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Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Can anyone help with a high fat diet? I was thinking that something along the lines of 20% carbs, 30% fat, and 50% protein of my total daily calories would be good, but I want to get some advice to make sure that I don't end up just getting fat and my body not feeding off the fat, and instead start eating protein. I'm also not exactly sure how many calories to eat. I'm 17, 5'6", 135 pounds, pretty muscular, though there is I'd say a couple pounds of fat I'd like to lose before really trying to bulk up. So, um, any advice would be welcome.

Posted by: w8lifter

High fat, high protein, low carb diet

Read this thread first, then if you have any questions, we can go through them here

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Thanks a lot w8. However, there's a slight problem that I realize sort of complicates things but......... I sort of am trying not to eat animal products and I have been eating legumes and veggie burgers, etc. in order to receive adequate amounts of protein, but I am not quite sure how to work in 15 grams of fat with each meal. I have flax oil with my protein supplements, but other than the dressing I put on my salad I don't know how else to add fat to my diet. Any advice would be appreciated.

Posted by: SteveDeBeave

Quote:

Originally posted by LrdViperScrpion
However, there's a slight problem that I realize sort of complicates things but......... I sort of am trying not to eat animal products and I have been eating legumes and veggie burgers, etc. in order to receive adequate amounts of protein,

Your screwed! Go get some whipping cream, add it to your protein shake and just pretend it's from a plant with udders.

Posted by: w8lifter

Well, you don't leave many options then. I guess it's flax and whey protein for your meals. When your not having whey, you can get some fat from p/b or down a tbsp of flax straight, it's not that bad really

Make your own dressing for your salad....2 tsp flax, 1 tsp olive oil, 1/2 tsp cider vinegar for each meal.

Posted by: Chalcedony

if you say your trying to avoid animal products, then you might want to know that whey protein is derived from milk, which is an animal product!

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

I have been making my own dressing of 2tsp of canola oil and red wine vinegar mixed together, but yours probably has more fat in it. Thanks.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Yeah, i know, I haven't been using whey protein but soy protein instead.

Posted by: w8lifter

LOL...yeah, duh...soy protein....can ya tell I'm not a veggie

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
LOL...yeah, duh...soy protein....can ya tell I'm not a veggie

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Hey w8, how's this for a diet along the lines of the high fat/ low carb post you made, only with vegetarian, almost vegan (except for whey protein) substitutions???

meal 1:
oatmeal w/ 3/4 cup bluebuerries
4 veggie sausage links
2 tsp flax oil

meal 2:
salad w/ tomato & 1/2 cup soybeans
1 apple
carrots

pre-workout meal 3:
4 strawberries
2 tbsp soy, 1 tbsp whey protein
1 tbsp flax

post-workout meal 4:
same as 3

meal 5:
salad w/ 1/2 cup soybeans and tomato or something similar in nutrition

meal 6:
Need advice on this one, what do you think w8???
another protein shake as in meal 3 & 4,
or
8 slices veggie turkey meat
1 tbsp flax oil

if you need any explanations as to my meal choices or any criticism, please feel free to post. Thanks.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Sorry, didn't mean to be rude. I invite anyone, not only w8 to feel free to post advice, criticism, etc.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Also, anyone knowledgeable on the subject, I was wondering if there is anyway to tell whether your body has actually begun to use fat rather than carbs, how long it takes, and perhaps how long I should continue this diet? Thanks.

Posted by: w8lifter

Quote:

Can anyone help with a high fat diet? I was thinking that something along the lines of 20% carbs, 30% fat, and 50% protein of my total daily calories would be good

Well, it doesn't seem to me that you've reached this goal, have you worked it out at all or are you just guessing...I don't know the protein counts on your meal choices, so I can't say for sure, but that's still a lot of carbs in there, I'm betting it's more than 20%.

I could be way off though, it would be easier if you could tell us the protein/carb/fat counts for the veggies 'meats' and the soybeans.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Actually, I tried to form a diet that was closer to the one in your high fat/ low carbs post. The protein as far as I have figured works out to approx. 30-40 grams per meal. The veggie sausage links have 3g carbs and 2g fiber, and the veggie turkey slices are 4g carbs, 2g fiber. Soybeans have 33g carbs, 24g fiber, 15g fat, and 27 g protein per the new 2 cup serving that I just updated. from what i have worked out i believe active carbs are just about exactly 80g a day, and per your advice i currently have no a carb-load. I would reduce carbs, but i don't know where else to cut. Anyways, any advice is welcome.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

The diet does have carbs since it is does not have anything that is just meat, but the majority of carbs are fiber.

