Originally Posted by BCC

I feel there are an abundance of better drugs out there.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I see no logical reason not to do it. It is clearly better than doing test alone.

Originally Posted by young d

such as...? (i'm only interested in anabolic injectibles)

Originally Posted by BCC

If you're after chasing weight on the scale and becoming a bloaty face roid head then test and deca will for sure do that. In my opinion most of the 'gains' folks see from deca are no more than some bloat.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The idea of using dangerous oral sateroids for low leval contests or just to be "big" is ludicrous and irresponsible. I see no reason to use any thing but test alone or Test stacked with Deac or EQ. When you get up to a very high level ( pro qualifier) then you can throw in Tren, Anavar, Anadrol, GH or other steroids if you like.

Originally Posted by young d

that is certainly not what i am after! i want lean hard gains, not big bulky watery ones! i don't like the bulky look at all

maybe primo would be a better choice for me?

after this cycle i am planning more of a cutter, test/masteron with an sdrol kickstart and a var rearload, but i need a solid base of mass first really don't i

Originally Posted by BCC

Because everybody uses anavar to be "big".

Originally Posted by BCC

I didn't recommend it. I said I would choose to run it over test and deca.

So what anavar have you used? Since you know it does almost nothing?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Well lets see, you just turned 20 right......so I would love to hear about all the intelligent cycles you have done over the years and what you have learned from them. Sorry kid but to take advise from a teenage steroid user is probably the funniest thing I have ever heard of.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Well lets see, you just turned 20 right......so I would love to hear about all the intelligent cycles you have done over the years and what you have learned from them.

Originally Posted by BCC

Well hey, I see you've "jumpstarted" a lot of cycles with dbol, is that because you're impatient and irresponsible?

Originally Posted by BCC

It's funny you say that, yet imply I'm a walking pharmacy. So if I'm the walking pharmacy you say I am, then surely I have more experience than you to share.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

hell yes I made some mistakes in how I cycled as you have also.

Originally Posted by BCC

You're right. And the most important thing that you did was learn from them as am I.

My first mistake was doing it too early. Do you want to know why? Honestly why I started so early?

Because it had nothing to do with not making gains or "wanting to be huge". It completely had to do with misperception (which in part can be attributed to a lack of maturity).

I was 17 going on 18. If you were going to get recognized you HAD (so I thought) to win the Teen Nationals. In my mind I believed that if I didn't make it big as a teenager that physiques like mine would become a dime a dozen and I would have no opportunities to succeed in my 20s. I felt like it was all or nothing before I hit 20. So I began getting my feet wet with AAS. My first cycles started off great until I realized didn't see myself the same. By the end of the second cycle I wouldn't go to the gym without long sleeve shirts and sweatpants and slowly realized "I look like shit". I was falling behind (or so I thought as body dysmorphia had struck me). So I took about 6 weeks off after that cycle bringing me about 5 months away from teen nationals. Now in my opinion I needed a complete overhaul, I was going to be turning 19 and it was my last crack at teen nationals.

So I started off on a ridiculous cycle, the most I've ever taken. I got bigger and bigger but couldn't even see it. I got to the point where I couldn't go to the gym for more than 10 minutes because I thought people thought I was small. This was the beginning of spiraling into a depression (I was inconsistent with my injections at the time, my blood levels of hormones were as inconsistent as possible and it was wreaking havoc on my moods) for the first time (I didn't know what it felt like to be depressed, only that something was wrong). So it was time to clean up and reconsider. (I thought I looked so bad I ended up not even competing in teen nationals.)

Fast forward a year.

I didn't have to win shit to get attention, and I wish I could have seen that back then. But at least I learned about every appreciable lesson I could have in that time period and I won't be making any of those mistakes again.


And as a final side note believe me, I always told myself I would wait until I was 21 to tough anabolics, but I just got the best of myself.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Good post........sorry for arguing with you, I'm glad we could both learn from our mistakes

I gassed up 4 or 5 months before my 21 B-day so I cant say for shure that I was old enough.....shit most of the guys I traind with gassed up at 18 or 19 so I think its verry common for people to make that mistake.

Originally Posted by young d

that is certainly not what i am after! i want lean hard gains, not big bulky watery ones! i don't like the bulky look at all (hence i'll be running the adex/prov)

maybe primo would be a better choice for me?

after this cycle i am planning more of a cutter, test/masteron with an sdrol kickstart and a var rearload, but i need a solid base of mass first really don't i

Originally Posted by BCC

Hey, you still missed the year I "fast-forwarded" through


That's one for the "cycle lessons" thread. My last cycle taught me EVERYTHING I needed to know. I looked the best I ever have, felt for the most part the best I ever have, and experienced everything you wouldn't want to happen and everything you would. I completely used myself as a human experiment in my last cycle and pushed the boundaries. So much that I had blood drawn every two weeks. I experienced incredible things with no drawbacks to my health. I did it once, but never like that again.

Originally Posted by young d

i've decided to leave the deca out this time round, i have a feeling test alone will be more than enough to get the gains i am after, i used to laugh at guys when i heard this, but for once in my life i don't actually want to get ''too big'', i've lost the desire to be a huge bulked up muscle hero, just want a good shape and very nicely cut up/detailed, a bit like Brad Pitt in Troy, he looks great and IMO his physique is not freakish or too OTT, i see it as been a 2 part transformation, this cycle i'll get the size and shape, the next cycle (a cutter) will give me the cuts/detail, then i'm going to try and get out the game while i still have my good health, thats just the way i'm feeling right now, thanks for the opinions guys!

Originally Posted by young d

i've decided to leave the deca out this time round, i have a feeling test alone will be more than enough to get the gains i am after, i used to laugh at guys when i heard this, but for once in my life i don't actually want to get ''too big'', i've lost the desire to be a huge bulked up muscle hero, just want a good shape and very nicely cut up/detailed, a bit like Brad Pitt in Troy, he looks great and IMO his physique is not freakish or too OTT, i see it as been a 2 part transformation, this cycle i'll get the size and shape, the next cycle (a cutter) will give me the cuts/detail, then i'm going to try and get out the game while i still have my good health, thats just the way i'm feeling right now, thanks for the opinions guys!

Originally Posted by gregster

Look like we are heading for similar goals. Saw Troy last week and Pitt looks every bit the Adonis.