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Posted by: Rich46yo

Sorry but those who consider it a personality disorder are wrong. I believe people are born with their sexuality and dont aquire it. Ive worked with many gay partners, in the gay community, and just dont accept any argument its "weird" or "different". People are simply born as they are, and frankly its not my business who's sleeping with who.

That said I'll never vote for Gay marriage. Or any Politician whos for it...................... Rich


Posted by: TJ Cline

For a split second I thought you were finally making an intelligent comment.......then at the end you blow it.


Posted by: SuperFlex

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
For a split second I thought you were finally making an intelligent comment.......then at the end you blow it.
I knew I'd find you here...


Posted by: SuperFlex

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich46yo
Sorry but those who consider it a personality disorder are wrong. I believe people are born with their sexuality and dont aquire it. Ive worked with many gay partners, in the gay community, and just dont accept any argument its "weird" or "different". People are simply born as they are, and frankly its not my business who's sleeping with who.

That said I'll never vote for Gay marriage. Or any Politician whos for it...................... Rich
I believe they for one reason or some screwed up other had sexual relations with another man and liked it up the butt... It's a choice! I'm guessing you're considering it to...


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich46yo
Sorry but those who consider it a personality disorder are wrong. I believe people are born with their sexuality and dont aquire it. Ive worked with many gay partners, in the gay community, and just dont accept any argument its "weird" or "different". People are simply born as they are, and frankly its not my business who's sleeping with who.

That said I'll never vote for Gay marriage. Or any Politician whos for it...................... Rich
It is a choice to be gay
Can't marry but should be able to "legalize" their relationship somehow.

You are 1/2 right.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
It is a choice to be gay
Can't marry but should be able to "legalize" their relationship somehow.

You are 1/2 right.
You are both half right


Posted by: Pepper

Are you sure? I would think you would have me as ALL wrong.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
Are you sure? I would think you would have me as ALL wrong.
Nope
You're actually usually 50-100% correct as far as I can see.

I dont fear your opinions like you do mine.


Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
It is a choice to be gay
Can't marry but should be able to "legalize" their relationship somehow.

You are 1/2 right.
A choice!?

Yep, I woke up one morning and chose to be protested, discriminated and campaigned against for the rest of my life...


Posted by: Vieope

Homosexuals are so gay.


Posted by: juggernaut2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieope
Homosexuals are so gay.
lmao.. IMO lesbians are fine.. girl-girl love is very natural and something I enjoy watching, when I see a girl kiss a girl, it just feels right.... as far as guys go.. Its just plain fucking disgusting.. sticking a pole into another guys anus is a crime that should carry the death penalty









(relax people...just kidding)


Posted by: myCATpowerlifts

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_enough
A choice!?

Yep, I woke up one morning and chose to be protested, discriminated and campaigned against for the rest of my life...
I never would have guessed....

Anyway, I agree, I know several gay people, and I don't believe it's a choice.

Who would choose to be insulted, prejudiced against, etc everyday of their life by people all over the world??

I wouldn't. You are born that way.

People who are gay feel it from early on.


Posted by: largepkg

I certainly wouldn't use the "who would chose to be insulted, ridiculed, and protested against" argument. There are many people who do the exact opposite of what the majority would consider normal just for reaction.

That being said I think the majority of gays are born that way. Although, there are a lot of freaks who'll try anything and like it.


Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:
Originally Posted by largepkg

That being said I think the majority of gays are born that way. Although, there are a lot of freaks who'll try anything and like it.
Thats very very true!


Posted by: crazy_enough

Quote:
Originally Posted by juggernaut2005
lmao.. IMO lesbians are fine.. girl-girl love is very natural and something I enjoy watching, when I see a girl kiss a girl, it just feels right.... as far as guys go.. Its just plain fucking disgusting.. sticking a pole into another guys anus is a crime that should carry the death penalty









(relax people...just kidding)
LOL, I think cowboy boots and white sox worn in loafers should be punished by the death penalty!


Posted by: juggernaut2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_enough
LOL, I think cowboy boots and white sox worn in loafers should be punished by the death penalty!
touche


Posted by: largepkg

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_enough
LOL, I think cowboy boots and white sox worn in loafers should be punished by the death penalty!

Hey Crazy, where in the world is it considered socially acceptable to wear sandals with socks? Apparently all the people from that country moved to S Fla.


Posted by: BulkMeUp

IMO, The only ones who have a choice are bisexuals. Coz they choose which sex they want to have sex with. The others are those who made a choice to be celebate.

Being gay is as much a choice as being straight. You cant choose being gay or straight any more than you were able chose the sex you were born with.

If anyone claims that he/she made a choice to be straight, then it would imply that he/she did have active gay relationships for an resonable amount of time before deciding that being gay was not for them and decided to be straight. Or else how can you come to the conclusion to make such a choice without having experienced the other side?? "I have never eaten an apple in my life, but i choose not to eat one as i know i hate it"


Posted by: Rich46yo

Whos this cunt? And why did I feel we could have a rational discussion here.............



Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperFlex
I believe they for one reason or some screwed up other had sexual relations with another man and liked it up the butt... It's a choice! I'm guessing you're considering it to...



Posted by: Rich46yo

There are no more "freaks" amongst gays then there are with straight people. Im sorry to have to point that out to the bashers. Frankly I consider myself a friend to the gay community and am proud to serve them.

My point being that just because Im against gay marriage doesnt mean Im against gays..................Uncle Rich


Posted by: maniclion

Just like black people are born black, but too bad for them right Rich?


Posted by: BulkMeUp

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich46yo
Im against gay marriage
Why is that?

And i dont buy that 'sanctity of marrige' BS. Most straight people do all sorts of crap before, during and after marriage. So there isnt much in terms of 'sanctity of marriage'. If you want to protest against this so called sanctity then why not speak up against all those straight people who destroy it in the first place and do something about that? or are we talking about a double standard here?


Posted by: V Player

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich46yo
Sorry but those who consider it a personality disorder are wrong. I believe people are born with their sexuality and dont aquire it. Ive worked with many gay partners, in the gay community, and just dont accept any argument its "weird" or "different". People are simply born as they are, and frankly its not my business who's sleeping with who.
*Bows in respect*


Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
Just like black people are born black, but too bad for them right Rich?

Black people choose to be black.


Posted by: juggernaut2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Black people choose to be black.
I don heard a lot of racist shyt.. but this takes the cake


Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:
Originally Posted by juggernaut2005
I don heard a lot of racist shyt.. but this takes the cake

It's not racist, are you white or black?


Posted by: juggernaut2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
It's not racist, are you white or black?
I'm human


Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:
Originally Posted by juggernaut2005
I'm human
That is my point.


Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy_enough
A choice!?

Yep, I woke up one morning and chose to be protested, discriminated and campaigned against for the rest of my life...
Hey, you chose to be a Democrat, so don't blame it on anyone else!!!











BTW, you're lookin' even better!!!


Posted by: Rich46yo

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
Just like black people are born black, but too bad for them right Rich?
There he goes again. Manlicon is going to make me a racist if it kills himself doing it. Well what do you expect from a guy who lives in a fantasy land?..................


Posted by: BigDyl

This thread is gay.

And there is nothing wrong with that.


Posted by: maniclion

Fantasia is better than Hypocrisia, I mean it's great that you can admit that for some it's not a choice, but then you turn right around and treat them as inferior by denying them a right. I'm pointing to the past where even black people who were born black, just as a homosexual is born gay, were persecuted for the way they were born and they fought to be treated equally in our society. Now homosexuals are facing the same inequality.


Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Black people choose to be black.
Please everyone, listen to Dale. He is wise beyond his years. I was born black, but decided to become a Polish Islamic Jew, which keeps me quite busy I might add. Peace out everyone, I have temple at 6, I have to bow and pray to Mecca at 7 and eat Kielbasa at 8.


Posted by: DOMS

Please, o please, tell me Kielbasa is some hot Jewish chick...


Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Please, o please, tell me Kielbasa is some hot Jewish chick...
Well she was, until I turned her into kielbasa. Ill share the recipe if anyone wants some. Easy on the paprika!


Posted by: DOMS

I was *this close* to turning Jewish. I mean, if every day ended by eating out some hot Jewish chick, I was gonna convert.

Who wouldn't want to end their day DNA-dumpster diving...?


Posted by: Vieope

What if you had a gay son Rich? Would you accept it easily when he french kissed his boyfriend in front of you?


Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
I was *this close* to turning Jewish. I mean, if every day ended by eating out some hot Jewish chick, I was gonna convert.

Who wouldn't want to end their day DNA-dumpster diving...?
Actually only her limbs would fit through my sausage press, but seeing as I'm 1/3 muslim, im going to strap a bomb to her torso and leave her at one of the many road blocks here in Poland.


Posted by: DOMS

You are one fucked up individual...




Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
You are one fucked up individual...
hahaha, im going to hell probably, but since im Islamic I have already secured my place in eternal happiness from killing innocent people and calling it Gods will.


Posted by: DOMS

Not only that, but you'll also get 72 transparent raisins.


Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Not only that, but you'll also get 72 transparent raisins.
Plus I volunteered my wife to be a suicide bomber, im so courageous.


Posted by: DOMS

Bullshit, you're only courageous if you send your 15 year old retarded son.


Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Bullshit, you're only courageous if you send your 15 year old retarded son.

topolo is not his son, he is his gay boy slave.


Posted by: DOMS

Close enough...


Posted by: SuperFlex

ALL gays (excluding beautiful women) should be shipped off to Australia... They could take a fairy boat cruise on a fairy and re-name it silly poo island. That would solve a few world wide issues or at least help a great deal! They could even join "their" military and use their own arsenal. Pee shooters. Hopefully some homo general would declare war on the US and we could test our new planes out for a few months... Olympic sports would be limited to swimming however. If a flammer wants to come state side to visit their mom we could issue a homo passport for up to 12 hours. After that they'd have to practice for the olympics if they weren't back on a plane...

Now I know what you're thinking. What a jerk! Ship them ALL to Australia!?! You know they would be frightened to death of all those spiders and snakes! AAAAAAAAAAAA!!! A big hairy spider Timmy! Come kill it! No way bitch! You kill it! Let's call back home to mom. She'll know what to do.

Well maybe Antartica then... This may even help them overcome their homosexual desires. Shrinkage would be so severe that no one would want to whip it out. Certainly not at the park or in the mens iglo... Jail there could be something like having to walk around with their talley's hanging out. I know that sounds a lot like now but frost bite would serve it's purpose there!

Or China! They want boys! Nah they're too smart for that one...

Btw if you're gay I'm sorry... That you chose to be such....... Whether it was because you were raped as a youth, there was a devil in your ear, you went to college and had a strange roommate, or whatever the case is. You chose to like massaging a man ball sacs and you need Jesus! Sorry, but someone had to say it. Just like lesbianism is just as wrong. Although I like it! I like it a lot... I need Jesus too!!! But not because I like poop in my peter hole.....


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
Fantasia is better than Hypocrisia, I mean it's great that you can admit that for some it's not a choice, but then you turn right around and treat them as inferior by denying them a right. I'm pointing to the past where even black people who were born black, just as a homosexual is born gay, were persecuted for the way they were born and they fought to be treated equally in our society. Now homosexuals are facing the same inequality.
Comparing the gays to the blacks makes my ass twitch. It is an absurd comparison.


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vieope
What if you had a gay son Rich? Would you accept it easily when he french kissed his boyfriend in front of you?
See this is how this crap happens. Rich said nothing that I read that bashes gays or to indicate that he would have trouble accepting it. Neither have I. However, since we don't think gays should be allowed to marry, we must be gay-hating homophobes. Huh?

So, if I am not 100% down with the gay movement then I am anti-gay? Then I am anti-Bush, anti-religion, anti-women, even anti-Pepper.

It IS possible to be anti-gay marriage, believe acting as a homosexual is a choice and not hate them.


Posted by: TJ Cline

In my bible it says that blacks chose to be that color.


Posted by: maniclion

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
Comparing the gays to the blacks makes my ass twitch. It is an absurd comparison.
Knowing that there still exists a need to subjugate a group of people in my time of living makes me teary-eyed. It's an abomination.


Posted by: ihateschoolmt

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
Knowing that there still exists a need to subjugate a group of people in my time of living makes me teary-eyed. It's an abomination.
I agree. I've heard people talk all my life about how horrible rasists are, but most of them hate gay people. I actually heard people say rasists are gay. (Not gay in the sexual sence, but as a generic insult as that is what it is among kids now)


Posted by: maniclion

If you need a group of "sexually deviant" people to persecute you have a whole pick of pedophiles, pederasts and rapists. But gay people whether by choice or by biochemistry are consenting adults who have done nothing against anyone.


Posted by: ihateschoolmt

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
If you need a group of "sexually deviant" people to persecute you have a whole pick of pedophiles, pederasts and rapists. But gay people whether by choice or by biochemistry are consenting adults who have done nothing against anyone.
What the hell is a pederast?


