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Posted by: Stewart14

are your quads and hamstrings supposed to be a 1:1 strength ratio or are the quads supposed to be stronger?

What are the BEST exercises to bring up hamstring strength? Right now at my gym I do not have access to a glute/ham raise machine or a reverse hyper machine, so I am looking at lying leg curls and the usual stiff leg deads and good mornings. Out of the good mornings and stiff leg deads, which one of those is the better choice for hamstring strength and less wear and tear on the lower back?

thanks



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

If you're going for strength, I'd definitely recommend SLDLs. I can hardly get any weight on the bar with GMs because the bar rolls onto the back of my head (not very pleasant). Both of them use the back as a dynamic stabilizer, at the very least. Why not work your lower back with deadlifts anyways, or would it conflict with your lower back workout?



Posted by: nikegurl

i believe your hamstrings are actually suppossed to be stronger than your quads.



Posted by: ALBOB

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Originally Posted by nikegurl
i believe your hamstrings are actually suppossed to be stronger than your quads.
I think it's the other way around.

Hamstrings = Biceps (Bend the knee = bend the elbow)
Quads = Triceps (Straighten the knee = straighten the elbow)

Triceps are bigger and stronger than Biceps in your arms, therefore the same would be true in your legs.



Posted by: FishOrCutBait

Yup. And have you ever noticed how similar your forearms and calves are?? I was sitting around this summer, tripping out about that. Theres even that little diamond thingy...



Posted by: ALBOB

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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
Theres even that little diamond thingy...
An engagement ring? Sorry, my wife holds on to that.



Posted by: FishOrCutBait

lol, you know what I mean...



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
If you're going for strength, I'd definitely recommend SLDLs. I can hardly get any weight on the bar with GMs because the bar rolls onto the back of my head (not very pleasant). Both of them use the back as a dynamic stabilizer, at the very least. Why not work your lower back with deadlifts anyways, or would it conflict with your lower back workout?
You're putting the bar in the wrong place when you do GMs. The bar should rest on your rear delts like a PL squat, not on your traps like during an olympic squat.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by ALBOB
I think it's the other way around.

Hamstrings = Biceps (Bend the knee = bend the elbow)
Quads = Triceps (Straighten the knee = straighten the elbow)

Triceps are bigger and stronger than Biceps in your arms, therefore the same would be true in your legs.
The difference is that your hamstrings are also hip extensors. I'm not sure what the strength ratio is supposed to be, but I'm just saying that your example doesn't really apply.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
You're putting the bar in the wrong place when you do GMs. The bar should rest on your rear delts like a PL squat, not on your traps like during an olympic squat.
It's very likely I was doing them wrong; the last time I tried had to be at least six months ago (probably more) and I didn't know the proper bar placement of a squat then.



Posted by: nikegurl

you don't hear of quad tears / injuries in sports nearly as often as hamstring tears.

most people have a signficant strength imbalance (quads overpowering hamstrings)

i did a bit of reading and apparently it's "recommended" that your hamstrings should be at LEAST 80% as strong as your quads but that isn't the ideal - just the minimum to avoid injury during sports.

maybe the number thing isn't the point so much as the fact that any strength imbalance can cause injury and the quad/hamstring one is a common problem.



Posted by: Stewart14

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
If you're going for strength, I'd definitely recommend SLDLs. I can hardly get any weight on the bar with GMs because the bar rolls onto the back of my head (not very pleasant). Both of them use the back as a dynamic stabilizer, at the very least. Why not work your lower back with deadlifts anyways, or would it conflict with your lower back workout?
i do have deadlifts in my program, however, I pull sumo style, and the majority of the stress feels like it's in my inner thighs and back, not so much in the hamstrings, although I am sure they ARE being worked. I would love to do SLDLs which I am currently doing, but I think I have flexibilty issues so my lower back gets quite a workout from them, moreso than my hamstrings. the only hamstring exercise I am really strong on is hamstring curls, but I know the hams perform the curling motion, but also hip bending, so I want to do a sldl/gm type movement.

same problem with the gm's here too, my neck kills after the bar rolls onto it.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Stewart20
same problem with the gm's here too, my neck kills after the bar rolls onto it.
Just arch your back up real and place the bar on your rear delts. It feels weird placing the bar so far down your back, but trust me, it works.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by Stewart20
i do have deadlifts in my program, however, I pull sumo style, and the majority of the stress feels like it's in my inner thighs and back, not so much in the hamstrings, although I am sure they ARE being worked. I would love to do SLDLs which I am currently doing, but I think I have flexibilty issues so my lower back gets quite a workout from them, moreso than my hamstrings. the only hamstring exercise I am really strong on is hamstring curls, but I know the hams perform the curling motion, but also hip bending, so I want to do a sldl/gm type movement.

same problem with the gm's here too, my neck kills after the bar rolls onto it.
There are some easy daily stretches you can do for the hamstrings if flexibility is the issue. I know what you mean because I used to get more of a lower back soreness than hamstring, but all I had to do was slightly adjust my form. Make sure yours is perfect because it seems as though with this exercise even one minor change can affect you greatly. A big mistake people make is to keep the legs straight and to round the back. I'm not saying that you're doing this, but just keep in mind what the correct form really is because it's easy to forget the small things.








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