Originally Posted by ForemanRules

some info on the Daniel Fast would be nice for those of us who have never heard of it.

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

So basically no protein??

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

How is that a fast? A fast means you don't eat anything.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

How is that a fast? A fast means you don't eat anything.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

...and that is what I am struggling with. My Pastor has called the entire congretion to this fast for 3 weeks. I strength train. There is not a lot of protein built into this fast. So...

I am looking for ways to get more protein without violating the guidlines of the fast.
No meat, poultry, milk, eggs, sodium, additives & preservatives.
Many of the protein supplments on the market are high in sodium, and sugars.

Any suggestions.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Forbidding meat is talked about in the bible...........its a sin to do so and the sign of a false religion.....ask your pastor about the Doctrine of Devils and the mention of forbidding meat....................love to hear him talk his way out of this one.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

What is your goal with doing this fast?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Forbidding meat is talked about in the bible...........its a sin to do so and the sign of a false religion.....ask your pastor about the Doctrine of Devils and the mention of forbidding meat....................love to hear him talk his way out of this one.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

...and that is what I am struggling with. My Pastor has called the entire congretion to this fast for 3 weeks. I strength train. There is not a lot of protein built into this fast. So...

I am looking for ways to get more protein without violating the guidlines of the fast.
No meat, poultry, milk, eggs, sodium, additives & preservatives.
Many of the protein supplments on the market are high in sodium, and sugars.

Any suggestions.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

I would be curious to know, where in the Bible it says this.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Read 1 Timothy 4:1-5. It tells us that “in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils…commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.”

Originally Posted by Diakonos

Our Pastor isn't asking us to permantly obstain from meat. Nor does she suggest that there is something inherently evil about eating it. The fast is only for 21 days.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

Our Pastor isn't asking us to permantly obstain from meat. Nor does she suggest that there is something inherently evil about eating it. The fast is only for 21 days.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

If there is nothing wrong with eating meat, why do the fast then? I am not clear what it is supposed to accomplish.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

It's simply another type of fast. Sometimes we do a fruit and juice fast from sun up to sun down (were all we consume for the day is fruit and juice). Some of our members go on an absolute fast or a water only fast for a period of time. It really depends on what the corporate goal of the church is (or individual goal of the member is). In preperation for our new season in our ministry, we our on the Daniel Fast.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I think its best if you believe in Jesus to read his teachings for yourself
Your pastor is wrong and directly going against the teachings of Jesus............read the bible for yourself.............don't just blindly follow a false teacher

Originally Posted by NealPearson

Just curious... what religion is this?

Originally Posted by Diakonos

Don't get it twisted friend.

1. I don't blindly follow anyone. I spend a good amount of time studying the scriptures. Which brings me to my second point.

2. Jesus didn't teach this, as you claimed earlier in this thread. The apostle Paul said this in a private letter he wrote to Timothy (one of his proteges and sons in the ministry).

With all due respect, you don't know me well enough to pass judgement on what I believe. It would make more sense to ask questions the way that NeilPearson has.

I'm Christian.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

Non-denominational? What is the name of the church?

Just curious because most Protestant religions have pretty much abandoned fasting and it is obviously not a lent fast. The only Protestant Christian religion that I have heard of that fasts is some Evangelicals - and that has only been in the last ten years or so.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

Don't get it twisted friend.

1. I don't blindly follow anyone. I spend a good amount of time studying the scriptures. Which brings me to my second point.

2. Jesus didn't teach this, as you claimed earlier in this thread. The apostle Paul said this in a private letter he wrote to Timothy (one of his proteges and sons in the ministry).

3. With all due respect, you don't know me well enough to pass judgement on what I believe. It would make more sense to ask questions the way that NeilPearson has.

4. I'm Christian.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

1. Yes you do
2.Yes he did
3. Yes I do
4. No you're not

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

I believe this is true. Eating meat is how our brains evolved, thus eliminating the Neanderthals and producing Cro-magnons ( I think )

Without meat, we wouldn't have been able to evolve to the point of understanding the bible...Or writing or reading...

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

1 Timothy 4:1-5. It tells us that “in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils…commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.”

Originally Posted by drew.haynes

You know that... as a Christian... he will most likely believe that any evolution beyond micro-evolution is completely ridiculous and false, and that it is nothing more than a theory toward which thousands devote endless efforts in the attempt to make MORE valid than the belief that God created a "young" earth, ultimately trying to minimize the significance of even historically verifiable points made in the Bible.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with him either. Not trying to start an argument which can't be concluded, since no one was around to say what really happened in the beginning... just thought it was funny that you were basing our ability to read on the theory of evolution, while talking to a Christian.

Originally Posted by ness

Foreman...
Another supporting verse to argue with would be Acts 10:10-15

10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Also, In 1 Timothy 4 verse 1 begins by saying, "The Spirit clearly says" which would mean although this is a letter it is nonetheless something God said.

