestly - this type of food combining is food quackery.

Going into this type of detail is really not neccessary for anyone who is not on a very restricted dietary intake where they are not getting enough complete sources of protein (such as animal sources or soy) in addition to only having limited access to the other protein sources (such as legumes, grains, nuts, avocado etc etc).

Plus, the 'incomplete' proteins are not necessarily 'incomplete' - they do have all the amino acids, it is just that the levels of some of the indespensable amino acids may be at low levels.

So, if you are getting at least some complete protein in the meal (eg: a glass of milk) in addition to the incomplete source from the nuts then, unless your next move is to go out and do a rediculously large volume workout or an endurance cardio session, then you are going to be getting more than enough amino acids to tie you over until your next meal.


Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh
In all honestly - this type of food combining is food quackery.

Going into this type of detail is really not neccessary for anyone who is not on a very restricted dietary intake where they are not getting enough complete sources of protein (such as animal sources or soy) in addition to only having limited access to the other protein sources (such as legumes, grains, nuts, avocado etc etc).

Plus, the 'incomplete' proteins are not necessarily 'incomplete' - they do have all the amino acids, it is just that the levels of some of the indespensable amino acids may be at low levels.

So, if you are getting at least some complete protein in the meal (eg: a glass of milk) in addition to the incomplete source from the nuts then, unless your next move is to go out and do a rediculously large volume workout or an endurance cardio session, then you are going to be getting more than enough amino acids to tie you over until your next meal.
You're probably right. I'm just a stickler about getting a lot of complete protein sources at each meal and snack.


Posted by: hawk05

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Originally Posted by tannywild
Peanut butter (natural, no salt, just peanuts), and 1 whole banana on wheat bread.

Freaking awesome.

I eat like 2 a day now, usually with a glass of skim milk. This okay to add as a nice protein meal, meat for every meal gets annoying!
Cool, been eating this since I was like 5 years old. Sometimes theres nothing I crave more than a PB and banana sandwich.


Posted by: furion joe

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Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh
So, if you are getting at least some complete protein in the meal (eg: a glass of milk) in addition to the incomplete source from the nuts then, unless your next move is to go out and do a rediculously large volume workout or an endurance cardio session, then you are going to be getting more than enough amino acids to tie you over until your next meal.
That's true, but at the same time, I would want a complete protein source with a higher concentration of amino acids, in particular branched chained amino acids (not sure how much in nat pb) since the thermogenic effect is going to rob me of some amino acids. An added benefit for adding whey (BCAA's) to the meal.

You know how knuckle draggin', shirt rippin', overgrown mass monsters can be.


Posted by: furion joe

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
I'm just a stickler about getting a lot of complete protein sources at each meal and snack.
Sounds familiar...




Posted by: calalily1972

I tend to believe that you should strive for complete proteins. In end of the day you are more than likely going to make those proteins complete, however, at that moment in time it does become a poor protein choice and the BV vaule is not as high as what it could be if you make a protein complete.

This may help http://www.2-fit.com/miscellaneous/proteindif.html


Posted by: Cowbell

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Originally Posted by furion joe



P.S. I think pb and ban sandwiches were a favorite and staple of Elvis Presley's diet.
Yes, but he fried his like grilled cheese


Posted by: Emma-Leigh

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Originally Posted by furion joe
That's true, but at the same time, I would want a complete protein source with a higher concentration of amino acids, in particular branched chained amino acids (not sure how much in nat pb) since the thermogenic effect is going to rob me of some amino acids. An added benefit for adding whey (BCAA's) to the meal.
What is wrong with milk as a source of amino acids? If you think about it, it is the sole source of amino acids for one of the most important growth stages in every mammals life... It serves them perfectly welll... Milk is also an excellent source of BCAAs - where do you think they get whey from

Also - the rate at which your body is going to be utilising amino acids specifically for anabolism of muscle is far, far less than the intakes we are talking about. Somebody on a non-stupid diet (ie: not doing severe calorie restriction) is going to be able to maintain a positive nitrogen balance on much lower intakes. On top of this, weight lifting improves your ability to retain nitrogen as well (so, technically speaking it decreases your requirements)...

It is like filling a bucket with a very small hole in the bottom - you can keep pouring the water into the top - but the rate at which it is being drained out the bottom is not going to get any bigger as a result, and all that happens is the water spills over the top and is wasted.