Posted by: w8lifter

Yes, lots of fibre....the protein sources you've chosen sound good! I would say a whey protein shake w/ flax in your last meal for the higher quality protein. Also, meal 1 might have too many carbs from the amt of blueberries, but I'd be interested to hear what FC & CD have to say first.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Yeah, the blueberries I weren't quite sure about. I currently eat blueberries with my oatmeal, which tastes sooooooooooo good, so i was trying to keep them in. The nutrition info on the carton says 12g carbs and 6g fiber in 1 cup, which would mean 3/4 cups is 9 g carbs, 4.5 fiber. However, online it says that blueberries are 27 g carbs and 3 g fiber per cup. I assume it would be wiser to trust the carton I have, but that part has made me a little uneasy, as that is a HUGE difference.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Drat, I just went through it again and apparently it's over 80 g in carbs if i have 3 protein shakes. Any ideas?

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Perhaps cutting out the apple for lunch? or replacing it with strawberries?

Posted by: cytrix

does this diet get you into ketosis, if keeping it at 30g carbs per day? is it kinda like a ckd?

Posted by: w8lifter

Quote:

Originally posted by LrdViperScrpion
Drat, I just went through it again and apparently it's over 80 g in carbs if i have 3 protein shakes. Any ideas?

How much over 80 is it? Definitely cut the blueberries to 1/4 cup, but that won't cut much carb wise. Oats are 1/2 cup? Are you counting the carbs from your veggies? You could drop the carrots too.

Posted by: w8lifter

Quote:

Originally posted by cytrix
does this diet get you into ketosis, if keeping it at 30g carbs per day? is it kinda like a ckd?

No, ketosis isn't the goal here, becoming a fat burner is. If your carbs are under 30 g you should have a carb up twice a week or every 4 days.

Posted by: Fitgirl70

Hey LVS -- I have a couple of questions if you don't mind?
#1 -- Male or Female
#2 -- where in TX are you
#3 -- what are you stats
#4 -- being veggie, what does your bf look like
#5 -- how are you making those veggie sausage links

Just curious
Welcome aboard anyway.
Fitgirl70

Posted by: Robboe

"I was wondering if there is anyway to tell whether your body has actually begun to use fat rather than carbs"

You will feel more energetic and less crappy in the morning.

Do you eat tofu?

You need more protein from wholefoods imo. Nuts are a good choice.

Are eggs out of the question?

I think also you'd be better off dropping the soybeans. They seem a little too dense in active carbs if you're trying to become a fat-burner. Same for the oats really. The only carbs you should be taking in to become a true fat-burner are any active carbs that come as a by product of your protein sources and your veg and fruit. I can;t remember but i think carrots aren;t optimal choices either.

Your amount of fruit seems moderate so it's good. Salad stuff is good, but you could always add in some cauliflower or broccoli if you still get hungry.

If you do become a fat-burner you definately need to carb up every 3-4 days. On NHE you do it over the last two meals before bed to minimise lethargy and to combat any carb cravings you may get after. If these are a problem for you when sticking to diet then maybe you should consider this for your diet.

the few days it takes to become a fat bunrer aren;t the most pleasant ether, but once you've made the transition you'll feel twice as good as you do being a sugar burner.

Posted by: Robboe

by the way, how many cals is that diet?

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter

How much over 80 is it? Definitely cut the blueberries to 1/4 cup, but that won't cut much carb wise. Oats are 1/2 cup? Are you counting the carbs from your veggies? You could drop the carrots too.

