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Posted by: TJ Cline

Ok I'm here every day reading all this steroid cycle advise people are giving out. Now many of the people have read a few books but only personally gassed up once or twice sometimes never, then you have the guys who have done dozens of cycles and have little book smarts when it comes to steroids and their chemical breakdown...ect.

This thread is not to say who is right and who is wrong, its only purpose is for me and anyone else to post the cycles they have done and what they learned from them.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Bacic cycle #1. I did this one at least a dozen times.
Week 1-8 400mg Test E or Cyp....one shot a week
Made great gains off this cycle, no side effects, lost fat and gained muscle.

Cycle #2.
week 1-8 600mg Test once a week.....same as the first cycle but some noticable better gains...and still no side effects noticed.

Posted by: Pirate!

My first was Sustanon 250 mg E3D for 9 weeks and Dbol 25 mg/day for weeks 1-4.

Almost 4 months after my last shot, I still had 4 digit blood T levels. Test Deconate lingers way too long, and should be kept for the first part of a long (20+ weeks) cycle, IMO.

Second cycle was prop/npp/dbol/proviron then transitioned into prop/tren ace.
Lessons:
Proviron is a must on nandrolone.
Cabergoline helps but doesn't prevent decreased libido while on nandrolone.
Prop/tren/proviron makes you want to fuck everything that moves.
Short esters aren't as good for bulking as long esters are, but they are sure great for adjusting your dose mid-cycle and having a direct transition into pct, without the grey area time of long esters...

Posted by: TJ Cline

Now some crazy cycles...

Cycle #3, did this one 8 weeks after a 600mg 8 week test only cycle.
1-12 1500mg test......week 1-7 1000mg test, week 8-12 1500mg test,
1-5 D-bol 50mg ED
1-10 Deca 600mg

This cycle provided no better gains than my past 600mg test cycles, it did however give me some nasty sides.....some gyno, swollen prostrate, acne, a very bad temper and some borderline liver problems.

Lesson learned: huge dose long cycles do not work better for me....
never did this stupid cycle again.

Posted by: TJ Cline

The deca only cycle:
I know a pro who told me he did 2000mg deca only cycles once in a while, usually followed by a 2000mg test only cycle......so I decided to try it.....

1-9 Deca 1200mg a week....thats it.

Great cycle, no sides at all, no deca dick. This cycle worked as well as a 600mg test cycle for me. I never ran HCG and never needed it.
But this cycle might not work as well for you, many dont like it so it depends on how your body responds.

Posted by: The Monkey Man

Posted by: TJ Cline

My best cycle....this one is weird......not planned, just changed it mid cycle.

1-6 Test E 600mg
1-6 D-bol 35mg
1-6 deca 600mg

....then I changed it.

7-10 400mg deca
7-10 400mg test E
7-10 76mg Tren 2X a week
9-10 Anadrol 50mg.....did it for only 10 days

Holy shit....My bench went up 50lbs plus......week 8 I was benching 365 for sets of 8, by week 10 it jumped to 405 for sets of 12...now thats a jump at the end of the cycle......I have had big jumps in the mid weeks (4-6) but never after that and never so big......the first day I noticed it I went to the gym to bench. I warmed up and then put on 385 for my 4 sets of 8....first set I was going and realized by 8 reps that this weight felt like 225, so I just kept going.....did 18 reps and could have done 20 if I decided to burn out. next set I put on 405 and did 12 reps, third set I did 405 for 10 reps and the last set I did 495 for 3 reps....

Lesson learned.....my body loves tren and Anadrol. and that every body has certain drugs or cycles the respond to better to.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Two week Testosterone Cyponate cycles.

I know everybody here thinks this is stupid......hell I did too, then I tried it.

1-2 300mg test cyp.....put on 11lbs of lean muscle, bench went up 30lbs
3-6 off
7-8 400mg test cyp.....put on anopther 7lb of lean muscle and bench went up 15 more lbs.

This was a cycle I did in 1998.....and was the first cycle I hade done since 1988....so like a first cycle really.

Lesson:
1.I think this is a ok cycle for a beginner...but only a beginner.
2.The long easter short cycle logic I read here is bull shit.

Posted by: Fishy

Can I ask...Whats the point of this?

Like u r giving eamples and really there is loads of stupid ppl who r going to follow, and every person works different, like maybe u like deca and it worked great for u, for others it might not.