Posted by: maniclion

Quote:
Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
What the hell is a pederast?
See I prove my point, gays are so hated everyone knows what a gay is, but a pederast gets off scott free because he's flying under the radar.

A pederast is the most vile of the pedophile, they actually act upon their obsessions with children.


Posted by: BigDyl

Quote:
Originally Posted by maniclion
See I prove my point, gays are so hated everyone knows what a gay is, but a pederast gets off scott free because he's flying under the radar.

A pederast is the most vile of the pedophile, they actually act upon their obsessions with children.

You have a rather large vocabulary.


Posted by: maniclion

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDyl
You have a rather large vocabulary.
"Words dissemble
Words be quick
Words resemble walking sticks.
Plant them they will grow,
Watch them waIver so.
I'll always be a word man
Better than a bird man." Jim Morrison


Posted by: gococksDJS

What about necrophiliacs? Should they be denied their constitutional right to wed a corpse that they happen to enjoy making love to? I say no, let them marry who they please, it's a great tax break. But gay necrophiliacs? That shit's just gross.


Posted by: gococksDJS

You know, back in the 1920's homosexuality could be cured with a quick ice pick to the frontal lobe?


Posted by: gococksDJS

See what I mean? This guy was probably a gay, but a quick scramble of the frontal lobe, and he's a heterosexual zombie from now on. A quick solution to every parents nightmare..........(im joking everyone, no need to flip out)


Posted by: Big Smoothy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
It is a choice to be gay
Provide evidence, then.

More and more research says there are biological differences in certain chemicals, and brains responses to particular stimuli is different.

Some people try to pretend they aren't gay. They get married, have kids, then end up miserable and screwed.

Bisexuality or being homosexual may be a choice for some, but for most it isn't.

I am 100% hetero by the way.


Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu
I am 100% hetero by the way.
Damn!


Posted by: John H.

For those that want to learn more see this book:

FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke (Oxford University Press)

SEE FOR YOURSELF the source material used to write this book if you want to be sure as to its conclusions.

SEE FOR YOURSELF how nearly HALF of ALL the MEN in one small town in Italy (that WERE CAUGHT!!) found it so RIGHT to have Sex with each other and ASK YOURSELF AFTER reading this book how it is that so many MEN - REAL MEN - found it SO RIGHT AND GOOD to have Sex with each other AND ASK YOURSELF if this happened in just ONE town WHY NOT ALSO in other towns throughout the world...

Throughout history Heterosexuality, BiSexuality and Homosexuality EXISTED and EXISTS - LEARN about it even in the Natural World with animals and plants. Human Beings ARE a part of the Natural World. See the book BIOLOGIAL EXUBERANCE, by Bruce Bagemihl (St. Martin's Press) regarding the animal kindgom and see for yourself any book on Botany with regard to plants.

EACH ASPECT of Sexuality IS COMPLETELY NATURAL AND RIGHT AND GOOD - what might be wrong in any way would be the USING/ABUSING of another for Sexual purposes only - unless each AGREED FREELY to that aspect AND ARE of age and ability of consent and can give that consent freely.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

damn is this thread needed again already? havent we already done the "its ok to be gay" , "no its not its a sin and all gay people are going to hell" thread?

the truth is all of us have sexual urges that we need to learn to control. whatever they may be whenever we let our bodies control us we become slaves to the flesh.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
damn is this thread needed again already? havent we already done the "its ok to be gay" , "no its not its a sin and all gay people are going to hell" thread?

the truth is all of us have sexual urges that we need to learn to control. whatever they may be whenever we let our bodies control us we become slaves to the flesh.
I want your flesh


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
I want your flesh
The foreskin?


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
damn is this thread needed again already? havent we already done the "its ok to be gay" , "no its not its a sin and all gay people are going to hell" thread?

the truth is all of us have sexual urges that we need to learn to control. whatever they may be whenever we let our bodies control us we become slaves to the flesh.
Hi Bio,

What's wrong with being a "...(slave) to the flesh..."?

What's wrong with "urges"?

SEX was MADE TO BE ENJOYED AND UNDERSTOOD AND APPRECIATED AND CELEBRATED AND RESPECTED AND HONORED!!! It is a TRUE expression of CARING for another, HONESTLY.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
I want your flesh
so your saying your a switch hitter. im not into that. talk to john h. im sure he would feel it would be an honor to "open you up" so that you would have a sexually spiritual experience. im sure he would be kind enough to give you a reach around as well.


Posted by: John H.

Bio NEEDS!! a DAMN GOOD TOTAL body massage - and MIND-BLOWING SEX - with someone WHO CARES about him - HONESTLY - MAN AND/OR WOMAN!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
so your saying your a switch hitter. im not into that. talk to john h. im sure he would feel it would be an honor to "open you up" so that you would have a sexually spiritual experience. im sure he would be kind enough to give you a reach around as well.
Nope I want you......I imagine you reading the Bible while I violate you.....


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio NEEDS!! a DAMN GOOD TOTAL body massage - and MIND-BLOWING SEX - with someone WHO CARES about him - HONESTLY - MAN AND/OR WOMAN!

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
so your saying your a switch hitter. im not into that. talk to john h. im sure he would feel it would be an honor to "open you up" so that you would have a sexually spiritual experience. im sure he would be kind enough to give you a reach around as well.
Hi Bio,

TRUST ME!!!! AND BELIEVE IT!!!! I AM - VERY KIND!!!!!

Reach-arounds are TREMENDOUS too - for the "reachee" and the "reacher" - BELIEVE IT!!!!

"...(opening)..." is FINE TOO!!!!

So too are "...sexually spiritual experience(s)...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Nope I want you......I imagine you reading the Bible while I violate you.....
Hi Foreman,




GOD HIMSELF would be sending a special message to Bio - BELIEVE ME!!! And I am SURE you KNOW that IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!! And so too would Bio - once he "begins" to see "the light"...!!!! And he would BE VERY HAPPY.... VERY HAPPY!!!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Nope I want you......I imagine you reading the Bible while I violate you.....
Hi Foreman,

Would it be ok for us to "watch" as well? We EACH could learn GOOD things...

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Bio,

What's wrong with being a "...(slave) to the flesh..."?

What's wrong with "urges"?

SEX was MADE TO BE ENJOYED AND UNDERSTOOD AND APPRECIATED AND CELEBRATED AND RESPECTED AND HONORED!!! It is a TRUE expression of CARING for another, HONESTLY.

