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Posted by: mrA

just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?



Posted by: P-funk

sounds like a great question. thanks for starting a thread.



Posted by: Thunder

Come ON!



Posted by: NEW_IN_THE_GAME

well i just bought arnolds pumping iron, and it shows him getting blazed after his last win, when he retired. so who knows



Posted by: kenwood

hahaha fuckers..hell yeah smoking a big fat blunt and lifting jeah



Posted by: mrA

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Originally Posted by NEW_IN_THE_GAME
well i just bought arnolds pumping iron, and it shows him getting blazed after his last win, when he retired. so who knows

ya i seen that, but i thought thats when he is done n doesnt give a fuck...



Posted by: P-funk





Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by mrA
just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?





Posted by: The13ig13adWolf

got to be kidding me with this thread...



Posted by: kenwood

how about lifting and doing crystal meth?



Posted by: kicka19

i blaze inbetween set in my younger days, talk about a lack of disipline, i did like 2 more sets and went home and playd madden, it has no atvantages



Posted by: mrA

wow so much hate... so i'll take it as a bad idea...?>



Posted by: DOMS

"I don't care why you started smoking. I don't care what you are smoking. I don't care how many you smoke a day. Until you stop you're a fucking idiot."



Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by mrA
wow so much hate... so i'll take it as a bad idea...?>

well, it is really a health board and I have never heard of smoking anything being healthy at all. So, get real.



Posted by: mrA

true....



Posted by: DanK

Most people who have smoked pot can think of at least one time when they were drinking something, in a fairly large glass, and could barely lift it. The glass isn't heavier, and maybe you can concentrate really hard on those muscles needed to lift that glass and cure your cotton mouth... but the benifits of all that 'concentration' are lost when you realize most of the weights in your gym that are similar in weight to a glass of liquid are also pink and made of rubber... and in day care area with the other kids toys... that and smoking anything will jack up your lunges, it's about as ridiculous as action movies where someone goes from smoking a pack of cigs to chasing down a car on foot.



Posted by: CowPimp

Sadly, I have done this before. This was a long time ago before I was really serious about lifting and I took it in a class in my freshman year of high school. I was only 13, so I declare ignorance.

To be honest though, it really didn't decrease my performance at all. Actually, I quite liked it. The slight anesthetic effect seemed to make it so I had a higher lactic acid threshold, and proprioception did seem to be increased to some degree.

By the same token, it took a lot more willpower to actually finish working out; Hell, to get started for that matter. Haha.



Posted by: sabre81

hahaha. THis subject title reminds me of something Jon Stewert could have said in the movie Half Baked. "Have you worked out, ON WEEEED."






Posted by: Carl Nevins

Smoking is bad habit. Try smoking a joint while doing 20 rep squats.



Posted by: Stu

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Originally Posted by Carl Nevins
Smoking is bad habit. Try smoking a joint while doing 20 rep squats.
ok i try that im sure they wont mind me smoking weed in the rack



Posted by: Zac_Champigny

Well, lets just pretend you use a vaporizor and the bad health effects are taken away. I would still not trust myself if I smoked and lifted. I would be afraid that I would do something stupid and hurt myself. I Just think it would be a stupid idea in general. Not to mention that after you smoke your gonna eat a ton. Mix that with alot of excersize, and you'll probobly be eating alot of unhealthy food in excess after.



Posted by: kicka19

vaporizores do not take all the "bad stuff" out



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by kicka19
vaporizores do not take all the "bad stuff" out
Actually, they do. All carcinogens are contained in the plant material. The strikes against your health come in the form of the burnt plant material, not the chemicals contained in the residue on the plant material (THC, CBD, CBN, etc.).



Posted by: The13ig13adWolf

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Actually, they do. All carcinogens are contained in the plant material. The strikes against your health come in the form of the burnt plant material, not the chemicals contained in the residue on the plant material (THC, CBD, CBN, etc.).
stop promoting drug use...



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by The13ig13adWolf
stop promoting drug use...
I'm just telling the truth. I'm promoting responsible drug use, if that is your decision.



Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by mrA
just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?
It does concentrate your muscles but from my understanding it's not healthy to do so. I'm told your blood vessels are affected in some manner. Besides why be an idiot and smoke weed anyway. If you want to lift while on drugs use steroids not weed. Maybe PCP would help too...



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
I'm just telling the truth. I'm promoting responsible drug use, if that is your decision.
I don't believe drugs can really be used responsibly. They cause the drugged to do things they wouldn't normally do and impair the decision-making process. This may be what police officers, etc. parrot to other people, but it's true. When you've seen others throw away their lives because of what started off as 'responsible drug use' it doesn't seem very responsible or something to promote anymore...



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I don't believe drugs can really be used responsibly. They cause the drugged to do things they wouldn't normally do and impair the decision-making process. This may be what police officers, etc. parrot to other people, but it's true. When you've seen others throw away their lives because of what started off as 'responsible drug use' it doesn't seem very responsible or something to promote anymore...
What do you call occasional drinkers? That is responsible drug use. I hate the term drugs and alcohol. Alcohol is a drug, and a very serious one at that. In fact, I will go so far as to say that it is worse than the vast majority of illegal drugs.

I am a responsible drug user. I refuse to do any drug I have not researched. Pretty much at this stage of the game I just stick to pot with only the very rare foray into anything else. Furthermore, I will not smoke pot unless I have taken care of everything I need to do for the day: exercise, studying, work, etc. If I don't have time to smoke, then I don't. I generally end up only smoking on the weekends.



Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I don't believe drugs can really be used responsibly. They cause the drugged to do things they wouldn't normally do and impair the decision-making process. This may be what police officers, etc. parrot to other people, but it's true. When you've seen others throw away their lives because of what started off as 'responsible drug use' it doesn't seem very responsible or something to promote anymore...
That is a very general statement and not in any way always true. Not all drugs impair decision making processes. Not all drugs are "mind altering." And the ones that are...don't impair thought processes any more than excess alcohol, which is legal...and looked down upon less for some reason. It always comes back to the person....the person can get drunk and go driving or get drunk and call a cab...a person can smoke up everyday in college and fail all their classes or they can smoke everyday in order to help them concentrate. I have friends that have done both.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
What do you call occasional drinkers? That is responsible drug use. I hate the term drugs and alcohol. Alcohol is a drug, and a very serious one at that. In fact, I will go so far as to say that it is worse than the vast majority of illegal drugs.

I am a responsible drug user. I refuse to do any drug I have not researched. Pretty much at this stage of the game I just stick to pot with only the very rare foray into anything else. Furthermore, I will not smoke pot unless I have taken care of everything I need to do for the day: exercise, studying, work, etc. If I don't have time to smoke, then I don't. I generally end up only smoking on the weekends.
It's just that it really isn't always the person that makes the difference. Sometimes they are affected by the same amount of alcohol in a much different way. They should see how it will affect them before continuing to drink, but not everyone has that common sense. With other drugs, this can easily happen and make the person addicted. Not everyone researches what they do. In fact, I'd say it's a very tiny percentage that does.

Many people who appear to be responsible users really are addicted and don't think there's anything wrong with it. I know someone whose parents drink all the time. They're not drunks, but they drink a lot and they're not always in the right state of mind because of it. When I first realized what was happening, it broke my heart to tell you the truth. It's just my experience that use usually turns into abuse. That's why I think avoiding it altogether is best.

I was definitely only talking about certain drugs. I tend not to be specific enough when I say things like this...



Posted by: Jodi

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Originally Posted by kenwood
how about lifting and doing crystal meth?
Oh most definately. That would be way better than the weed. Doncha think? Geez why didn't I think of that.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
It's just that it really isn't always the person that makes the difference. Sometimes they are affected by the same amount of alcohol in a much different way. They should see how it will affect them before continuing to drink, but not everyone has that common sense. With other drugs, this can easily happen and make the person addicted. Not everyone researches what they do. In fact, I'd say it's a very tiny percentage that does.

