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Posted by: PWGriffin

I have a few easy questions actually starting with diet, please help me out...

I've heard people referring to caloric intake while on gear as if it's different than when ur cycling off...so my question is am I taking in enough of what I need right now...I'm staking sust250 with deca300 and coming up on my 3rd week of 10...I'm taking in 6 meals a day and shooting for 4500+ calories with over 200 gms of protein and a ton of complex carbs. Oh yeah and I'm 5 10" 195lbs at about 13% bodyfat.

Second question is about water retention...last time I bloated pretty bad on test E and was wondering how to prevent/fix that if it happens again...or do I need worry about that on this particular stack...

Third question is should I be taking anti estrogens with this relatively small stack? If so where do I start?

Finally...PCT, I'm getting some HCG and nolv...should I start 3rd or 4th week out and what would be a good dosage??

If you can answer even just one question, please help me out...any advice (good or bad heh) would be greatly appreciated..

Posted by: Pirate!

You are eating enough, but I'd raise the protein to 300 g/day.

Start HCG at 300 iu E3D, arimidex at .25mg/day and run them until pct.

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

I have a few easy questions actually starting with diet, please help me out...

I've heard people referring to caloric intake while on gear as if it's different than when ur cycling off...so my question is am I taking in enough of what I need right now...I'm staking sust250 with deca300 and coming up on my 3rd week of 10...I'm taking in 6 meals a day and shooting for 4500+ calories with over 200 gms of protein and a ton of complex carbs. Oh yeah and I'm 5 10" 195lbs at about 13% bodyfat.

Second question is about water retention...last time I bloated pretty bad on test E and was wondering how to prevent/fix that if it happens again...or do I need worry about that on this particular stack...

Third question is should I be taking anti estrogens with this relatively small stack? If so where do I start?

Finally...PCT, I'm getting some HCG and nolv...should I start 3rd or 4th week out and what would be a good dosage??

If you can answer even just one question, please help me out...any advice (good or bad heh) would be greatly appreciated..

Sorry but you lost me. Are you trying t cut or bulk? If your trying to cut way to many calories and way to many carbs. Like Pirate said raise those proteins to at least 300 a day. Now if your bulking keep everything as is but still raise the protein up. Protein is what builds muscles.

Posted by: lnvanry

I agree w/ the forum...more protein.

If your BF is above 10% you may want to keep you diet pretty clean, otherwise the bloat gets exponentially bigger.

If you want to keep the water rentention and bloat down run 10-20mg of nolv...Your gains will be a little drier.

PCT nolv inconjuction w/ a typical clomid dosage...

i have 0 experience w/ HCG...I prefer to avoid it and I know plenty of others that don't use it too

Posted by: ag-guys

I would say at 200lbs. you should have at least 400grams of protein/day

AG
www.ag-guys.com

Posted by: Mudge

200 grams of protein @ 4500 calories per day is not even 20% caloric intake, I'd raise that number significantly or expect to put on a lot of fat.

Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by Mudge

200 grams of protein @ 4500 calories per day is not even 20% caloric intake, I'd raise that number significantly or expect to put on a lot of fat.

after looking closer at everything it is closer to if not over 300 grams of protein a day...now does it matter if I'm taking close to 50 or 60 grams of protein in one meal/shake? cuz at 30 gms a meal Id have to eat like 15 times a day heh.

Also I am getting some nolv to run during this cycle cuz I bloat pretty bad.

I'm looking into getting HCG, and was reading about a lot of people doing it during their cycle...is it really necessary? Cuz shit's getting expensive fast...

Posted by: lnvanry

no HCG isn't necessary....

Posted by: kraziplaya

hcg is relatively cheap with a decent source... and i would suggest trying it...

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

250-300 grams of protein is plenty for a 195lb man

Posted by: luke69duke69

I know the standard rule is always 30-40grams of protein in a shake, meal, etc.. but since the body is in a state where it can assimilate and use more protein than it should be able to take more in and use it in a meal as well.

