Originally Posted by god hand

This is what I've been hearing and it makes sense. We all hear people say high reps build endurance, but think about it, if your doing your reps fast that's going to build up endurance more than muscle. Just my theory. Please dont get crazy.

Originally Posted by muscle_01

i think its better to do super slower eps cause its harder and u will have much better form

Originally Posted by garethhe

doing reps fast will build more muscle. here's why...

Newton's Second Law of Motion:
Force=Mass times Acceleration

take the same weight, and lift it faster, and you've got yourself more force

Originally Posted by garethhe

doing reps fast will build more muscle. here's why...

Newton's Second Law of Motion:
Force=Mass times Acceleration

take the same weight, and lift it faster, and you've got yourself more force

Originally Posted by garethhe

doing reps fast will build more muscle. here's why...

Newton's Second Law of Motion:
Force=Mass times Acceleration

take the same weight, and lift it faster, and you've got yourself more force

Originally Posted by god hand

But when doing this u are not controlling the weight during thr entire rep. It's like if bring the weight down on a BP rep real fast. Instead of u doing the work gravity is.

Originally Posted by kicka19

lifting is not simply going up, bring the weight down breaks more muscle fibers supposedly

Originally Posted by kicka19

dude, you are a moron, so is a negative not lifting?

Originally Posted by garethhe

to make a long story short, an explosive up movement breaks more muscle fibers than a slow and controlled up movement.

it is the opposite on the down movement: a slow, controlled down movement exerts more force on the muscle fibers than a fast down movement, since, as god hand pointed out, gravity does more of the work when you drop a weight quickly.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Post the studies to back up your silly opinions kid.

Originally Posted by garethhe

that is correct, a negative is not lifting. and yes, i am a moron who is familiar with the meaning of everyday words, like "lift". look it up if you don't believe me.

Originally Posted by kicka19

you do your "eplosive movements" on your 10 lbs inclines, send me the pictures of your torn pecs, ill masterbate to them

Originally Posted by garethhe

no thank you. if you choose not to believe in physics, that is entirely up to you.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I believe you are full of shit, and jumping on some bull shit band wagon.....with 0 evidence to back it up......as you have shown.....pathetic

Originally Posted by god hand

This is what I've been hearing and it makes sense. We all hear people say high reps build endurance, but think about it, if your doing your reps fast that's going to build up endurance more than muscle. Just my theory. Please dont get crazy.

Originally Posted by garethhe

in order for me to go through the time and effort to prove that using the laws of physics are relevant to building muscle, i would have to care what you think.

Originally Posted by garethhe

that is correct, a negative is not lifting. and yes, i am a moron who is familiar with the meaning of everyday words, like "lift". look it up if you don't believe me.

Originally Posted by garethhe

your rhetorical skills are stunning in both elegance and effectiveness.

i am so flamed!

as for you, kicka19, i have no further interest in participating in a disagreement that has sunk to such a sad level. the purpose of this thread was to discuss whether or not super slow reps build muscle.

Originally Posted by Mudge

The negative is neccessary for the stretch reflex response, and a quick forcefull positive. The negative also destroys more of the muscle fiber than a positive.

I'm not sure if we are agreeing here or what.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Francois Benfatto used to lift slowly, for those historians out there. I thougth he looked pretty awesome, but he was one of the tiny guys of his day. He was shredded via diet.

He lifted so slowly and perfectly he looked like a sculptor at work. In other words, it looked kinda gay and artsy.

He was striated from head to toe.

Originally Posted by garethhe

"to make a long story short, an explosive up movement breaks more muscle fibers than a slow and controlled up movement.

it is the opposite on the down movement: a slow, controlled down movement exerts more force on the muscle fibers than a fast down movement, since, as god hand pointed out, gravity does more of the work when you drop a weight quickly."

is what i said here different in any substantial way from what you are saying, Cowpimp?

Originally Posted by garethhe

"to make a long story short, an explosive up movement breaks more muscle fibers than a slow and controlled up movement.

it is the opposite on the down movement: a slow, controlled down movement exerts more force on the muscle fibers than a fast down movement, since, as god hand pointed out, gravity does more of the work when you drop a weight quickly."

is what i said here different in any substantial way from what you are saying, Cowpimp?

Originally Posted by kicka19

i will never do a fast upward or downward movement, always a controled movement or your asking for trouble

Originally Posted by garethhe

the compensatory acceleration part is where you lose me

Originally Posted by CowPimp

That's just accelerating a weight as fast as you can.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I'm not suggesting that you cannot build muscle by lifting slowly. Surely you can. However, I still feel that optimal results can be achieved by using explosive concentrics.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Dont think that I'm trying to disagree with you.