Many people who appear to be responsible users really are addicted and don't think there's anything wrong with it. I know someone whose parents drink all the time. They're not drunks, but they drink a lot and they're not always in the right state of mind because of it. When I first realized what was happening, it broke my heart to tell you the truth. It's just my experience that use usually turns into abuse. That's why I think avoiding it altogether is best.

I was definitely only talking about certain drugs. I tend not to be specific enough when I say things like this...
You are providing examples of irresponsible drug use. Yes, plenty of people use drugs irresponsibly. However, at the same time, plenty of people drive irresponsibly, use firearms irresponsibly, eat food irresponsibly, etc. You can be irresponsible with any activity you do. Drugs as a whole get bastardized because certain ones are physically addicting. Oddly enough, some of the most physically addicting drugs on the planet are the legal ones in most countries (Nicotine and alcohol). That's because the lawmakers use them too.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

I know. It's just that most people who use them probably abuse them. Think of how many people actually use recreational drugs responsibly as compared to the number of irresponsible users. I'd bet the irresponsible users is the bigger group. Most people are just fugging stupid.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I know. It's just that most people who use them probably abuse them. Think of how many people actually use recreational drugs responsibly as compared to the number of irresponsible users. I'd bet the irresponsible users is the bigger group. Most people are just fugging stupid.

A bigger group of people voted for the wrong candidate as president last year (ie., GW Bush), does that mean we should revoke everyone's right to vote?



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I know. It's just that most people who use them probably abuse them. Think of how many people actually use recreational drugs responsibly as compared to the number of irresponsible users. I'd bet the irresponsible users is the bigger group. Most people are just fugging stupid.
Total speculation. The media just likes to perpetuate the myth that the typical drug user a bum getting warm by a trashcan fire or some guy tripping and jumping out of a building. They don't like to show you the businessman who responsibly uses cocaine. They don't like to show you the guy who has a couple of beers now and again. They don't like to show you the straight A students who smoke pot reasonably.

Seeing as how you are obviously not a user in any capacity, you don't see what I do. Yes, there are a Hell of a lot of people who shouldn't be using drugs. At the same time, there are a Hell of a lot of people who do it right. The people who do it right are more low-key about it, and therefore are less prone to the judgemental eyes of their peers.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
A bigger group of people voted for the wrong candidate as president last year (ie., GW Bush), does that mean we should revoke everyone's right to vote?
No, we should just shuttle everyone who voted for Bush into outer space. They can start their own fucked up nation on the moon.



Posted by: Jodi

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
No, we should just shuttle everyone who voted for Bush into outer space. They can start their own fucked up nation on the moon.




Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
No, we should just shuttle everyone who voted for Bush into outer space. They can start their own fucked up nation on the moon.

Actually, you forgot about Poland.



Posted by: Nate K

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Total speculation. The media just likes to perpetuate the myth that the typical drug user a bum getting warm by a trashcan fire or some guy tripping and jumping out of a building. They don't like to show you the businessman who responsibly uses cocaine. They don't like to show you the guy who has a couple of beers now and again. They don't like to show you the straight A students who smoke pot reasonably.

Seeing as how you are obviously not a user in any capacity, you don't see what I do. Yes, there are a Hell of a lot of people who shouldn't be using drugs. At the same time, there are a Hell of a lot of people who do it right. The people who do it right are more low-key about it, and therefore are less prone to the judgemental eyes of their peers.
Exactly, I agree 100%



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Actually, you forgot about Poland.
Doh!



Posted by: squanto

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I know. It's just that most people who use them probably abuse them. Think of how many people actually use recreational drugs responsibly as compared to the number of irresponsible users. I'd bet the irresponsible users is the bigger group. Most people are just fugging stupid.
Actually, you are wrong. I've done a lot of research on this subject, and wrote a few papers on it. Take cocaine for example... yes, a very addictive drug. But only about 3% of people who use cocaine use it on a regular basis... and most use it as little as once a year.

However, irresponsible drug users are much more visible than responsible ones. You can't really tell if someone's a responsible drug user, because they're not always using drugs! They use drugs in the comfort of their home, they don't drive on drugs, and they get up and go to work every day.