I've cut the carbs to about 70-80g. I am gonna cut the blueberries down just to be safe. Oats are about 2 tbsp which allows for a good amount of protein and fiber with fewer carbs. I have been counting the carbs from the carrots and have cut back on them, however, per your post, I have not been counting the carbs from lettuce, broccoli, etc. I also did cut out the apple.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Quote:

Originally posted by Fitgirl70
Hey LVS -- I have a couple of questions if you don't mind?
#1 -- Male or Female
#2 -- where in TX are you
#3 -- what are you stats
#4 -- being veggie, what does your bf look like
#5 -- how are you making those veggie sausage links

Just curious
Welcome aboard anyway.
Fitgirl70

1. Male
2. Austin, TX
3. stats? 5'6", 137 pounds?
4. i have no idea what my bf is unfortunately
5. I buy the veggie sausage links and turkey slices from Yves that are delicious.

Posted by: w8lifter

2 tbsp of oats? That's funny, lol. I was expecting 1/2 cup

I would the carrots altogether, they turn to sugar too fast, especially when cooked.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

In response to TCD:

Yeah, the first day i felt like shite, and the last couple of mornings too.

I do eat tofu, as well as other meat replacement stuff such as veggie turkey slices and veggie sausages, i also ate something last night in stir fry but can't remember what it was called. All of them are surprisingly high in protein and very low in carbs, plus they have fiber.

Eggs are not out of the question, I am just unsure about whether or not they do the same as meat and create carcinogens when cooked.

I have two cups of soybeans, which according to the nutrition information contains 33g carbs, but 24 grams fiber, according to w8's post that's 9g carbs. I'm also not having soybeans for dinner and instead am having meat replacements which have almost no carbs and plenty of protein.

Half of my protein comes from whole foods and half comes from shakes. I have no idea if that's enough or not, was just trying to follow w8's post.

According to w8's post, if you consume 60-80g carbs you do not require a carb up.

Not trying to be rude, TCD, I'm just following the diet as closely as w8 posted it. Please, TCD or w8 correct me if I have anything wrong.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
2 tbsp of oats? That's funny, lol. I was expecting 1/2 cup

I would the carrots altogether, they turn to sugar too fast, especially when cooked.

Yeah, the oats I have say 1/3 cups has 28g carbs and 5g fiber, so I figured if i reduced them some from that it would get me under the 25g per meal rule.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Oh also, TCD, after removing carbs from fiber, the diet I believe is right about 2025 calories, or 135(about my weight) x 15, as per w8's post.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

One more question, TCD:

You mentioned nuts. What kind of nuts are good?

BTW: I also use soybeans because they are a good source of fat.

Posted by: cytrix

DOES THIS DIET BY ITSELF PREVENT MUSCLE LOSS? DO THERMOGENICS TAKEN IN CONJUCTION WITH THIS DIET HELP PREVENT MUSCLE LOSS?

Posted by: cytrix

ONE MORE QUESTION, HOW SHOULD YOU WORKOUT, WHILE ON THIS DIET? BY THE WAY, W8LIFTER, I AM IMPRESSED BY YOUR KNOWLEDGE! GREAT POSTS!!

Posted by: Robboe

"Eggs are not out of the question, I am just unsure about whether or not they do the same as meat and create carcinogens when cooked."

where did you read this?

btw, nuts: cashews, peanuts, walnuts, pisstachios, hazelnuts, brazil nuts...in fact, i'd say most, if not all nuts are pretty ace.

btw, yeah soybeans are aight. I didn;t see the fibre content.

Why are you a vegetarian by the way? principle?

And it's right about not "requiring" a carb up with that amount of carbs, but one every 7 days doesn;t hurt - may even be beneficial. You're currently on the boarder of being a fat burner and a sugar burner. This may explain for feeling crappy in the morning.

Cytrix: calorie deficit will result in some muscle loss (although muscle can be built in deficit) but the type of diet decides how much. Thermogenics aren;t muscle preserving - they just stimulate fat burning and perk you up a bit. Although they can also help gym performance cause of the effect they have on neurotransmitters - they help the "mind-muscle" connection.

Your workouts should be no different between bulking and cutting phases. A routine that builds muscle when bulking will help preserve it when cutting.

Posted by: w8lifter

Quote:

Originally posted by cytrix
ONE MORE QUESTION, HOW SHOULD YOU WORKOUT, WHILE ON THIS DIET? BY THE WAY, W8LIFTER, I AM IMPRESSED BY YOUR KNOWLEDGE! GREAT POSTS!!

Damn good post CD

Always work out to gain muscle mass!

And thanks, but I get a lot of my knowledge from Dr. Pain...he's the Mastermind w/ all the good info!