Posted by: Stu

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Originally Posted by Fishy

Can I ask...Whats the point of this?

Like u r giving eamples and really there is loads of stupid ppl who r going to follow, and every person works different, like maybe u like deca and it worked great for u, for others it might not.

i think the point of this thread is so that people can pass on tips about different types of cycles

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by Fishy

no

point is not everything you read in a textbook will necessarily be true in real life situtaions.. "a drop of experience is worth more than a pint of advice"

very good thread, its interesting to hear peoples first-hand experiences with these drugs, rather than a whole bunch of know it alls telling you what "might" happen as if it is set in stone

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by Fishy

I see you failed to read post #1

Go back and read it, if you still dont understand then seek help.

Posted by: Tha Don

my first cycle was meant to be as follows...
wks 1-10: Test Enan 500mg/wk
wks 1-4: Dbol 30mg/ed

but it ended up being this... (as it turns out my test was fake, although i kept shooting it till the end of week 5)
wks 1-5: Dbol 30mg/ed

biggest lesson i learnt is how big the problem of fake gear is, it is EVERYWHERE, and that some of these fakes look so good that even reptuable sources can be selling them and be totally unaware of it!

another thing i learnt is that an on cycle AI (aromatize inhibator) is a MUST, even on the dbol alone my BP got right up to the boarder on the 'healthy range' and my face blew up like a blubba-fish, i also developed mild gyno towards the end of the cycle, which didn't fully clear until i dropped my BF% down

i also realised how easy it is to add fat PCT, and that PCT depression is for real!! despite looking great at 200lbs plus post cycle, having the bulked up shape i'd always wanted, and having everyone back home telling me how awesome i looked (i'd just hit the club every week for the compliments and to strut round like a muscle star), i was extremely unhappy with myself, i felt very fat and ugly and i wanted to die, so that really hit me hard

i also learned NEVER EVER cut right after PCT, if you do then the first thing to come off will be the muscle you've just added, then the fat! no matter how hard you train, how well you eat, how slowly you drop the cals... your body will burn the muscle and spare the fat, post AAS you are in too high of a catabolic state, i will never cut again off AAS (after this cut)

finally on a positive note i reacted great to the dbol, it put 2 stone on me (24lbs) in under 5 weeks! and this is only a little oral only cycle! truely amazing, i totally transformed, results were out of this world, and i also know that oral only cycles have a rep of being shit, so when i finally manage to get some legit E into my ass then its gonna be on!

D.

Posted by: Fishy

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I see you failed to read post #1

Go back and read it, if you still dont understand then seek help.

I read it, but my point is by doing so i guess will confise starters and make them dont know wht the fuck they doing by all these cycles... even so i will let us learn from others mistake!!!

Posted by: Tha Don

why would they copy our mistakes?

surely they will think... "oh he ran a superdose test cycle and got mega sides so i will be careful with my dosing!" or "he didn't run an AI and got bad BP, so i will make sure i run an AI"

i think this thread is very educational and will hopeful prevent some of the newer users falling flat on their faces

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by Fishy

Like u r giving eamples and really there is loads of stupid ppl who r going to follow, and every person works different, like maybe u like deca and it worked great for u, for others it might not.

There is no one cycle that is safe and great for everyone, that's why there is always a risk with anabolic use. You could take all the precautions in the world and know as much as there is to know about a 10 week test cycle, but that doesn't mean it's going to work great for you, or that your body will react well to exogenous hormones. Stupid or smart, no one can tell you how your body will react to steroids, that's something you learn on your own, but you can be as careful as possible by knowing about your medical history and the warning signs of side effects, and other things.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Almost 4 months after my last shot, I still had 4 digit blood T levels. Test Deconate lingers way too long, and should be kept for the first part of a long (20+ weeks) cycle, IMO.

another reason why I do not advocate the use of Sust 250, everyone forgets that it's made for HRT and is far from optimum for use in this sport.

Posted by: largepkg

Lam, do you feel that Sus will give less water retention?

Can anyone else give me their experience with Sustanon? I'm on the verge of purchasing my next cycle and was going to give it a shot.

Posted by: LAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by largepkg

Lam, do you feel that Sus will give less water retention?

Can anyone else give me their experience with Sustanon? I'm on the verge of purchasing my next cycle and was going to give it a shot.

I did not experience less bloating when I tried sust, so no I don't believe the hype.