Now don't get me wrong... I am not condoning the use of cocaine. Personally, I think it's too much risk for too little gain. However, I don't think everyone who uses it is doomed to a horrible life of drug addiction. The problem is, noone knows if they could potentially become addicted, there is no way to tell. So the wisest people would steer clear of drugs like these altogether.

On another note... I used to work out high a lot. It didn't make me lift more, but it didn't seem to hurt anything. Now, I wouldn't take like 8 bong hits and go work out, but I'd get a little buzz going. I found that it made it a little more fun to work out... So yeah, you could do it if you want to i guess, but it's not going to give you special powers.



Posted by: ST240

This guy i know gets baked outta his tree and works out. I always see him at the gym and he looks soooooo stoned. He's pretty built too.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by squanto
So yeah, you could do it if you want to i guess, but it's not going to give you special powers.
Wrong. It gave me x-ray vision.



Posted by: kicka19

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Wrong. It gave me x-ray vision.
It gave me good grammar.



Posted by: aceshigh

OK HERES SOME INFO FOR U BITCHES,,,when u smoke some weed,,,test levels rise dramatically for about 1hour and half,,,then they drop below estrogen levels for about 2 days,,,so in reality pot can be used for bb,,,smoke before u lift,,and u will havew high levels of test,,during a workout,,,then 20mg of nolva 1 and a half hours after your last bong ,,,,,,,,u will look like ronnie in less than 3 weeks ,,,i promise u that,,,and gaurentee it with foremans life



Posted by: kicka19

i have heard that its lowers test level, i havent heard it lowers it below estorgen levels, nor have i heard the lower last for two days, this doesnt make much sence seeing as i smoke at least 3-4 times a week, so i should have redic low test levels? i doubt this



Posted by: squanto

I used to smoke every day but I stopped cuz it made me grow a vagina.



Posted by: aceshigh

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Originally Posted by kicka19
i have heard that its lowers test level, i havent heard it lowers it below estorgen levels, nor have i heard the lower last for two days, this doesnt make much sence seeing as i smoke at least 3-4 times a week, so i should have redic low test levels? i doubt this
well its obviously turned u into a bitch



Posted by: smallfry

why dont you smoke pcp then put 500 on bench get someone to pick it up over you then let it go ....you wont feel a thing but then you would have to worry about is beeing able to breathe with a shatter rib cage



Posted by: squanto

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Originally Posted by smallfry
why dont you smoke pcp then put 500 on bench get someone to pick it up over you then let it go ....you wont feel a thing but then you would have to worry about is beeing able to breathe with a shatter rib cage
genius.



Posted by: soxmuscle

it will be funny when squaggle is peer pressured into drinking or smoking some time throughout his high school tenure.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
it will be funny when squaggle is peer pressured into drinking or smoking some time throughout his high school tenure.
Haha. I don't get it.

I must say this has changed some of my thoughts in quite a substantial way. It was definitely speculation on my part (basically all of it). This is a very interesting topic to me and I always like to put my thoughts into the pot o' stew, even if they're totally off base. My opinion is still of a negative nature - I still think most people are way too stupid to do most everyday things they're trusted with, and I'd shudder to think what they'd do with drugs of any kind that change anything mentally or physically. I don't even think most people with a license should be allowed to drive.



Posted by: WantItBad

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
it will be funny when squaggle is peer pressured into drinking or smoking some time throughout his high school tenure.
Thats awesome nick name for ya squatbogglin



Posted by: TriZZle305

Ive done it before too.. some time when i was in middle school.. i just did the 45 pound bar though.. kindof an experiment i was curious.. lol i had a high spotter so it wuznt dangerous or stupid i promise.. but i did it a lot of times.. however im sure my count was unreliable considerin i was high



Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
However, at the same time, plenty of people drive irresponsibly, use firearms irresponsibly, eat food irresponsibly, etc.
None of which are addictive psychotropic drugs.