Posted by: w8lifter

Oooops...that should say Fat Cell

Posted by: Dr. Pain

Yet another slip of the tongue!

Thanks w8! I learn a lot from you too, you ROCK!

FC

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
"Eggs are not out of the question, I am just unsure about whether or not they do the same as meat and create carcinogens when cooked."

where did you read this?

Why are you a vegetarian by the way? principle?

http://www.mdihospital.org/meat.html
http://www.aicr.org/l56meat.htm
http://www.aacr.org/1000/1100/1120av.html
http://www.canoe.ca/Health0004/05_milk.html

These are just a sampling of the hundreds of postings related to HCA formation on meat when it is cooked and its relationship to cancer.

I am actually closer to vegan as I prefer not to eat any animal products at all, though I still use whey protein along with soy so I can't quite say I am vegan. I have chosen to be "vegan/vegetarian" because although I am sure that there is another side to some of this information on meat being cancerous, dairy causing cancer and diabetes, etc., I would rather not risk it. Also I am trying to follow a more natural diet, though I continue to use protein powders as I want to become ripped and muscular as well. I believe that eating raw meat is alright, I am merely against the cooking of meat, as humans are the only beings on the planet that cook meat. Also, fresh raw meat is not exactly readily available within the confines of civilization.

Posted by: Robboe

I had a feeling that HCA's were your reasoning. Thing is, how often do you leave your meat to burn when you're cooking?

I realise there's a chance of harm by cooking food, but provided you don;t scorch the food the chances are reduced. In some cases it may be more "healthier" to cook and risk it than eat raw eg chicken breast. And if you worry about HCA's then do you worry about AGE's and glycation? how about free radicals and lipid peroxidation? or trans-fatty acids? Or aspartame? If you fret over everything then the choices of foods available to you are gonna be slim.

Now as nasty as this sounds, something's gonna kill ya lol. And worrying about cooking food shouldn;t be one of 'um.

I wanna build a sexy physique and have a healthy body, but if all problems were assessed and considered then this just isn't possible. It's not like i'm continuously going out on the razz each night (although that's quite familiar right now cause i'm on easter break

) or eating "junk" foods or crap like that. For the most part my intake of "unhealth" is pretty low.

And let's not forget how contradictory medical studies are on most occasions. remember in the 80's when people decided that "fat makes you fat"? and that saturated fat is bad? and carbs are "health food" (despite carbs being responsible for so many ill-health effects in the world like diabetes, artery thickening, insulin resistance, obesity etc...)

It's up to you of couse, but as far as BBing purposes are concerned i think you're robbing yourself of a quality food by not eating meat.

Posted by: Robboe

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
and carbs are "health food" (despite carbs being responsible for so many ill-health effects in the world like diabetes, artery thickening, insulin resistance, obesity etc...)

btw, when i said " carbs" i was referring to refined carbs. Anything that has came about ever since the "flour revolution" basically.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

I wholly agree with you TCD. And yes, I do worry about refined carbs, aspartame, trans-fatty acids, etc. I definitely do not consume sugar substitutes even though sugar is not much better. As for trans-fatty acids and refined sugar, I consume them only on occasion when I feel like pigging out.

As for meat, I should probably clarify, I'm not really entirely vegan or vegetarian. As I stated earlier I have whey protein regularly. I do have meat sometimes but very rarely. I realize everyone's gonna die, I'm just tilting the scales in my favor. I also get freaked out listening to the horror stories about how sometimes tumorous meats just have the tumors cut out then are added in, or how chickens with diseases are sold. Plus, I quite enjoy the new meals I have found while trying to eliminate meat.

As far as robbing myself in the field of BB'ing, I'm actually at a point where if I could lose a little weight I'd be ecstatic where I am right now. Any future gains are just icing on the cake.

btw: What are AGE's and glycation?

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

I may die, but I'd rather death be quick about it rather than draw it out with cancer or something.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Sorry for all the posts, but I just realized eggs are not muscle, so cooking does not produce HCAs. So, I guess they are not too bad.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
And it's right about not "requiring" a carb up with that amount of carbs, but one every 7 days doesn;t hurt - may even be beneficial. You're currently on the boarder of being a fat burner and a sugar burner. This may explain for feeling crappy in the morning.