Take Care, John H.
your not getting it john, like usual. i didnt say sex was wrong. indeed i feel it is a gift from God. i actually agree with what you wrote about sex. what i think you need to grasp is there is a time and a place for sex. not whenever, whereever, whoemever mentality.

one example of people not controling their urges and becoming slaves to the flesh is the problems people are having when they get addicted to porn. it breaks up families, causes divorces and people loose their jobs. when people are controled by their lusts, the celebration, honor, and true expression of caring for another honestly are lost and the purpose for sex is lost and corrupted into something that hurts instead of blesses.


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Bio,

TRUST ME!!!! AND BELIEVE IT!!!! I AM - VERY KIND!!!!!

Reach-arounds are TREMENDOUS too - for the "reachee" and the "reacher" - BELIEVE IT!!!!

"...(opening)..." is FINE TOO!!!!

So too are "...sexually spiritual experience(s)...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take Care, John H.



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Bio NEEDS!! a DAMN GOOD TOTAL body massage - and MIND-BLOWING SEX - with someone WHO CARES about him - HONESTLY - MAN AND/OR WOMAN!

Take Care, John H.
your the last person i would talke sexual advice from john boy. what i need is a wife. im working on that, but that would be a different thread


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
your not getting it john, like usual. i didnt say sex was wrong. indeed i feel it is a gift from God. i actually agree with what you wrote about sex. what i think you need to grasp is there is a time and a place for sex. not whenever, whereever, whoemever mentality.

one example of people not controling their urges and becoming slaves to the flesh is the problems people are having when they get addicted to porn. it breaks up families, causes divorces and people loose their jobs. when people are controled by their lusts, the celebration, honor, and true expression of caring for another honestly are lost and the purpose for sex is lost and corrupted into something that hurts instead of blesses.
I think I might have a problem


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
I think I might have a problem
dont worry foreman, im sure im wrong. i mean what could hours and hours on end every single day sitting in front of a computer looking at porn and posting needless threads on IM possibly due to your life in the real-world


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
your the last person i would talke sexual advice from john boy. what i need is a wife. im working on that, but that would be a different thread



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
dont worry foreman, im sure im wrong. i mean what could hours and hours on end every single day sitting in front of a computer looking at porn and posting needless threads on IM possibly due to your life in the real-world
The positive thing that it has done is keep me out of church.....so I have that going for me


Posted by: Chain Link

Being addicted to porn sure beats wet dreams.

I sure any woman who could control PMS by having an orgasm before the fact would do so as well


Posted by: Chain Link

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The positive thing that it has done is keep me out of church.....so I have that going for me



Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
your not getting it john, like usual. i didnt say sex was wrong. indeed i feel it is a gift from God. i actually agree with what you wrote about sex. what i think you need to grasp is there is a time and a place for sex. not whenever, whereever, whoemever mentality.

one example of people not controling their urges and becoming slaves to the flesh is the problems people are having when they get addicted to porn. it breaks up families, causes divorces and people loose their jobs. when people are controled by their lusts, the celebration, honor, and true expression of caring for another honestly are lost and the purpose for sex is lost and corrupted into something that hurts instead of blesses.
Hi Bio,

Sex to me is a SACRED and HONEST expression - it can be with oneself and/or with another - EACH HONESTLY CARING about each other REGARDLESS of their Gender! And it IS a Gift from God!!

"...there is a time and a place for sex..."? That could very well - and should be - ANYTIME - each AGREE - ANYWHERE! Before the "prudes" started "moralizing" those that CARED for each other could "any time - any place" - there is NOTHING wrong with being HONEST with those you CARE ABOUT ANYTIME!!!!

Porn in and of itself does not "have to" "break up" marriages or ...

Porn can ALSO be a celebration - and experience - WITH respect, honor, dignity, honest caring, etc. - and BLESS!!!

Sex in all its variety - IS BEAUTIFUL AND SACRED!!!! ANYTIME!!!! EACH so involved MUST BE of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely. Gender has absolutely nothing to do with CARING about someone!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chain Link
Being addicted to porn sure beats wet dreams.

I sure any woman who could control PMS by having an orgasm before the fact would do so as well
are you kidding me. wet dreams are way better than jacking off


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
your the last person i would talke sexual advice from john boy. what i need is a wife. im working on that, but that would be a different thread
Hi Bio,

WHY do you THINK you need a "wife"?

Wouldn't it BE much better to have someone WHO CARES ABOUT YOU - and YOU THEM - HONESTLY?! Why would that person HAVE to be a "wife"?

You do not have to be "married"! CARING HONESTLY is TRUTH!!!

MEN - REAL MEN - can care about you honestly too you know!!! Even and also Sexually as well!!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
are you kidding me. wet dreams are way better than jacking off
Hi Bio,

Have you ever jacked off? Have you ever BEEN jacked off - BY SOMEONE WHO CARES HONESTLY ABOUT YOU?

BELIEVE ME, you WOULD BE a VERY HAPPY MAN - and getting the blow job of a lifetime too would help you out. You NEED your rocks "boiled" BIGTIME by someone WHO CARES!!!!! A MAN - A REAL MAN - CAN DO THAT - FOR - YOU, too!!! TRUST ME!!! It HAPPENS everyday!!!! And IT IS ABSOLUTELY SACRED AND HONORABLE!!!!!!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: Chain Link

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
are you kidding me. wet dreams are way better than jacking off
I think I just got owned


Posted by: Chain Link

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Bio,

Have you ever jacked off? Have you ever BEEN jacked off - BY SOMEONE WHO CARES HONESTLY ABOUT YOU?

BELIEVE ME, you WOULD BE a VERY HAPPY MAN - and getting the blow job of a lifetime too would help you out. You NEED your rocks "boiled" BIGTIME by someone WHO CARES!!!!! A MAN - A REAL MAN - CAN DO THAT - FOR - YOU, too!!! TRUST ME!!! It HAPPENS everyday!!!! And IT IS ABSOLUTELY SACRED AND HONORABLE!!!!!!

Take Care, John H.
But in all fairness so did bio-chem


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Bio,

WHY do you THINK you need a "wife"?

Wouldn't it BE much better to have someone WHO CARES ABOUT YOU - and YOU THEM - HONESTLY?! Why would that person HAVE to be a "wife"?

You do not have to be "married"! CARING HONESTLY is TRUTH!!!

MEN - REAL MEN - can care about you honestly too you know!!! Even and also Sexually as well!!!

Take Care, John H.
if you care honestly and are in love why not be married? men could care and i have plenty of guy friends, but i find the love of a woman much much much more appealing. men and women have inherrent differences, and im not talking about physicall only. how could you disagree john. arent you married to a woman?


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee
please send picture in bikini and a resume. ill call you for an interview.


Posted by: bio-chem

and do we really need another thread like this?


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
please send picture in bikini and a resume. ill call you for an interview.



Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee
thats not the rsponse i was hoping for


Posted by: Big Smoothy

Quote:
Originally Posted by cfs3
Damn!
Love that avatar. Cfs3


Posted by: Minotaur

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
It is a choice to be gay
Why?


Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu
Love that avatar. Cfs3
Hypnotic, isn't it?


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
if you care honestly and are in love why not be married? men could care and i have plenty of guy friends, but i find the love of a woman much much much more appealing. men and women have inherrent differences, and im not talking about physicall only. how could you disagree john. arent you married to a woman?
Hi Bio,

Am I married - yes, VERY HAPPILY TOO! ABSOLUTELY! But I ALSO love Men as well. HONESTLY! LOVING someone TRUTHFULLY AND COMPLETELY NEVER requires that someone be "married" - marriage IS MAN-MADE!! BEING HONEST in your feelings with others IS PARAMOUNT - Male and/or Female! HONESTLY CARING about others is what IS IMPORTANT!

Are there physical differences - sure! There are all kinds of "differences" actually. The same applies to ALL people regardless of their Gender - that is part of what makes life so wonderful and special and mysterious and beautiful. Human Beings CAN AND DO care about others whether they are "married" or not.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

whats the point of marriage john if your not faithfull to her?


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
whats the point of marriage john if your not faithfull to her?
Ok I agree with you on this one....
WTF John


Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
whats the point of marriage john if your not faithfull to her?
Sometimes I use my right hand instead of my left. Is that unfaithful or ambidextruous?


Posted by: Bobert11284

I think their is always a fascination of what is different. In the past, and now there is a fascination with people of different color. Some people are afraid of what is different from them. Homosexuality is different, most people can not relate to it, so they hold it on a pedistal or shun it. Either way I think it is a human response.

Off subject a tad, I've seen alot of people put the bible into bashing gays. I hate to say it, but most of those bashers had sex before marriage, which is called adultry, and also a sin! Not only a sin, its in the ten comandments. So why do they think they are superior in God's eyes? I have no idea!


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
whats the point of marriage john if your not faithfull to her?
In John H's world, marriage is man-made. Therefore, he can make of it anything he wants. Same with religion. Since it comes from man (according to him,) he can just make it up.




Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
In John H's world, marriage is man-made. Therefore, he can make of it anything he wants. Same with religion. Since it comes from man (according to him,) he can just make it up.
best explanation i could ever have hoped for. too bad when you take the sacredness out of marriage it just becomes paperwork


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
whats the point of marriage john if your not faithfull to her?

Hi Bio,

Am I "faithful" to her - ABSOLUTELY! Do I LOVE her - ABSOLUTELY. Do I LOVE others - ABSOLUTELY. Does she know that - FOR SURE! We went into "marriage" KNOWING about each other FIRST AND FOREMOST - we LOVE each other FOR SURE! And SHE KNOWS! We always talk - about everything! TRUTHFULLY and SINCERELY and HONESTLY! That IS A FIRST "commandment" - OPEN COMMUNICATION THAT IS COMPLETELY HONEST!

Marriage is a man-made "institution". Check into the history of it and the why. See for yourself.

People - human beings - ARE CAPABLE of LOVING HONESTLY another - and/or OTHERS. "Marriage" has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with TRULY LOVING another - REGARDLESS of their Gender. TRUST ME! What I have said IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE! PERIOD!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Ok I agree with you on this one....
WTF John

Hi Foreman,

For sure! Actually. Marriage IS MAN-MADE. As with religion. So ask youself WHY it WAS CREATED BY MAN? For what purpose? WHO "created it"? WHY? Check into its history to see and to understand that....

REMEMBER, BEFORE there was "marriage", people lived on this earth - FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS - WITHOUT "MARRIAGE". "Marriage" is an institution. It is a way for some to "be comfortable". To be "happy". (Or so they may think). It is also a way to be very miserable. There are many aspects to it. But REMEMBER there WAS a "before marriage" and it was for MILLIONS OF YEARS - without marriage. "Marriage" is really relatively new - in the history of the world.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gococksDJS
Sometimes I use my right hand instead of my left. Is that unfaithful or ambidextruous?

Hi Gococks,

It could be both - and - it could be ALSO...

It could also be just "other variations"....

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobert11284
I think their is always a fascination of what is different. In the past, and now there is a fascination with people of different color. Some people are afraid of what is different from them. Homosexuality is different, most people can not relate to it, so they hold it on a pedistal or shun it. Either way I think it is a human response.

Off subject a tad, I've seen alot of people put the bible into bashing gays. I hate to say it, but most of those bashers had sex before marriage, which is called adultry, and also a sin! Not only a sin, its in the ten comandments. So why do they think they are superior in God's eyes? I have no idea!
Hi Bobert,

"Different". That is another word for variety.

There is variety IN ALL THINGS in life and in living. It is MEANT to be that way for many reasons.

What you relate is true. But you will find many "religous types" that will deny that - but then it was a "religious type" that denied Christ - we are told...

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
In John H's world, marriage is man-made. Therefore, he can make of it anything he wants. Same with religion. Since it comes from man (according to him,) he can just make it up.
Hi Pepper,

NOT to upset you in ANY WAY (that IS NEVER my intention!) - BUT - what I said IS TRUE. It IS NOT "In John H's world..."! Whether you, I, or anyone else dislike, disagree with, etc. What I said IS FACT! You are just upset with ME SAYING WHAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

It is NOT "according to him" - it IS according to FACT - what IS TRUE. Check it out for yourself to see for yourself - you WILL see what I said IS TRUE. It is NOT something I just "make up". Check into it for yourself.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobert11284
I think their is always a fascination of what is different. In the past, and now there is a fascination with people of different color. Some people are afraid of what is different from them. Homosexuality is different, most people can not relate to it, so they hold it on a pedistal or shun it. Either way I think it is a human response.

Off subject a tad, I've seen alot of people put the bible into bashing gays. I hate to say it, but most of those bashers had sex before marriage, which is called adultry, and also a sin! Not only a sin, its in the ten comandments. So why do they think they are superior in God's eyes? I have no idea!
I wonder about you. Part 2


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
best explanation i could ever have hoped for. too bad when you take the sacredness out of marriage it just becomes paperwork
Hi Bio,

You are HOLDING ON to FALSEHOOD. Probably because it is convenient for you. Many DO that same thing. BUT is it TRUTHFUL AND HONEST AND ACCURATE what you are holding on to? You are not happy with ME "saying" what I have to say BUT what I say IS TRUE AND ACCURATE.