Posted by: Tha Don

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Originally Posted by lnvanry

no HCG isn't necessary....

Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

250-300 grams of protein is plenty for a 195lb man

In ur thread where you talked about the different cycles you've done...you mentioned gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time...what did the range of daily calories/protein look like for you to achieve that??

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Let's put it this way. I take in somewhere between 80-100 grams a meal and that for 6 meals. I believe in over kill on protein. My diet right now consist of 547 grams a day of protein

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

My cycle I just finished was 8 weeks test and deca...400mg test +450mg deca a week...
All I did was:
1. stop drinking all alcohol
2. restrict carbs....about 200-250grams a day
3. protein very high 350-400grams a day
4. fat 80grams a day
5. one cheat meal a week....usually 1000cal+ and lots of carbs
6. weights every other day and cardio 2x a week 20-30min...running..

week one: begining weight 234...waist 36.5
week eight ending weight 232....waist 35-34.75

Posted by: lnvanry

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Originally Posted by young d

how's the nose YD?

Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

so you did an 8 weeker and lost weight and your waistline is smaller?? What kinda gains did you see in strength?? And is gaining weight not a goal of urs at all? Or is it just much more difficult at the size u are now?

Posted by: luke69duke69

Foreman, and TOM, how much of your diet of protein consists of Protein shakes at that high of protein per day?

Posted by: rgrmike74

i was going to start a new thread but the question would go great in here. i am using shakes to up my protein intake.... how much is too much protein in one shake? i know im gonna get flamed 4 doing this but i mix my shakes with skim milk(only way i can keep them down) so each shake has 64 g of protein. was wanting to up that some by adding more powder to each glass and just making it thicker... would that be ok or wast of money? maybe just try to add one more shake a day?

Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by rgrmike74

i was going to start a new thread but the question would go great in here. i am using shakes to up my protein intake.... how much is too much protein in one shake? i know im gonna get flamed 4 doing this but i mix my shakes with skim milk(only way i can keep them down) so each shake has 64 g of protein. was wanting to up that some by adding more powder to each glass and just making it thicker... would that be ok or wast of money? maybe just try to add one more shake a day?

64 gms is a pretty hefty shake...how much do you weigh now? I'm shootin for 300+ gms a day. So if I take in only 50 gms a meal over 6 meals I'm straight...

Posted by: luke69duke69

I usually mix three to four scoops of protein in my shaker with about eight ounces of milk. If I use four, the protein I'm using is 20g/scoop so that's 88 grams. The thing is just don't down the whole shake at once. take it in two doses if need be or drink three quarters of it as an in between meal with some cottage cheese or some kind of solid food, then drink the other quarter after an actual meal. So it's then like eating three full meals and three meals that are primarily shakes. I have the most retarded diet due to rediculous scheduling at two jobs, so it's what I'm forced to do some days. By no means am I saying it's good. Just what I have to resort to sometimes. I go to both jobs with a cooler that can hold an entire case of beer cans just for protein shakes, Ice packs and food.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin

Bench went up 30lbs in workout weight
relaxed cold chest went up from 48 1/4 to 49 1/4
cold upper arms went from 17 7/8 to 18 1/4
db rows went up 15lbs
all with losing 1 1/2-1 3/4 inches in my waist at the same time
ect

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by luke69duke69

Foreman, and TOM, how much of your diet of protein consists of Protein shakes at that high of protein per day?

3 meals real food only
3 shakes....60 protein/5 fat/ 15-25 carb
but this is only on a diet.....bulking 5 out of 6 meals would be real food

Posted by: luke69duke69

when you're running test, how drastic can you cut your caloric intake and not lose muscle. I know you can go a little more drastic than natural. Just curious. Enjoying still bulking as I hunker down on a steak..

