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Posted by: CRASHMAN

I'm thinking about coming to the dark side.....thinking.

1-8: Test E
1-3or4: kick start with Prop
4-8: anavar (worried about collagen synthesis or should I?)

1mg finasteride ED for a month before starting and 2mg finasteride ed during and 1mg during pct (yeah i have male pattern baldness)
2.5 letro ed? (I'm sensitive to estrogen plus I'm taking the Fina)
20 nolva ED (ya, paranoid too)
t3 - a build up and taper off for increased protein synthesis
Normal pct, and some thyroid support as well

anything I'm missing? what do you think for a first timer?
I heard some people chatting that a person wouldn't need HCG during an 8 weeker

Posted by: LAM

500 mg test enanthate for 10 weeks, nice and simple.

Posted by: CRASHMAN

feels a little empty lol but its what i was thinkin at first. what about the auxillary meds like the letro, fina, nolva, hcg

Posted by: LAM

nolva on hand of course in case of gyno and/or excessive bloating. you can surely use HCG on cycle or just the last 2-3 weeks

Posted by: Tha Don

letro at 0.5mg EOD would be a good idea if you are sensitive to bloat and gyno (2.5mg ED is way too high of a dose for letro), also proviron would be a nice addition if you can get your hands on it, i plan to run the letro (0.5mg EOD) and prov. (25mg ED) on my next cycle, but that is only because i had BP and gyno issues on my first cycle

if i had to chose 1 it would be the proviron, as it will improve gains from the test, help with labido and won't be so harsh on your joints and lipids, but letro would probably be better for BP and easier on the skin, so you need to weigh up the pros/cons of both for yourself, personally by running a low dose of both i hope to reap some benefits from both with minimal sides

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by LAM

500 mg test enanthate for 10 weeks, nice and simple.

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Originally Posted by LAM

nolva on hand of course in case of gyno and/or excessive bloating. you can surely use HCG on cycle or just the last 2-3 weeks

you could use hawthorn berry for BP. stay away from the proviron if you are concerned with your hairline. being a DHT derivative, it might increase your odds of MPB. this is from a profile i have for it: "Typical androgenic side effects include oily skin, acne, body/facial hair growth and exacerbation of a male pattern baldness condition, and may occur even with the use of a moderate dosage. With the strong effect DHT has on the reproductive system, androgenic actions may also include an extreme heightening of male libido."

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

"androgenic actions may also include an extreme heightening of male libido."

haha, now thats what i'm talkin bout!

Posted by: 19-chief

shit, good old testosterone gets me all randy as it is!!! this enanthate hit me after the second shot!

sorry HotMom!!! i didn't notice much difference with the M5AA although it is a DHT derivative.

Posted by: musclepump

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Originally Posted by LAM

500 mg test enanthate for 10 weeks, nice and simple.

Ditto. Nolva on hand and you're set to rock.

Posted by: swede3333

Edited for stupidity

Posted by: CRASHMAN

so other than the constant pinning is there anything wrong me using prop? i dunno it feels like im wasting 3 weeks. I may only do a 8 week cycle to time it with a cut cycle for summer. so im only really getting 4 or 5 weeks out of it waiting for Test E kick in

could i either front load Test E or maybe kick start it with some prop or would this not suggested for a newbie?

Posted by: Tha Don

kickstarting with the prop is fine, and IMO better than a double-dose frontload or oral kickstart, people just use the latter approcaches because they are less hassle

Posted by: Pirate!

An oral jumpstart with dbol or tbol would be better than using prop on your first cycle. Some people get worse sides from prop, like the so called test flu. As previously stated, Test E, HCG, and Nolva are all you need.

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

An oral jumpstart with dbol or tbol would be better than using prop on your first cycle. Some people get worse sides from prop, like the so called test flu.

then take a vitamin C supplement

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by CRASHMAN

so other than the constant pinning is there anything wrong me using prop? i dunno it feels like im wasting 3 weeks. I may only do a 8 week cycle to time it with a cut cycle for summer. so im only really getting 4 or 5 weeks out of it waiting for Test E kick in

could i either front load Test E or maybe kick start it with some prop or would this not suggested for a newbie?

not really dude. with a long ester like enanthate , the ride will last through PCT. 8 weeks of enanthate will do you right.

Posted by: TJ Cline

1. 8 weeks test E or C (250mg 2x a week)
2. 10mg Nolva ED....have extra on hand if you need it and also have some letro if needed.
3. PCT

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