"Sacredness" of marriage? Marriage is ONLY what those so joined MAKE IT! IT and of ITSELF is nothing more than an "institution" with a "label" which is "marriage". A totally MAN-MADE institution. WHAT those so engaged in MAKE OF IT, is what MAKES IT WHAT IT IS, OR NOT!

For some, it is nothing more than paperwork. I wish I did not have to say that but that is true - for some.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong againg john. will you ever open your eyes. i think not, yet truth be told i still respond on the off chance something may let you understand. marriage was instituted by God with our first parents. thats its origins. period. i dont know what history you have read that said marriage started millions of years after humans. any history you read of even the earliest civilizations have some sort of marriage ceremony. thats just a fact john ask any anthropologist/archeaologist. there is just no denying marriage goes back as far as civilization does. so stop inventing history that never happened and stick with the facts.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Foreman,

For sure! Actually. Marriage IS MAN-MADE. As with religion. So ask youself WHY it WAS CREATED BY MAN? For what purpose? WHO "created it"? WHY? Check into its history to see and to understand that....

REMEMBER, BEFORE there was "marriage", people lived on this earth - FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS - WITHOUT "MARRIAGE". "Marriage" is an institution. It is a way for some to "be comfortable". To be "happy". (Or so they may think). It is also a way to be very miserable. There are many aspects to it. But REMEMBER there WAS a "before marriage" and it was for MILLIONS OF YEARS - without marriage. "Marriage" is really relatively new - in the history of the world.

Take Care, John H.
It is man made...............but thats not the point
If I or anyone wants to have a relationship with someone then that is our business....why bring marriage into it.....its just a man made thing so why bother with it....
Love doesn't need a marriage to make it real..


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobert11284
Off subject a tad, I've seen alot of people put the bible into bashing gays. I hate to say it, but most of those bashers had sex before marriage, which is called adultry, and also a sin! Not only a sin, its in the ten comandments. So why do they think they are superior in God's eyes? I have no idea!
So, if you have ever sinned, you cannot call anything sin? If you have ever lied, you can't call someone a liar? I beleive homosexuality is wrong, but I have plenty of things wrong in my life. I stand up and say it is ALL wrong.

second, it is completely absurd to say that those who are against gay marriage are "bashing" gays. It sounds nice, kinda like Foreman comparing the gay movement to the black movement, but in the end it is a ridiculous comparision.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
So, if you have ever sinned, you cannot call anything sin? If you have ever lied, you can't call someone a liar? I beleive homosexuality is wrong, but I have plenty of things wrong in my life. I stand up and say it is ALL wrong.

second, it is completely absurd to say that those who are against gay marriage are "bashing" gays. It sounds nice, kinda like Foreman comparing the gay movement to the black movement, but in the end it is a ridiculous comparision.
Pathetic


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong againg john. will you ever open your eyes. i think not, yet truth be told i still respond on the off chance something may let you understand. marriage was instituted by God with our first parents. thats its origins. period. i dont know what history you have read that said marriage started millions of years after humans. any history you read of even the earliest civilizations have some sort of marriage ceremony. thats just a fact john ask any anthropologist/archeaologist. there is just no denying marriage goes back as far as civilization does. so stop inventing history that never happened and stick with the facts.
This thread is kind of hard for me to follow b/c so many of the posters are on ignore. Your responses are great however.

I am afraid that soon you will see that Foreman and John H. rarely say anything different. Ironically, they are about as intolerant as anyone here.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
This thread is kind of hard for me to follow b/c so many of the posters are on ignore. Your responses are great however.

I am afraid that soon you will see that Foreman and John H. rarely say anything different. Ironically, they are about as intolerant as anyone here.
Try not be so transparent in your intolerance and hate of others who don't share your exact opinions.


Posted by: gococksDJS

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Gococks,

It could be both - and - it could be ALSO...

It could also be just "other variations"....

Take Care, John H.
easy fairy boy, I don't practice the gay.


Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
This thread is kind of hard for me to follow b/c so many of the posters are on ignore. Your responses are great however.

I am afraid that soon you will see that Foreman and John H. rarely say anything different. Ironically, they are about as intolerant as anyone here.
You put people on ignore?


Posted by: LAM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich46yo
Sorry but those who consider it a personality disorder are wrong. I believe people are born with their sexuality and dont aquire it. Ive worked with many gay partners, in the gay community, and just dont accept any argument its "weird" or "different". People are simply born as they are, and frankly its not my business who's sleeping with who.

That said I'll never vote for Gay marriage. Or any Politician whos for it...................... Rich
I have seen plenty of my buddies have sex with women and can understand why a woman would want to turn gay after that.

personally I can't understand why people just can't worry about themselves. who another person wants to marry is nobody's business and surely not the governments. I have much more important things to worrry about then if a man wants to marry a man or if a woman wants to marry a woman.


Posted by: Pepper

Quote:
Originally Posted by min0 lee
You put people on ignore?
Yes, but not you. There are a couple of posters who just add nothing to the site and I've grown tired of them.

They openly mock my religious beliefs then call me intolerate. One one level it is amusing, but in the end, it just pisses me off.


Posted by: TJ Cline

I only mock the mockers who mock the those who don't want to be mocked.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Pathetic
your right. your transparent similarities to john h are pathetic


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
your right. your transparent similarities to john h are pathetic
Try and learn the Bible before you misquote it


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Try and learn the Bible before you misquote it
misquote the bible? have you lost it completely? where was i using the bible?


Posted by: SuperFlex

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich46yo
Sorry but those who consider it a personality disorder are wrong. I believe people are born with their sexuality and dont aquire it. Ive worked with many gay partners, in the gay community, and just dont accept any argument its "weird" or "different". People are simply born as they are, and frankly its not my business who's sleeping with who.

That said I'll never vote for Gay marriage. Or any Politician whos for it...................... Rich
Why not You sound gay

They should live on an island!


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
misquote the bible? have you lost it completely? where was i using the bible?
Using it is a poor expression for what you do....more like misusing it....all the time.

Go here and learn something
http://www.evilbible.com/Evil%20Bible%20Quotes.htm


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Using it is a poor expression for what you do....more like misusing it....all the time.