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by rgrmike74

how much protein the body can utilize depends on many factors. whole body protein turnover isn't as high as most people think. the body adjusts protein turnover dependin on many variables.

is 64 grams of protein too much ? for about 99.9% of the population I would say yes.

Posted by: luke69duke69

LAM, are you talking even when someone is on a cycle 64grams would be too much?

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by luke69duke69

Foreman, and TOM, how much of your diet of protein consists of Protein shakes at that high of protein per day?

I have 1-2 shakes depending. I have one for sure PWO. I try to get as many meals as possible without the shakes.

Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by luke69duke69

LAM, are you talking even when someone is on a cycle 64grams would be too much?

yes..

Posted by: rgrmike74

ok i tkae 3 shakes a day at 64g per totaling 192g just on shakes. i try my best to get 100g or more from food but im limited on that b/c of my work. i can only take foods that taste good cold as i work outside and have no way to warm up food. which normally means eating 2 cans of tuna. i know my diet need a serious overide but until i can get a job that allows me more free time and the 9yr old and 4month old move out my time is pretty well spent. i have to work out when i can in the evenings which is normally when the wife is doing homework (she is in college hope fully to get a job where i can be a mr.mom) any ways i weigh 230lbs and am trying 4 300g of protein a day and am wondering if i could add protein in my shakes on the days when my daighter has fast pitch and i dont get home till to late to fix a good meal.

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Excellent work brother.

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Excellent work brother.

Posted by: luke69duke69

Rgrmike74, You can always bring tuna with you and a can opener. My coworkers think I'm a little weird keeping cans of tuna in my one drawer, but they're like 30some grams of protein per 6oz can and you can leave them . If you have access to keeping a cooler with ice packs, it allows you some more options. I've just gotten used to eating food cold if I don't have time between interviewing students to get to a microwave. I like to add mayo to the tuna so A

it tastes better and B

so it has some fat to help with absorbtion and digestion. I always get the cans of solid tuna in water, so there's not much fat to them at all. You can also, if you can keep an insulated cooler or lunchbox always pack protein bars. People gripe about the cost of them but if you hit up GNC when they have the ones that are closeouts, they're not too bad. Plus if you figure the cost compared to the same amount of nutrients in regular food, it's not that expensive compared vending machine food, or fast food.

Posted by: rgrmike74

thats wah i am saying ... i only eat tuna 4 lunch ... it gets old but everynow and then i eat cold chicken..... i cannot stand protien bars at all. might as well eat dirt. my main question was on adding more protein to my shakes to up my overall protein intake, but lam said 64g a serving was way too much per serving. now im confused as to how ppl eat 400g a day. to get 400g of protein a day eating 6 meals that would be 66.666>g per meal which according to LAM is too much per meal. so how do they get 400g per day and not wake up every 2 hours to eat ?

Posted by: LAM

down the protein and up the good fats, you don't need to eat 400 grams of protein. 1-1.5 grams per lb of LBM is all you need.

Posted by: rgrmike74

im not going 4 400g a day just wondering how it was done. some on here say they eat 400 a day.

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by rgrmike74

im not going 4 400g a day just wondering how it was done. some on here say they eat 400 a day.

We all have different opinions on protein. I follow a trainer who wants 500 grams of protein. Is this over kill, maybe but i took in over 400 grams while cutting and lost B/F. So if 400 is good for a cut, then 500 is good for a bulk. I know Mr. Lam doesn't agree with this.
Guess I'll find out as you all know, I'm on a years bulk.
Will see how things go and how all blood test and so forth end up. If all comes out good then I like my way.......protein Overkill

Tough

Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

I have HEARD, keyword "heard" don't flame me if it's way off base, that ur body burns more calories trying to break down protein or something...so if you are taking in way more than ur body can assimilate, then it will use as much as it can and get rid of the rest and burn more calories in the process...so it would make sense by this theory that overkill on protein would have a role in a cutting cycle.

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