How many carbs should i be taking in to enter into afull-on fat burning state?

Also, how would a 7 day carb up help? Just curious?

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Yes, I realize it's another post by me, and that my posting on this thread has become uproarious ( i think that's how you spell it) but nonetheless i still have more questions about high fat diet. Probably should have asked this stuff before starting it...

Anyway, how quickly is fat lost on this diet/how much is lost?
I don't need to lose a whole lot, but I am curious how long I should carry it out?

Also I have been drinking about 6 liters of water a day and was curious if there is anything I need to supplement, such as vitamins, minerals, etc. that I could be losing?

I don't need to lose a whole lot of weight but my six pack is still a little obscured from the fat and I wanna enjoy it in all its magnificence and glory

Anyways, thanks.

Oh and sorry w8, I know I asked about the same question in that PM I sent, I just figured I would get more and differing viewpoints if I opened it up to the public.

Posted by: cytrix

"Cytrix: calorie deficit will result in some muscle loss (although muscle can be built in deficit) but the type of diet decides how much."

YOU SAY THAT MUSCLE CAN BE BUILD IN DEFICIT, WOULDN'T THAT BE KIND IF DIET THAT ONE SHOULD DO TO DIET AND PREVENT MUSCLE LOSS? WHAT IS THIS DIET?

"Your workouts should be no different between bulking and cutting phases. A routine that builds muscle when bulking will help preserve it when cutting."

RIGHT NOW I WORK OUT 4-5 TIMES A WEEK, HITTING EVERY MUSCLE GROUP 3 TIMES IN 2 WEEKS, OR EVERY 4-5- DAYS. SHOULD I KEEP THE ROUTINE THE SAME, BUT ONLY TRAIN EVERY MUSCLE ONCE PER WEEK?

Posted by: Robboe

2I also get freaked out listening to the horror stories about how sometimes tumorous meats just have the tumors cut out then are added in, or how chickens with diseases are sold."

Cooking the meat is actually a method of getting rid of these "diseases". That's what i was on about when i used chicken breast as an example.

AGE's = advanced glycation end products. They result from glycation. To explain glycation i've just cut and pasted a section of a biotina rticle i have coming out for wbb:

"You can basically think of it as oxidisation with glucose. The glucose molecule binds specifically with proteins which results in Advanced Glycated End products or A.G.E.s for short. These proteins can be ‘saved’ but failure to do so results in the proteins being so damaged that phagocytes (white blood cells) have to engulf them. Having to do this regularly places a strain on the body, and can hinder maintenance and repair of other parts of the body – including muscle building. An accumulation of AGE’s causes damage, more specifically, inflammation damage, which can lead to joint pain, headaches and many other symptoms. "

There's AGE's on all sorts of foods like cakes, cookies etc... basically almost anytime carbs and proteins are cooked without water present. That's a really basic explanation tho.

As far as NHE goes, to become a true fat-burner (after you've made the metabolic shift) you take in 30-60g carbs a day from indirect sources eg carbs that are by-products of protein and/or fat sources and green veg/fibre-full fruit.

And i didn;t ay a 7-day carb up, i said a carb up every 7 days. Refeeding on carbs can boost possible flagging T3 levels (by converting inert T4 to T3), carb metabolism in the hexamine pathway upregulates leptin production, getting some carbs back into your muscles can benenfit in-gym performance, and carb overfeeding generally boosts metabolism.

"Anyway, how quickly is fat lost on this diet/how much is lost?"

Depends upon the person, age, genetics, stress factors, diet planning etc... too many factors too say.

"I don't need to lose a whole lot, but I am curious how long I should carry it out?"

Until you are happy with your appearance.

and you should be ataking multivit/mineral at least once a day anyway, whether bulking or cutting.

Cytrix, i didn;t say a certain type of diet would build muscle in calorie deficit, i just said muscle building was possible in calorie deficit. There is no "best" diet. Some diets work better with certain folk.

And if that routine has built you muscle, then keep it static while you cut!

Posted by: w8lifter

Damn! And now I don't have to do a thing

Thanks CD!

Posted by: cytrix

Quote:

Originally posted by cytrix
"Cytrix: calorie deficit will result in some muscle loss (although muscle can be built in deficit) but the type of diet decides how much."