Go here and learn something
http://www.evilbible.com/Evil%20Bible%20Quotes.htm
you must be jokeing. you point me to a website where people who dont understand or believe in the bible are trying to interpret it. even you in all your hatred for those who believe are intelligent enough to understand the absolute uselessness of that site. if at anytime you like any of those interpretations and you wish to discuss those with me feel free to message me and i will gladly discuss anything about the bible that you wish. i promise not to ridicule or show any negativeity and i will give you a thoughtfull explanation for any question you have. after that ill leave it up to you to decide.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
you must be jokeing. you point me to a website where people who dont understand or believe in the bible are trying to interpret it. even you in all your hatred for those who believe are intelligent enough to understand the absolute uselessness of that site. if at anytime you like any of those interpretations and you wish to discuss those with me feel free to message me and i will gladly discuss anything about the bible that you wish. i promise not to ridicule or show any negativeity and i will give you a thoughtfull explanation for any question you have. after that ill leave it up to you to decide.
Please read it..............it is the truth


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Please read it..............it is the truth
this post was the clincher for me. you are 100% without a doubt john h. thats too bad. for my reply refer to my previous post its the same


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Please read it..............it is the truth
this post was the clincher for me, you are 100% without a doubt john h. thats too bad. and for my reply please refer to my previous post on this subject. anytime you want to discuss anything on that site let me know i would be more than happy to talk to you about it


Posted by: TJ Cline

Hater


Posted by: SuperFlex

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/scaretactics.html


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong againg john. will you ever open your eyes. i think not, yet truth be told i still respond on the off chance something may let you understand. marriage was instituted by God with our first parents. thats its origins. period. i dont know what history you have read that said marriage started millions of years after humans. any history you read of even the earliest civilizations have some sort of marriage ceremony. thats just a fact john ask any anthropologist/archeaologist. there is just no denying marriage goes back as far as civilization does. so stop inventing history that never happened and stick with the facts.
Hi Bio,

I know you'd like to believe that BUT the FACTS are not as you so state - please check into the history of marriage - objectively.

Marriage IS MAN-MADE. It is "nice" to "say" it is "instituted by God" but the FACTS are different.

Me? "...inventing history...", not at all - "religious types" do all the time so it "fits" their "beliefs" and their "religion".... And brings them "comfort"....

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
It is man made...............but thats not the point
If I or anyone wants to have a relationship with someone then that is our business....why bring marriage into it.....its just a man made thing so why bother with it....
Love doesn't need a marriage to make it real..
Hi Foreman,

EXACTLY, and RIGHT ON!!!

Many are "married" BUT are they really? And are they truly happy? And is it honest?

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
This thread is kind of hard for me to follow b/c so many of the posters are on ignore. Your responses are great however.

I am afraid that soon you will see that Foreman and John H. rarely say anything different. Ironically, they are about as intolerant as anyone here.
Hi Pepper,

It sounds as if YOU want ME to CHANGE the FACTS - AS THEY TRULY ARE - that, HONESTLY, can NEVER happen - yes, PEOPLE CAN TRY to change the FACTS and many work hard at it, but the FACTS are AS THEY ARE!

I am NOT at all "intolerant". In fact I "tolerate" a LOT.

Do I "excuse" stupidity? I certainly see it when it appears. Ignorance? Same thing.

I LOOK CLOSELY at ALL THINGS - OBJECTIVELY - with an OPEN MIND - from ALL viewpoints and perspectives. I also try my damnest to consider ALL information from ALL sources ALL the time. THAT IS the ONLY way to come to any understanding about any thing. Many never make any effort beyond what is IN their own head at the time...

Am I perfect? NO! NO ONE IS! And I NEVER said I was nor implied that EVER.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gococksDJS
easy fairy boy, I don't practice the gay.
Hi Gococks,

"Easy fairy boy..."? ME? If you ever KNEW ME personally you would NOT come EVKEN CLOSE to saying that, TRUST ME! You DO NOT KNOW ME at all - personally. I can ASSURE YOU, I am NO "fairy boy" - FAR FAR FROM IT....

What you "practice" is no different from anyone else who is Human - VARIATION. VARIETY.

THINK ABOUT THIS: if YOU take YOUR HAND and place it around YOUR COCK and jack it off, YOU are HOMOSEXUAL - it is a MAN having SEX WITH A MAN even though that MAN is one and the same MAN. PERIOD. FACT. You can NEVER change that - it is FACT. Or, if you also like the ladies, you would then be "termed", as with me, a BiSexual Male. In the end, it makes no difference - we are ALL HUMAN BEINGS who APPRECIATE VARIETY a NATURAL thing.

Now, take your hand (it does not really matter which one, unless you need to use both, wrap it gently around your swollen cock, and JACK OFF - BLOW YOU LOAD - you will feel MUCH BETTER after, TRUST ME! Now if you chose to have another MAN DO that FOR YOU, it really does not matter - you WILL STILL FEEL DAMN GOOD! AND UNDERSTAND! TRUTHFULLY!)

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAM
I have seen plenty of my buddies have sex with women and can understand why a woman would want to turn gay after that.

personally I can't understand why people just can't worry about themselves. who another person wants to marry is nobody's business and surely not the governments. I have much more important things to worrry about then if a man wants to marry a man or if a woman wants to marry a woman.

Hi LAM,

Simply stated, many people LIKE getting into other people's business. That makes THEM "
feel better" about THEMSELVES.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepper
Yes, but not you. There are a couple of posters who just add nothing to the site and I've grown tired of them.

They openly mock my religious beliefs then call me intolerate. One one level it is amusing, but in the end, it just pisses me off.
Hi Pepper,

It goes both ways really. Respect is something THAT IS EARNED - by ALL involved. It is NOT a "given". Same applies to understanding HONESTLY.

You MUST DEVELOP an OPEN MIND to SEE anything, HONESTLY.

YOU MUST CONSIDER ALL THINGS FROM ALL SOURCES ALL THE TIME - OBJECTIVELY.

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
you must be jokeing. you point me to a website where people who dont understand or believe in the bible are trying to interpret it. even you in all your hatred for those who believe are intelligent enough to understand the absolute uselessness of that site. if at anytime you like any of those interpretations and you wish to discuss those with me feel free to message me and i will gladly discuss anything about the bible that you wish. i promise not to ridicule or show any negativeity and i will give you a thoughtfull explanation for any question you have. after that ill leave it up to you to decide.
Hi Bio,

REMEMBER - or REALIZE - that God, HIMSELF!, AND Christ, HIMSELF!, NEVER EVER SAID! one word against people who are BiSexual or Homosexual. NEVER! THEY NEVER! said ONE WORD - THEMSELVES! - that Sex with someone of the same-sex was wrong in ANY WAY - EVER! That IS A FACT! you can not - nor anyone else - CHANGE!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
this post was the clincher for me. you are 100% without a doubt john h. thats too bad. for my reply refer to my previous post its the same
Hi Bio,

Foreman SPEAKS FOR Himself.

I SPEAK FOR Myself.

TRUTH! ABSOLUTE!

