Originally Posted by OmarJackson

guys,

what is the best pin for delt injections? I plan on injecting 2cc's a week of test enan in there. also, since i've never injected before should i split up the dosage and do 1cc 2x a week rather than 2cc once a week, just to be sure that my delts can take that much volume.

btw, i'm gonna be doing test enan 500mg/week for 15 weeks. this would be my first REAL cycle. should i include any orals or just go with the test by itself. i have some stuff leftover from before i got a source, m1t, DMT (ergomax), superdrol, 1ad.... what do you guys think? throw in one of those, or get some dbol, or just do the test by itself.

thanks.

Originally Posted by OmarJackson

guys,

what is the best pin for delt injections? I plan on injecting 2cc's a week of test enan in there. also, since i've never injected before should i split up the dosage and do 1cc 2x a week rather than 2cc once a week, just to be sure that my delts can take that much volume.

btw, i'm gonna be doing test enan 500mg/week for 15 weeks. this would be my first REAL cycle. should i include any orals or just go with the test by itself. i have some stuff leftover from before i got a source, m1t, DMT (ergomax), superdrol, 1ad.... what do you guys think? throw in one of those, or get some dbol, or just do the test by itself.

thanks.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

I wouldn't listen to anyone who tells you to throw another compound in there for you first real cycle. That just there ignorance on the proper use of gear.
Tough

Originally Posted by capinatl

I find that inappropriate, Tough. If you desire to post an alternate opinion than I, just do so and keep it at that.

I did tren and sust for my first cycle. It lasted 8 wks. This was in 2002 when I was 34 years old. None of those decisions were "ignorant".

Originally Posted by capinatl

I find that inappropriate, Tough. If you desire to post an alternate opinion than I, just do so and keep it at that.

I did tren and sust for my first cycle. It lasted 8 wks. This was in 2002 when I was 34 years old. None of those decisions were "ignorant".

Originally Posted by capinatl

I'm not debating the one or two compound theory, just pointing out the approach in your post as inappropriate.

Not that big of a deal to hijack the thread. Sorry.

Originally Posted by capinatl

I'm not debating the one or two compound theory, just pointing out the approach in your post as inappropriate.

Not that big of a deal to hijack the thread. Sorry.

Originally Posted by OmarJackson

i think that see was just telling me that i COULD add another compound to my cycle, because test is stackable with pretty much everything, i don't think he was neccessarily telling me to do so... i appreciate the help though.

plus, i don't think you can say someone was WRONG in doing a cycle. you could say that they were ill-advised or made an unwise choice, but these things are personal decisions after all.

i'm almost sure i'll do just test for my first cycle anyway, but thanks for the help.

foremanRules,
i don't see why you say that going beyond 10 weeks is stupid. your gonna be shut down anyway after that time, might as well stay on longer and solidify those gains. its not like i'm doing any dangerous methyls.

Originally Posted by OmarJackson

i think that capinatl was just telling me that i COULD add another compound to my cycle, because test is stackable with pretty much everything, i don't think he was neccessarily telling me to do so... i appreciate the help though.

plus, i don't think you can say someone was WRONG in doing a cycle. you could say that they were ill-advised or made an unwise choice, but these things are personal decisions after all.

i'm almost sure i'll do just test for my first cycle anyway

foremanRules,
i don't see why you say that going beyond 10 weeks is stupid. your gonna be shut down anyway after that time, might as well stay on longer and solidify those gains. am i wrong?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Bro I have done 25+ cycles and I can tell you every day over 8 weeks you go the more you will be shut down. I almost never do more than 8 week cycles and I hit a 550 raw bench and cold 19.75 inch arms doing that. So do the 15 weeker if you want, but I guarantee you it will give you no more gains than a 8-10 week cycle....and it will shut you down twice as long no matter what you do for pct.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

I think we are spinning our wheels with these guys. Experience doesn't mean shit to them. They just get on and post so they have something to fucking do.