Posted by: DOMS

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
A bigger group of people voted for the wrong candidate as president last year (ie., GW Bush), does that mean we should revoke everyone's right to vote?
And you think John Kerry was the right one?! That dumbfuck couldn't make a decision if his life depended on it.



Posted by: Decker

I've w/o while 'altered' and I liked it. Then again, I like doing almost anything in altered states. But that's me. I don't compete and I lift for fun.



Posted by: Zac_Champigny

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Originally Posted by cfs3
And you think John Kerry was the right one?! That dumbfuck couldn't make a decision if his life depended on it.
Obviously Kerry's votes were to please constituants, which does not make him a dumbfuck. Bush's inablilty to speak words, or do many things right makes him a dumbfuck.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by cfs3
None of which are addictive psychotropic drugs.
I realize this, but I was merely making a point that anything can be done irresponsibly. You must also realize that no drug addicts the majority of people who try it. In fact, the drug with the highest rate of addiction is nicotine (Approximately 1/3 of people who try them).



Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by mrA
just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?
Your a complete fucking idiot. This site is dedicated to bodybuilding, not the use of recreational drugs.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by Zac_Champigny
Obviously Kerry's votes were to please constituants, which does not make him a dumbfuck. Bush's inablilty to speak words, or do many things right makes him a dumbfuck.
I'd rather have a president with the ablility to make a decision than one with the ability to publicly speak. After all, the only things that really matter in life are the things you write down...



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I'd rather have a president with the ablility to make a decision than one with the ability to publicly speak. After all, the only things that really matter in life are the things you write down...
Oh he can make decisions alright. Wrong decisions.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Oh he can make decisions alright. Wrong decisions.
Better than doing nothing. I'd rather go to war than sit on my ass and wait for the next attack.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
Better than doing nothing. I'd rather go to war than sit on my ass and wait for the next attack.
If you didn't know, Iraq is not connected to Al Queda. As well, they didn't have weapons of mass destruction. The reason we attacked them is because we didn't want them to do to us what we did to them. We were wrong. All these deaths based on a false pretense? Sounds like a pretty horrible decision to me.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

Actually I'm very behind when it comes to the news. Not one single person from Al Queda was hiding in Iraq and had to move because of troops moving in? What about Hussein? He wasn't exactly a good leader. What if they did have weapons of mass destruction? Isn't it better to at least check? Plus we've been trying to catch the Taliban, etc. - would Kerry have said not to do that too? Seems kind of stupid.

Personally, I think we should train our citizens to get pissed off at anyone who threatens us. For example, someone breaks into your house. You get a few bats with barbed wire tied around them and wake everyone up and give them one of these weapons. You do whatever it takes to kill, decapacitate, etc. the thief. If this happens enough, people aren't particularly going to want to try breaking into houses anymore. Same thing with a plain - have every person get absolutely pissed at whoever tries to hijack it. They can only take out so many of the people on the plane before they die, really. Crazy? Yes. Effective? Yes. Muahahhahaha... I'm in a really weird mood today.



Posted by: Decker

I like to lift when I'm 'altered.' ....this looks familiar. I think I was here before.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
Actually I'm very behind when it comes to the news. Not one single person from Al Queda was hiding in Iraq and had to move because of troops moving in? What about Hussein? He wasn't exactly a good leader. What if they did have weapons of mass destruction? Isn't it better to at least check? Plus we've been trying to catch the Taliban, etc. - would Kerry have said not to do that too? Seems kind of stupid.
The question is not as to whether or not there is a single person in Iraq that belongs to Al Queda. There is no question that there is. However, there is also no question that there are members of Al Queda in the US. A few people doesn't warrant a war.

I never said Hussein was a good leader. Throwing out dictatorships is not something the US typically does. We like to install dictatorships. There were obviously other reasons for going to war with them.

You make it sound so easy to "at least check" for weapons of mass destruction. Those few little words equate to killing tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens. What if everyone on the planet decided that whenever they suspected someone of doing something bad they should attack them? We would be in perpetual war throughout the glove. Pre-emptive war is wrong. Period.