We are TWO DIFFERENT Human Beings. BOTH MEN - MEN in the TRUEST SENSE OF THE WORD! COMPLETELY! PERIOD. FACT!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Bio,

I know you'd like to believe that BUT the FACTS are not as you so state - please check into the history of marriage - objectively.

Marriage IS MAN-MADE. It is "nice" to "say" it is "instituted by God" but the FACTS are different.

Me? "...inventing history...", not at all - "religious types" do all the time so it "fits" their "beliefs" and their "religion".... And brings them "comfort"....

Take Care, John H.
all right then john show me any major civilization in history that didnt have any type of marriage ceremony. prove me wrong. im willing to listen. where was mankind living that pre-dated some sort of man-woman union ceremony by millions of years.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Bio,

REMEMBER - or REALIZE - that God, HIMSELF!, AND Christ, HIMSELF!, NEVER EVER SAID! one word against people who are BiSexual or Homosexual. NEVER! THEY NEVER! said ONE WORD - THEMSELVES! - that Sex with someone of the same-sex was wrong in ANY WAY - EVER! That IS A FACT! you can not - nor anyone else - CHANGE!

Take Care, John H.
prove it


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
prove it
You have proved to me that you are in a deep homosexual panic.
Just accept who you are and live your life.


Posted by: bio-chem

panic? hardly


Posted by: TJ Cline

Oh so you are comfortable, with your gay lifestyle.....
good for you




Posted by: John H.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
prove it
Hi Bio,

I speak truthfully. It is NOT my intention to upset you in ANY way. But what I have said IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. PERIOD.

You - and any others - can dream up "whatever" but you CAN NOT change the FACTS!

Take Care, John H.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by John H.
Hi Bio,

I speak truthfully. It is NOT my intention to upset you in ANY way. But what I have said IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. PERIOD.

You - and any others - can dream up "whatever" but you CAN NOT change the FACTS!

Take Care, John H.
c'mon john saying it's so is not proving anything. its not even making an attempt. are you just scared to try and prove your point? lets see you give any kind of evidence whatesoever to back up your claims. not your usual "it sounds right to me, so it must be true" arguement. i want to see any small shred of evidence supporting your claim. please john anything at all.


Posted by: bio-chem

Quote:
Originally Posted by bio-chem
all right then john show me any major civilization in history that didnt have any type of marriage ceremony. prove me wrong. im willing to listen. where was mankind living that pre-dated some sort of man-woman union ceremony by millions of years.
john your avoiding any response where i ask you to prove your statement. you have had a long time to find any civilization ever that did not have some type of marriage ceremony. silence denotes consent john, so that means you must be accepting to fact your position is wrong on this subject. if not then your next post will give an example.


Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem
john your avoiding any response where i ask you to prove your statement. you have had a long time to find any civilization ever that did not have some type of marriage ceremony. silence denotes consent john, so that means you must be accepting to fact your position is wrong on this subject. if not then your next post will give an example.
Bio:

YOU just stepped on YOUR "crank" when you say this:

"...silence denotes consent john..."

BECAUSE you blow your stance as a "religious" person right out of the water....

WHY? Because I have been telling you (and this is a FACT you nor anyone else can dispute WITH ANY ACCURACY AND HONESTY!!) Christ - HIMSELF - NEVER said anything about BiSexuality and/or Homosexuality being wrong in any way and God - HIMSELF - NEVER did either. You seem to refuse to acknowledge the TRUTHFULNESS of my making that statement THOUGH IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!! NOW you tell us "...silence denotes consent john...": THANK YOU!!!! God HIMSELF NEVER said: Christ HIMSELF NEVER said!!!! CONSENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought you were a "college" student?


John H.


Posted by: John H.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem
john your avoiding any response where i ask you to prove your statement. you have had a long time to find any civilization ever that did not have some type of marriage ceremony. silence denotes consent john, so that means you must be accepting to fact your position is wrong on this subject. if not then your next post will give an example.
Bio:

I am not avoiding anything.

DO your own research and YOU WILL FIND the answer.

There is a lot of research regarding Marriage - a MAN-MADE institution which comes in many forms not all "deliberate" or "contractual" or rigidly created. Or "visible". Before there was "marriage" there was Man. Marriage was created later and in some instances much later. Marriage is not universal.

John H.


Posted by: kicka19

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Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

I am not avoiding anything.

DO your own research and YOU WILL FIND the answer.

There is a lot of research regarding Marriage - a MAN-MADE institution which comes in many forms not all "deliberate" or "contractual" or rigidly created. Or "visible". Before there was "marriage" there was Man. Marriage was created later and in some instances much later. Marriage is not universal.

John H.
your a moron, u talk in circles


Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by John H.
Marriage - a MAN-MADE institution

I swear if I read that crap again, I am going to light myself on fire.

I can't take it anymore John H., please stop saying that over and over and over and over


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by Pepper
I swear if I read that crap again, I am going to light myself on fire.

I can't take it anymore John H., please stop saying that over and over and over and over



Posted by: Pepper

Wow. I made foreman's signature. I feel special.


Posted by: Jodi

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Originally Posted by John H.
Bio:

I am not avoiding anything.

DO your own research and YOU WILL FIND the answer.

There is a lot of research regarding Marriage - a MAN-MADE institution which comes in many forms not all "deliberate" or "contractual" or rigidly created. Or "visible". Before there was "marriage" there was Man. Marriage was created later and in some instances much later. Marriage is not universal.

John H.
Well, I would have to agree with that.

Sorry Pepper


Posted by: Pepper

It's man-made if you don't beleive the Bible.


Posted by: Jodi

Well than that's probably why I feel that way.

I don't believe in the bible.


Posted by: bio-chem

well john i believe marriage was instituted shortly after God created woman. it was created by God himself in marrying adam to eve. i do not consider it a man made institution i consider it a God instituted one. therefore it is sacred and should be governed under the rules God has set.

As a Christian i accept the bible as truthful as far as it is translated correctly. therefore i accept the scripture 2 Peter 1:20-21 which reads

20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

so in Christian belief if there is a Prophecy or Revelation given to us by prophets (as the writers of the bible are) then it is the same as coming directly from God's mouth. and if there be any question as to the meaning of any prophecy or revelation then it be up to a prophet to give us the true meaning. it is not up to us to twist it for our own purposes.

i believe God has not been silent about homosexuality or any other sin. He has spoken clearly and unequivically that homosexuality is a sin and not to be accepted. and john please do not respond to this unless you have something new to add to the conversation. i would hate to hear of pepper being set on fire because you could not restrain yourself from posting yet again how "GOD HIMSELF, and CHRIST HIMSELF never said blah blah blah"


Posted by: TJ Cline

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