Here thread starter lets really jump into the hotel. Go for the gusto and quit fucking around

Weeks 1-6 D-bol 50 mgs / ED
Wk 1-26 Test @ 2 grams / EW
Wk 1-24 deca 1500 mgs / EW
Wk 17-26 tren A 200 Eod

Then PCT

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

I tend to stay out of the back-and-forth bickering and shit talking...So I will say this:

The point in starting with one anabolic and running it for 9 weeks or so it that each cycle, it will take more to get the same effect. If you start with just test and a jumpstart(dbol or tbol, which I did for my first cycle) you will be able to add a minimal amount of another anabolic to your second cycle, if you choose to do one, and get great results again.

With your first cycle, you will be learning some of what works best for you. If you start out with two different things and something goes very well/ very bad, you won't know which one of the anabolics was doing it for you. If you start out with one thing, such as just TestE, and you get great results, you will know that you should always stick with a cycle based with TestE. If you start with two different things, like TestE and Deca such as many ill-advised people start out with, then you won't know what is working the best for you and you will be spending way too much money for a cycle.

In first cycles, you WILL make mistakes and learn a lot of things that you could never read about. Some things are unique to individuals. If you are starting out with two anabolics on your first cycle, you will run the risk of messing up with two anabolics at once, which will cause you more pain and harm than if you had a mishap with just one thing.

My advice from my experience and my research: stick with just TestE for injectables. You can add dbol or oral Turinabol if you want for a jumpstart. Whatever you decide to do, keep a journal on here so we can help you with any questions or try to prevent you from making any first-timer mistakes.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Well there we go. So you think doing Test and Tren your first cycle is smart. Have you looked at the post by foremanrules on the post from the other forums and how fucking stupid they are. So you must agree with all those stupid ass post. Here I thought you were intelligent, but now think your an idiot also.


Tough

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Look loser I hope after your 15 week cycle you can bench 275..
You are just one of the many jokes who have no ability to train hard and eat right....pathetic.

Originally Posted by OmarJackson

whoa,

all i can say is that tough old man, and dave chappelle fag are just straight up assholes...

first, no one gives a shit you were bench pressing 400 and fucking supermodels before you ever pinned for the first time, and that you've got 1000 cycles under your belt. people are here to get advice and not hear some prick suck himeself off.

tough-old-man, you ought to change your name to stretched-out-sack-of-shit, that would be a lot more fitting the images in your gallery. big fuck you to you. your attitude is absolutly retarted. i asked why not do a cylce for 15 weeks rather than 10 and then you go and make it out to be as if i asked if i should go on 3000 mgs of test/week for the rest of my life, with 200mg tren injections everyday.

capinatl, if that is you in your avatar, fucking awesome job man. maybe these fucktards should have run test and tren in their cycles like you, and then they may actually look like bodybuilders.

-i'm out.

p.s. thanks for everyone who gave real advice.

Originally Posted by OmarJackson

look asshole, you don't know the first thing about me. you're one of the many assclowns that fuck up internet boards by being unbelievably arrogant and self-important.

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Wow, this thread is a trainwreck. I hope it gets back on track. Omar: you will just have to learn to decipher the message that those guys give you. I don't always agree with their delivery, but their message always has merit. They DO know what they are talking about, they just tend to jump on guys that give advice that they feel would harm someone.

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Is that your mother in your avatar cause you sure resemble her. Do the big cycle loser as you need it.

Originally Posted by OmarJackson

ouch. <tear>

thanks for the advice, i got some advice for you fatty, stop eating. that way it might look as if you work out, let alone juice.

Originally Posted by TJ Cline

No sh1t, its the more is better bull sh1t....

I benched 405 before I ever took any steroid ( trained 7 years naturally first), and did test only, 8 week cycles for my first 3 cycles....went fron a cut natural 210 to a semi cut 245 and could bench a raw 500 ( then I hit it hard and got up to 260 and a 550 raw bench)......but these kids juice after a year of training and they cant even bench 300lbs naturally.....pathetic