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Posted by: alexvega

hey people how do you interpreting this felling.




Posted by: The13ig13adWolf

interpret it??? are you asking if it's a sign of productivity?



Posted by: alexvega

yes that word .
may be what do you think about it



Posted by: The13ig13adWolf

it happens...however DOMS isn't an indicator of a successful workout.



Posted by: alexvega

DOMS
what this means?



Posted by: soxmuscle

delayed on-set muscle strain.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
delayed on-set muscle strain.
Delayed onset muscle soreness, unless I'm mistaken.



Posted by: ihateschoolmt

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
Delayed onset muscle soreness, unless I'm mistaken.
Yea, it's soreness.



Posted by: alexvega

good people , but its fine to fell it or not?

it s a little unconfortable sore, it s not like other times that you can not touch your muscle, because it hurts alot.
thanks.



Posted by: The13ig13adWolf

it's fine.



Posted by: Clayton Bigsby

I think soreness is a fairly good sign that you were at the gym. Being at the gym is good for building strength and fitness.

So, in conclusion, soreness is a good thing.



Posted by: JoeR.

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Originally Posted by The13ig13adWolf
it happens...however DOMS isn't an indicator of a successful workout.

ive heard this before, explain to me how it isnt an indicator of a good workout? Just the function of being sore, means your body has taken some slight muscle tissue micro tears right? So explain to me HOW your statement makes sense.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by JoeR.
ive heard this before, explain to me how it isnt an indicator of a good workout? Just the function of being sore, means your body has taken some slight muscle tissue micro tears right? So explain to me HOW your statement makes sense.
It's simple really. You can still have a good workout without getting sore. This means that DOMS is not the only indicator of a good workout (which many people assume). Also, just because you're sore doesn't mean you've actually done anything. Go ahead and bench every single day for a month. You'll probably be pretty sore most of the time, but that doesn't mean that you'll have benefitted in any way. I haven't gotten sore from a workout in months and I continually gain strength.



Posted by: JoeR.

Right but being sore IS a sense you when you have a workout, but it doesnt mean that if your not sore you didnt have a meaningful workout.

The bench everyday comment you made is wrong. Yea you are breaking down the tissue but your not giving yourself time to recover. Thats two differnt things, im strickly saying that being sore means you got in a good workout. Not thats the only factor, and not that your going to grow unless you give your body the right conditions.



Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by JoeR.
Just the function of being sore, means your body has taken some slight muscle tissue micro tears right?
the soreness general associated from DOMS is more likely attributed to a disturbance in calcium homeostasis than from micro trauma(s) of skeletal tissues



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by LAM
the soreness general associated from DOMS is more likely attributed to a disturbance in calcium homeostasis than from micro trauma(s) of skeletal tissues
I've never read a conclusive study on the subject. It seems to me that the real cause behind DOMS is still up in the air. Do you have a link to the study, or source, where you read that?



Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
I've never read a conclusive study on the subject. It seems to me that the real cause behind DOMS is still up in the air. Do you have a link to the study, or source, where you read that?

yea, that is what i thought too. DOMS is still a mystery.



Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
I've never read a conclusive study on the subject. It seems to me that the real cause behind DOMS is still up in the air. Do you have a link to the study, or source, where you read that?
you are right there is nothing definitive on the subject of the exact causes of DOMS however there are some very good theory's.

#1. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing rigor or high stiffness. Subsequent mechanical stretch of stiff fibers breaks desmin

#2. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing loss of calcium homeostasis. SR and mitochondria both use ATP to sequester Ca++.
Elevated Ca++ level activates calpain proteases which specifically degrade desmin filaments.

if you can find Clarkson and Sayers 1999, McArdle et al 1996 or Chleboun et al 1998, Stauber 1996 there is some good info in them



Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by LAM
you are right there is nothing definitive on the subject of the exact causes of DOMS however there are some very good theory's.

#1. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing rigor or high stiffness. Subsequent mechanical stretch of stiff fibers breaks desmin

#2. FG fibers fatigue due to depletion of CP and glycogen and/or accumulation of H+. With continued activation, ATP levels fall causing loss of calcium homeostasis. SR and mitochondria both use ATP to sequester Ca++.
Elevated Ca++ level activates calpain proteases which specifically degrade desmin filaments.

if you can find Clarkson and Sayers 1999, McArdle et al 1996 or Chleboun et al 1998, Stauber 1996 there is some good info in them

Interesting. Although isn't degrading or breaking of desmin filaments really just some form of microtrauma?



Posted by: LAM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Interesting. Although isn't degrading or breaking of desmin filaments really just some form of microtrauma?
yup...that's why DOMS has to be caused by serveral things. desmin filaments break during every day activities (walking for example) and we don't get DOMS from it



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by LAM
yup...that's why DOMS has to be caused by serveral things. desmin filaments break during every day activities (walking for example) and we don't get DOMS from it
Good stuff LAM. Thanks for the info.



Posted by: alexvega

i went to university
the biochemistry say, the
when a muscle pass from anerobic work to anaerobic, is when the productions of lactic acid happens.
thanks



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by alexvega
i went to university
the biochemistry say, the
when a muscle pass from anerobic work to anaerobic, is when the productions of lactic acid happens.
thanks
The buildup occurs during a process called lactic acid fermentation. It is a process that allows NADH to be converted to NAD+ via a redox reaction with pryuvate and recycled in glycolysis, which subsequently allows more ATP to be produced via subtrate-level phosphorylation. The end product is something called lactate. Which is actually an ionized for of lactic acid.



Posted by: alexvega

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
The buildup occurs during a process called lactic acid fermentation. It is a process that allows NADH to be converted to NAD+ via a redox reaction with pryuvate and recycled in glycolysis, which subsequently allows more ATP to be produced via subtrate-level phosphorylation. The end product is something called lactate. Which is actually an ionized for of lactic acid.
sure its happens , so the muscle with not enough preparation fall in stress. anarobic.

so your muscle were fatigueded!
thanks



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