Lastly, I'm not trying to bust you up for doing this whole Daniel fast thing (as a Christian myself) although I do believe there is a difference between this kind of fast and a juice fast (as you mentioned). A juice fast is beneficial physically...not so sure about the one you are attempting.

Originally Posted by bludevil

Your taking this qoute entirely out of context. He's not talking about meat or eating at all. This chapter in the bible is referring to witnessing to Gentiles. Many diciples in those times only thought Jews could be saved. God is referencing food/meat as the Gentiles. Hence "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean". Meaning even Gentiles can be saved and seen as your brothers in christ.

Originally Posted by bludevil

I hate it when non Christians try to take verses out of the bible and use it, because the only show their ignorance or lack of knowledge for the bible and the workings/sayings of Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) ever say that eating meat was wrong, sinful or bad in any way (especially since I enjoy eating meat). At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) make a distinction between which meats are good and which meats are bad (clean or unclean). Nor am I advocating vegetarianism (thought I don’t see anything wrong with it). I was simply talking about a 21 day fast (not a lifestyle change, but a fast). So what’s up with all of the Bible bashing?

Originally Posted by Diakonos

If I had made the argument that Christians should obtain from meat (be it clean or unclean or whatever), then maybe I could understand the references to Timothy 4:1-5 or Acts 10:10-15. But I didn’t. So these Bible verses have been used completely out of context. And nothing agitates me more than wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preachers who misquote/misuse scripture and put their own spin on it.

Originally Posted by ness

Foreman...
Another supporting verse to argue with would be Acts 10:10-15

10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Also, In 1 Timothy 4 verse 1 begins by saying, "The Spirit clearly says" which would mean although this is a letter it is nonetheless something God said.

Lastly, I'm not trying to bust you up for doing this whole Daniel fast thing (as a Christian myself) although I do believe there is a difference between this kind of fast and a juice fast (as you mentioned). A juice fast is beneficial physically...not so sure about the one you are attempting.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

People, People, People

Some of the responses to this thread have been down right hilarious…

and ridiculous …

At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) ever say that eating meat was wrong, sinful or bad in any way (especially since I enjoy eating meat). At no point and time did I (or my Pastor) make a distinction between which meats are good and which meats are bad (clean or unclean). Nor am I advocating vegetarianism (thought I don’t see anything wrong with it). I was simply talking about a 21 day fast (not a lifestyle change, but a fast). So what’s up with all of the Bible bashing?

If I had made the argument that Christians should obtain from meat (be it clean or unclean or whatever), then maybe I could understand the references to Timothy 4:1-5 or Acts 10:10-15. But I didn’t. So these Bible verses have been used completely out of context. And nothing agitates me more than wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preachers who misquote/misuse scripture and put their own spin on it.

For what it is worth, I think it’s funny that the only thing people seem to have a problem with is giving up meat. No one seems to have a problem with the guidelines of the fast that say no sugar, or salt or alcohol or tobacco.

By the way, the question still stands. Has anyone done this fast?

Originally Posted by ness

I'm pretty sure that very few of us that have been posting have been "Bible bashing." There is just a difference if beliefs and how certain portions of scripture are taken. You can't expect to throw a post out here which not only concerns your fast but is a Biblical issue as well and expect people to stay specifically on topic...read more threads, it is a common occurance.


Again...your questions spanned a much greater topic and you can't expect people to stay on topic especially when you are being asked specifics from people who don't even know what you were talking about to begin with.
AND I refuse to be called a "wannabe, jackleg, soapbox preacher who misquotes/misuses scripture" I did not misquote OR misuse scripture- and on top of that, when I posted...I wasn't even talking to you- I was responding to something else that was written.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

Does it really not bother you to think you will go to hell? Eternal torture and damnation?
Or do you just believe we rot, and nothing else when we die...It's pretty
disheartening.

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

Does it really not bother you to think you will go to hell? Eternal torture and damnation?
Or do you just believe we rot, and nothing else when we die...It's pretty
disheartening.

Originally Posted by ness

I am in fact a Christian and I although I have much to learn I am not totally ignorant when it comes to scripture.

Originally Posted by mb27

Maybe I missed it but can you eat fish? I'd go for that.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You can but only if Jesus conjures them up from the air with one of his magic spell.

Originally Posted by Diakonos

...and that is what I am struggling with. My Pastor has called the entire congretion to this fast for 3 weeks. I strength train. There is not a lot of protein built into this fast. So...

I am looking for ways to get more protein without violating the guidlines of the fast.
No meat, poultry, milk, eggs, sodium, additives & preservatives.
Many of the protein supplments on the market are high in sodium, and sugars.

Any suggestions.

Originally Posted by Super Hulk

how about protein shakes ? or is there such a thing



fasting is stupid. it makes you weak and unable to function properly