Posted by: 19-chief

i'm the former and not the latter but from my only cycle and lots of reading, i have learned quite a bit.
1st AAS cycle:
1-4 30-60mg M5AA ED
1-12 275mg Test E E4D
1-11 200mg EQ E4D
like YD, i learned that post cycle crash is real. i swear it was like clockwork... as soon as pct was over it hit me... no appetite, no sex drive, no motivation to train or excel at work. i lost weight and strength real fast. hopefully, i'll be ready this time.

2nd and current AAS cycle:
1-12 250mg Test E E3.5D
1-12 300MG EQ E3.5D
10-14 100mg Masteron M/W/F (MAYBE)

i am a member of this board because i enjoy listening to, learning from, and providing assistance to others with respect to progressive resistance training.

oh and b/c a am a generally social being.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Ok I'm here every day reading all this steroid cycle advise people are giving out. Now many of the people have read a few books but only personally gassed up once or twice sometimes never, then you have the guys who have done dozens of cycles and have little book smarts when it comes to steroids and their chemical breakdown...ect.

This thread is not to say who is right and who is wrong, its only purpose is for me and anyone else to post the cycles they have done and what they learned from them.

Posted by: lnvanry

1st

50mg of dbol week 1-3
600mg of test E week 1-8
+33lbs

2nd and current

50mg of dbol week 1-2
800mg of test E week 1-8
150mg of test prop. week 8-11
150mg of tren act. week 8-11

Most of my info comes from a local pro that is a human pin cushion and will probably die before the age of 40...I get a substantial amount of info from here too. I always hear shit from him and confirm it here. It there is a contradiction, then I do some serious research

Posted by: durk

hey foreman speaking of mini cycles what do you think of four week on four week off mini cycles of test cyp? A pretty well known bodybuilder in my area told me if I did these I wouldnt need to pct or up the dossage because I would not be stressing my system for prolonged periods, he also said crashes wont be that bad. is any of this true?

Posted by: gococksDJS

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Originally Posted by durk

hey foreman speaking of mini cycles what do you think of four week on four week off mini cycles of test cyp? A pretty well known bodybuilder in my area told me if I did these I wouldnt need to pct or up the dossage because I would not be stressing my system for prolonged periods, he also said crashes wont be that bad. is any of this true?

If this is just for bodybuilding and not HRT or something, I don't see the point. Those are long esters, and you aren't on long enough for the elevated levels to stabilize in your bloodstream. You'll notice them about 3-5 days before you come off.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by durk

PM Tough Old Man....he is doing Dor crap training I think and I believe ( not shure) that it involves 4 week cycles

Anyway...I gained 11lbs in body weight and lost some fat at the same time...so maybe 15 lbs pure muscle off one 2 week cycle of 300mg test cyp.....
Started out at 215 and natural for 10 years.......so 215 to 226 and leaner.
Did one more 2 week cycle and got up to 231 or so....Then started doing 6 week cycles of test E and deca ( 6 weeks on 8 weeks off)..... jumped to 240 after that.....Finally I did heavy 8-10 week cycles and they got me up to 260.

So from personal experience I would say the short cycles worked great for me......and I think a 4-6 week cycle of long ester steroids will work great for most if not all first time users.

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

The long easter short cycle logic I read here is bull shit

FR,

Please expand on this, as I don't know the argument which you are refuting.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

FR,

Please expand on this, as I don't know the argument which you are refuting.

Its easy I have done 2 week cycles ( 2 weeks on 6 weeks off 2 weeks on) with Test Cyp and went from 215lbs to 231Lbs and my waist at 215 was 32...at 231 it was 31.25 ........so people can quote books and chemical breakdowns all day.........the real fact is they worked for me.

But that was after being natural for 10 years, and also once I got up to 231 the 2 week cycles didnt do shit anymore....

Posted by: Pirate!

Interesting. I didn't realize people did two week long ester cycles. Glad they worked for you.

Posted by: LAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Anyway...I gained 11lbs in body weight and lost some fat at the same time...so maybe 15 lbs pure muscle off one 2 week cycle of 300mg test cyp.....

are you sure about that, 2 lbs of LBM a day ? cancer cells don't even grow at that rate.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAM

are you sure about that, 2 lbs of LBM a day ? cancer cells don't even grow at that rate.

Didnt keep a journal of all the details so I have to go from memory....but I made all my gains in week 3 and 4....so after the cycle had technically ended. So that might equate to .75 lbs a day.

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