Also - it is the total protein intake over the day that is going to be far more significant that that which is in one meal. And as long as there is some protein in each meal you are going to be fine. A meal (other than something very simple such as whey + dextrose) is going to stay to be processed in your intestines for quiet a few hours (depending on what you are eating, what else is in your intestines etc etc) - so the amino acids being released into your blood is not going to stop with in 20 minutes of ingestion rendering you in a catabolic state. You also have intra-muscular amino acid pools available to use if need be.


Posted by: furion joe

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Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh
What is wrong with milk as a source of amino acids? If you think about it, it is the sole source of amino acids for one of the most important growth stages in every mammals life... It serves them perfectly welll... Milk is also an excellent source of BCAAs - where do you think they get whey from

- Alright, I'm going to let that one slide...

Also - the rate at which your body is going to be utilising amino acids specifically for anabolism of muscle is far, far less than the intakes we are talking about. Somebody on a non-stupid diet (ie: not doing severe calorie restriction) is going to be able to maintain a positive nitrogen balance on much lower intakes. On top of this, weight lifting improves your ability to retain nitrogen as well (so, technically speaking it decreases your requirements)...

It is like filling a bucket with a very small hole in the bottom - you can keep pouring the water into the top - but the rate at which it is being drained out the bottom is not going to get any bigger as a result, and all that happens is the water spills over the top and is wasted.

Also - it is the total protein intake over the day that is going to be far more significant that that which is in one meal. And as long as there is some protein in each meal you are going to be fine. A meal (other than something very simple such as whey + dextrose) is going to stay to be processed in your intestines for quiet a few hours (depending on what you are eating, what else is in your intestines etc etc) - so the amino acids being released into your blood is not going to stop with in 20 minutes of ingestion rendering you in a catabolic state. You also have intra-muscular amino acid pools available to use if need be.
I hear ya...sounds about right. Another slant though on the topic:

Nothing is wrong with milk; in fact I’m a big believer in using milk. It’s highly anabolic and is a good source of quality protein. However the concentration of amino acids in one 8 oz glass of milk is not nearly enough (IMHO) to be considered an adequate, sole source of complete protein at any one meal. In the case of the original poster, he is ingesting a measly 8-9 grams of complete protein for that one cup of milk. I too thought he would be better off adding a scoop of whey (or even a blend now that I think of it), which would yield an additional 18-22 grams of high quality protein (depending on the brand) that would boost the total amount of protein ingested at that meal.

The digestibility and concentration of the overall amino acid profile (of the meal) would be far superior to that of the single glass of milk and the combination of (pb and whole wheat bread) as a complete protein. I feel that the incomplete protein combination is still inferior to a complete protein source (as a whole unit) that includes all of the essential amino acids. When I see pb, I see a fat source, when I see bread, I see a carbohydrate source, I never look at those items as a source of protein. Incomplete proteins can be and should be included in the overall protein intake but only after the complete sources have taken care of lean mass requirements, IMHO.

One of the potential problems of not consuming a higher amount of protein at such a meal is the thermogenic effect. It’s going to use energy to break down the protein, resulting in reduced input and absorption of amino acids, thereby negating the proposed notion that the body will use all the protein consumed in the meal (even in the individual who is considered to be in positive nitrogen balance).

I do like the bucket analogy, it paints a good picture, and I would just want that bucket to be full of complete proteins (from complete sources) that are going to bathe my muscles (and system as a whole) for the next 2 ½ - 4 hours until my next meal.

Total protein intake for the day is an important factor, yet not at the expense of systematically spreading out that intake evenly throughout the day. In bodybuilding terms, the whole here is not, I believe, to be greater than the sum of the parts. Protein is one of those macronutrients that can’t be stored in the body (in great amounts) and needs to be replenished frequently so that muscles can grow and recover from the rigors and demands of weight training, in addition to the maintenance of muscle mass and other bodily needs.

If the original poster wants to use the meal he posted once or twice a day, that is fine and he should do that if it produces the desired result. In general, I think it’s important to keep protein intake up at each meal throughout the day, all day, everyday to ensure that the trainee is making significant progress to reach his or her goals.


Posted by: furion joe

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Originally Posted by Cowbell
Yes, but he fried his like grilled cheese
Hmmmm, I didn't know that, tempting I must say, perhaps for a cheat meal?







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