I don't know what Kerry would have done. Speculating on that is pointless. The point is that the results of Bush's decision are not favorable.


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Personally, I think we should train our citizens to get pissed off at anyone who threatens us. For example, someone breaks into your house. You get a few bats with barbed wire tied around them and wake everyone up and give them one of these weapons. You do whatever it takes to kill, decapacitate, etc. the thief. If this happens enough, people aren't particularly going to want to try breaking into houses anymore. Same thing with a plain - have every person get absolutely pissed at whoever tries to hijack it. They can only take out so many of the people on the plane before they die, really. Crazy? Yes. Effective? Yes. Muahahhahaha... I'm in a really weird mood today.
Analogies like this don't really equate to that of international foreign relations, sorry.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
The question is not as to whether or not there is a single person in Iraq that belongs to Al Queda. There is no question that there is. However, there is also no question that there are members of Al Queda in the US. A few people doesn't warrant a war.

I never said Hussein was a good leader. Throwing out dictatorships is not something the US typically does. We like to install dictatorships. There were obviously other reasons for going to war with them.
That was basically my point there. It wasn't the only reason.

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
You make it sound so easy to "at least check" for weapons of mass destruction. Those few little words equate to killing tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens. What if everyone on the planet decided that whenever they suspected someone of doing something bad they should attack them? We would be in perpetual war throughout the glove. Pre-emptive war is wrong. Period.
I don't remember tens of thousands of people dying when they sent teams in to check with their permission. This didn't involve any attacks. I could be thinking of something else entirely though. I don't believe pre-emptive war is always wrong. If you know someone is going to attack you, why would you wait?

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
I don't know what Kerry would have done. Speculating on that is pointless. The point is that the results of Bush's decision are not favorable.
Speculating on that is actually very relevant to the argument - we were comparing Bush and Kerry in the first place and it'd be interesting to know what he would have done. That is, if he could make a decision... His results were favorable in that he liberated an entire country from a dictator and set up a democracy. Even the Iraqi people agree with that.

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Analogies like this don't really equate to that of international foreign relations, sorry.
It wasn't an analogy. It's just my opinion of what we should do.



Posted by: maniclion

Not a good idea, why would you want to take something to relax when you're about to get active, would you take a handful of Zanaflex and go for a swim? Granted I've had weed that made me feel somewhat hyper, but most times I am completely relaxed and wouldn't want to ruin that by fighting upstream to get a workout in. Other words you're wasting a good high by not going with the flow of it, besides when you smoke it you burn most of the THC anyhow you're better of cooking with it in butter. And limit your use cause you don't need to use it all of the time, in fact I only like to use it when I have time to sit back and reflect on things kind of like a shamanistic use.



Posted by: The13ig13adWolf

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Originally Posted by Zac_Champigny
Obviously Kerry's votes were to please constituants, which does not make him a dumbfuck. Bush's inablilty to speak words, or do many things right makes him a dumbfuck.
opinions are like assholes...

why is this ridiculous thread still alive???



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
That was basically my point there. It wasn't the only reason.
Yeah, but they should have shared the other reasons with us. Bush has a hidden agenda to attack Iraq before he got in office. He is quoted as saying that he was determined to attack Iraq just as he got into office.


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I don't remember tens of thousands of people dying when they sent teams in to check with their permission. This didn't involve any attacks. I could be thinking of something else entirely though. I don't believe pre-emptive war is always wrong. If you know someone is going to attack you, why would you wait?
Well yeah, and they should have continued with the inspections. Also, we obviously didn't know. You better be damned sure that someone is going to attack you before you attack them. Even so, I still feel it's wrong. What if you were wrong? There is always that chance. It's not worth risking in my opinion. We're talking human lives if you're wrong.


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Speculating on that is actually very relevant to the argument - we were comparing Bush and Kerry in the first place and it'd be interesting to know what he would have done. That is, if he could make a decision... His results were favorable in that he liberated an entire country from a dictator and set up a democracy. Even the Iraqi people agree with that.
I never compared them. I simply said Bush is a horrible president. Certainly it would be interesting, but we will never know. Also, did the ends justify the means? It's so easy to say these things without considering all the deaths that occured, the current state of turmoil in Iraq, the economic ramifications for this country, etc.