YOU SAY THAT MUSCLE CAN BE BUILD IN DEFICIT, WOULDN'T THAT BE KIND IF DIET THAT ONE SHOULD DO TO DIET AND PREVENT MUSCLE LOSS? WHAT IS THIS DIET?

"Your workouts should be no different between bulking and cutting phases. A routine that builds muscle when bulking will help preserve it when cutting."

RIGHT NOW I WORK OUT 4-5 TIMES A WEEK, HITTING EVERY MUSCLE GROUP 3 TIMES IN 2 WEEKS, OR EVERY 4-5- DAYS. SHOULD I KEEP THE ROUTINE THE SAME, BUT ONLY TRAIN EVERY MUSCLE ONCE PER WEEK?

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER THESE TWO QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANX!

Posted by: Robboe

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy

Cytrix, i didn;t say a certain type of diet would build muscle in calorie deficit, i just said muscle building was possible in calorie deficit. There is no "best" diet. Some diets work better with certain folk.

And if that routine has built you muscle, then keep it static while you cut!

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Man, w8 and TCD, you guys(/girls) are awesome!

Thank you for all the info. I dropped the morning oats, and replaced them with eggs, I guess I will survive. This has reduced my carb intake to about 40-50 g a day.

I also replaced my bedtime shake with eggs and veggie breakfast patties for the time being, to allow for more whole foods, and made my shake after working out all whey.

I am also planning on doing a carb-up every seven days to be safe. Thank a lot for all the help though.

I also seem to be settling into the diet as well as yesterday night, I was going crazy with some sort of insane explosive energy. It was great.

Posted by: Robboe

If you've dropped carbs down you may opt to go for a more frequent carb up. Give every 7 days a try for now, but if things like gym performance start to suffer real bad, increase carb loading frequency to say every 4 days maybe.

Are you taking in carbs post train?

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

I am taking in the carbs from strawberries, which I throw into my protein shakes. Plus, I eat dinner shortly after working out, so I get a few carbs from that too, TCD. I'll take that in mind and if I get too tired I'll have another carb-up.

"A carb-up consists of Old fashioned oats (1-2 cups, depending on body size), 6-8 oz sweet potato, 2 cups veggies, 1/2-1 banana & 1 tbsp fat in your last meal of the day."

W8, is this in place of your last meal or does this accompany your last meal? Just wanted to make sure, Thanks.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Anyone? Does the carb-up take the place of the last meal or is it in addition to your last meal? Need to know because today's the day I need to carb-up. Thanks.

Posted by: w8lifter

In place of your last meal.

Posted by: LrdViperScrpion

Hey, I've got another question.

I've been going strong for two weeks, but I am human, and was curious, if you start to add carbs back in your diet, will your body go back to burning carbs or will it stick with fat.

Also, in a related question, does cheating affect the fat-burning and whatnot, since it most likely adds carbs?

Posted by: Robboe

how do you mean add carbs back in?

are you talking about adding more carbs in every day or just one day?

It is much easier t become a sugar burner than become a fat burner. If you exceed the carb limit then you will become a sugar burner, so really try to stay within the limit. Obviously it depends upon the body type - some might be able to get away with it y'know.

and one cheat day every 2-3 weeks won;t do too much harm, providing you don;t go way over the top. Just make sure yu get back to diet the next day.

Posted by: cytrix

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT THE RATIO IS FOR PROTEIN AND FAT ON THIS DIET? DOES IT DEPEND ON YOUR LEAN MASS, LIKE MAYBE 1 G PROTEIN PER LB? THANX!

Posted by: epimetheus

I too like my meats as raw as I can get em...
All but chicken...ick. Thats got to be cooked.

I love a steak that moos as I cut into it..lol

Posted by: w8lifter

Quote:

Originally posted by cytrix
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT THE RATIO IS FOR PROTEIN AND FAT ON THIS DIET? DOES IT DEPEND ON YOUR LEAN MASS, LIKE MAYBE 1 G PROTEIN PER LB? THANX!

You can generally start w/ 50/30/20 p/f/c....carbs coming from protein/fat sources such as nuts (if you're doing the bi-weekly carb up). I've been at 47/47/6 before...would be at 50/50/0 if I could cut out my damn P/B

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