Originally Posted by god hand

This is what I've been hearing and it makes sense. We all hear people say high reps build endurance, but think about it, if your doing your reps fast that's going to build up endurance more than muscle. Just my theory. Please dont get crazy.

Originally Posted by Thunder

The primary triggers for muscle hypertrophy are mechanical load/tension, density, and total time under tension. Load and tension is simply the amount of weight lifted. The more you lift, the greater the level of intramuscular tension. The greater the intramuscular tension, the greater the amount of protein degradation and resultant amino acid uptake by your muscles.

On the topic of maximizing intramuscular tension, two other things that work to increase intramuscular tension are explosive concentric contractions and slow eccentric contractions. In a practical sense, this simply means that increasing the speed of the overcoming portion of your rep and decreasing the speed of the yielding portion of your rep will result in increased intramuscular tension.

Total time under tension is associated with volume. Note, that this doesn’t necessarily mean the time under tension of each set, but the cumulative effect of all sets over the course of a workout. Doing more sets increases the total time a given muscle is under tension. As well, manipulating the tempo of a rep also affects time under tension (i.e. longer eccentrics). While loading/tension and density are the key triggers for maximum muscle growth, sufficient – but not excessive – volume helps manifest these structural adaptations. This tends to be an important factor in the overall amount of muscle growth achieved as it results in greater levels of protein degradation.

In the end, the keys to maximum muscle growth are high levels of muscular fatigue, intramuscular tension, and motor unit activation.

Manipulate the eccentric speed, but 9 times out of 10, the concentric should be fast.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Endurance? How about altheticism and explosive power. I wasn't aware sprinters were endurance athletes.

Endurance is about slow and steady, I dont know where your theories come from bro.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Francois Benfatto used to lift slowly, for those historians out there. I thougth he looked pretty awesome, but he was one of the tiny guys of his day. He was shredded via diet.

He lifted so slowly and perfectly he looked like a sculptor at work. In other words, it looked kinda gay and artsy.

He was striated from head to toe.

Originally Posted by Thunder

The primary triggers for muscle hypertrophy are mechanical load/tension, density, and total time under tension. Load and tension is simply the amount of weight lifted. The more you lift, the greater the level of intramuscular tension. The greater the intramuscular tension, the greater the amount of protein degradation and resultant amino acid uptake by your muscles.

On the topic of maximizing intramuscular tension, two other things that work to increase intramuscular tension are explosive concentric contractions and slow eccentric contractions. In a practical sense, this simply means that increasing the speed of the overcoming portion of your rep and decreasing the speed of the yielding portion of your rep will result in increased intramuscular tension.

Total time under tension is associated with volume. Note, that this doesn’t necessarily mean the time under tension of each set, but the cumulative effect of all sets over the course of a workout. Doing more sets increases the total time a given muscle is under tension. As well, manipulating the tempo of a rep also affects time under tension (i.e. longer eccentrics). While loading/tension and density are the key triggers for maximum muscle growth, sufficient – but not excessive – volume helps manifest these structural adaptations. This tends to be an important factor in the overall amount of muscle growth achieved as it results in greater levels of protein degradation.

In the end, the keys to maximum muscle growth are high levels of muscular fatigue, intramuscular tension, and motor unit activation.

Manipulate the eccentric speed, but 9 times out of 10, the concentric should be fast.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

The important physics idea behind weight lifting is IMPULSE

Impulse = force * time

Since you are counteracting gravity, even if the weight isn't moving you have a force of 9.81 m/s^2

The longer this force is exerted, the higher the impulse force. Increasing the force without decreasing the time is impossible without increasing the weight. However you can increase the time without a large decrease in force since you have to continuous overcome gravity no matter how slow you go.

Originally Posted by god hand

You didnt give your opinon, do u think it builds muscle faster or not!

Originally Posted by Nick+

I also wonder if he did ever take steroids?.Many years ago in a Weider (Muscle and Fitness from Autumn 1993 I think) I remember reading he didn't want to get into Pro BB{maybe because of all the steroids and shit}.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

The important physics idea behind weight lifting is IMPULSE

Impulse = force * time

Since you are counteracting gravity, even if the weight isn't moving you have a force of 9.81 m/s^2

The longer this force is exerted, the higher the impulse force. Increasing the force without decreasing the time is impossible without increasing the weight. However you can increase the time without a large decrease in force since you have to continuous overcome gravity no matter how slow you go.

Originally Posted by Mudge

Sprinters are powerfull and muscular, endurance athletes who train slower and for longer periods are not.

Originally Posted by Nick+

I also wonder if he did ever take steroids?.Many years ago in a Weider (Muscle and Fitness from Autumn 1993 I think) I remember reading he didn't want to get into Pro BB{maybe because of all the steroids and shit}.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I agree 23% Newton had huge muscles and was a big sports fitness guy