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It wasn't an analogy. It's just my opinion of what we should do.
Yeah, and you used an analogy to explain it. Even so, you think it is proper to make an example of Iraq just so that other countries don't attack us? You don't think it's going to piss people off that we went to war on totally false pretenses? I think it's going to lead to more terrorism if anything.



Posted by: Zac_Champigny

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I'd rather have a president with the ablility to make a decision than one with the ability to publicly speak. After all, the only things that really matter in life are the things you write down...
So what your basically saying is you would rather have a president who makes his choices based on what he wants, rather than one that listens to his party and voting base? OH.



Posted by: Joseph

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Originally Posted by mrA
just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?
My work out partner and I used to smoke when we first started working out severel years ago. We would smoke right before our workout. It was like a ritual. Now that I look back I didn't much care for working out meaning it like any other activity to continue on a regular basis takes discipline which was not something I liked but I did like smoking which connected to the body building helped me actually to discipline myself to workout because I always looked forward to the smoking which avetually overrided my diselike of bodybuilding. Of course I had to discipline myself not to do the stuff after ahwile but in the mean time the body building stayed. Hope that helps.. I don't smoke anymore before my workout just in case anyones wondering.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by Zac_Champigny
So what your basically saying is you would rather have a president who makes his choices based on what he wants, rather than one that listens to his party and voting base? OH.
Kerry didn't know what he was for, but he knew he was against Bush. That's pretty much it.

CowPimp:

The president doesn't always have reasons he can tell everyone. Maybe he didn't want certain people to find out, etc. Not every reason is one that can be safely revealed.

Well, it basically comes down to which human lives. Attack them and maybe be wrong and kill their citizens, or see what happens and maybe lose some of your own. That's a hard decision to make and it's easy to say your choice would differ when you're not the president and you don't know everything he does.

I still don't see how what I said was an analogy. It wasn't meant to be one and I never said we should use that for foreign relations.



Posted by: P-funk

how did this thread go political?



Posted by: Yanick

lol i was thinking the same thing.



Posted by: ihateschoolmt

I smoked like 2 grams the other day and worked out, the only reason it affected me was because 2 grams was a little much and made me tired.It's not a good idea to work out high if you are just starting to smoke though.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
CowPimp:

The president doesn't always have reasons he can tell everyone. Maybe he didn't want certain people to find out, etc. Not every reason is one that can be safely revealed.
Nonsense. I was kind of implying reasons like getting Haliburton no bid contracts for "restructuring" Iraq (The company which Dick Cheney still receives money from annually), the assertion of global dominance, racism toward Islamic people, etc.

The thing is he bullshitted the information he had. He lied about Iraq having connections with Niger, saying they purchased materials for the manufacturing of WMDs. In fact, the director of the CIA George Tenet told him not to use this information in his speech to America because it wasn't solid, but he used it anyway. He also said Iraq has connections to Al Queda, which is totally fabricated. There is no evidence as such.

If you can think of any other possible hidden reasons for war, please share them.


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Well, it basically comes down to which human lives. Attack them and maybe be wrong and kill their citizens, or see what happens and maybe lose some of your own. That's a hard decision to make and it's easy to say your choice would differ when you're not the president and you don't know everything he does.
The situation might be different if there was sufficient evidence to indicate an attack. However, we didn't have it; Bush bullshitted the information. We also lacked international support. If you are going to goto pre-emptive war, then you better be damned sure they are going to attack and you better have international backing. No, his bullshit coallition of the willing doesn't count. That isn't international backing. For the most part, that is token support from a bunch of nations who couldn't afford to do otherwise.


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I still don't see how what I said was an analogy. It wasn't meant to be one and I never said we should use that for foreign relations.
I think it was clearly an analogy, but whatever.



Posted by: cappo5150

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
I smoked like 2 grams the other day and worked out, the only reason it affected me was because 2 grams was a little much and made me tired.It's not a good idea to work out high if you are just starting to smoke though.
Dude, if you smoked two grams by yourself. You're a champ.



Posted by: FranktheTank

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Originally Posted by cappo5150
Dude, if you smoked two grams by yourself. You're a champ.




Posted by: IronmanE311

I think that it does help you concentrate on your muscles while lifting. It almost feels like you can do as many reps as you want. But it is harder to finish a good workout and do really heavy weight. It sure does make your post workout shake taste great tho.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by cappo5150
Dude, if you smoked two grams by yourself. You're a champ.
Damn straight. That's like 2 fat white boys to the dome.



Posted by: ihateschoolmt

2 grams isn't that much really. People use 1/8's for brownies all the time. (3.5 grams).



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
2 grams isn't that much really. People use 1/8's for brownies all the time. (3.5 grams).
Yeah, but those bathces usually get split among a few people. Not to mention you better be prepared for some sleeping if you eat strong brownies.



Posted by: ihateschoolmt

Hell ya dude, anything over 1 gram of dank and I'm sleepy in a few hours.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

It's simply ridiculous to think the president knows nothing unsafe for the general public to know. The NSA and CIA are full of secret information dealing with foreign relations. We can't and don't know what they do; the president can and does. It's that simple. I'm not saying he did have secret reasons, but saying that's nonsense is nonsense in itself.



Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by mrA
just wondering, would this be a such a bad idea? i have seen it in movies like American buety, i hear u can really concentrate on your mucles. can someone help me out?
I didn't see American buety, was it anything like American Beauty



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
It's simply ridiculous to think the president knows nothing unsafe for the general public to know. The NSA and CIA are full of secret information dealing with foreign relations. We can't and don't know what they do; the president can and does. It's that simple. I'm not saying he did have secret reasons, but saying that's nonsense is nonsense in itself.
Just don't be telling yourself there are hidden reasons for going to war to make yourself feel better about him lying about the ones he gave us. That's all.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Just don't be telling yourself there are hidden reasons for going to war to make yourself feel better about him lying about the ones he gave us. That's all.
I can't believe you're naive enough to believe that the president tells the public everything he knows. That's simply laughable.



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
I can't believe you're naive enough to believe that the president tells the public everything he knows. That's simply laughable.
Hardly! I never said that. My point was that we shouldn't just blindly go into war based on fabrications and the potential for further hidden information.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Hardly! I never said that. My point was that we shouldn't just blindly go into war based on fabrications and the potential for further hidden information.
Maybe we went into war blindly, but he didn't...



Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
Maybe we went into war blindly, but he didn't...
Yeah:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

A couple of people on his cabinet and the vice president are part of an organization that is for taking over the planet, basically.



Posted by: maniclion

Only physical activities worth doing while stoned are A)Playing A Musical Intrument and B)Fucking anything else feels too much like labor.



Posted by: aceshigh

ill be manufacturing bud tabs ,,each tab will have a little bud innit



Posted by: aceshigh

they wont actally do anything for u physically except turn u into a bitch,,,but mentally u will think u are a hard mofo



Posted by: maniclion

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Originally Posted by aceshigh
ill be manufacturing bud tabs ,,each tab will have a little bud innit
If someones going to buy pills to get stoned then they'll just scoop up some E, or Vike or Percs hell even Ambien. So wh yspend more for a THC overpriced bud pill?



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
Yeah:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

A couple of people on his cabinet and the vice president are part of an organization that is for taking over the planet, basically.
Oh well. Better than the French. Hehehe...



Posted by: ASSPUNCTURE

certain muscle groups that take more mind/muscle seem to be easier to target prior



Posted by: TJ Cline

I smoked a joint before a workout once, I was 17...I remember doing DB press....my buddy started laughing at me???? he said "you have been talking the entire set and have done 20+ reps so far... So at the time it seems it made my reps go up big time..


PS: I have never taken or sold an illegal drug in my life, this story is about a "dude" I know and is not me.



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working out on weed.


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