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Posted by: SuperFlex

Do they exist? And if so how effective are they?

Posted by: Mudge

Guns are safe in the hands of those who know how to use them.

Posted by: alexvega

so we know how it work!

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

Dude just about any drug can be considered safe when taken correctly. Do some research and you will learn.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Dude just about any drug can be considered safe when taken correctly. Do some research and you will learn.

Help me out here man. Where should I look and what exactly should I look into?

Posted by: min0 lee

I wish there was one that wouldn't harm my already fragile liver.

Posted by: NEW_IN_THE_GAME

look into your age, your experience, and your nutritional foundation. and if you are not at least 25 look into a psyciatrist

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Guns are safe in the hands of those who know how to use them.

True... I actually carry two at all times.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I wish there was one that wouldn't harm my already fragile liver.

What about HGH?

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by NEW_IN_THE_GAME

look into your age, your experience, and your nutritional foundation. and if you are not at least 25 look into a psyciatrist

Kid, I can call you that because I'm 26...

You would be extremely hard pressed to find better genetics than what I've been blessed with....... That said this fact only magnifies my curiousity for finding ways to get as big as humanly possible...

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

What about HGH?

Hmmm...That doesn't harm the liver?

Posted by: NEW_IN_THE_GAME

sorry bro ,i didnt know your age. and if your genetics are good. and you are still growing naturally why try roids. wait till you cant grow anymore naturally then hit the juice good. this way you will get as huge as possible.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Hmmm...That doesn't harm the liver?

try it...

You might grow a new one...

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by NEW_IN_THE_GAME

sorry bro ,i didnt know your age. and if your genetics are good. and you are still growing naturally why try roids. wait till you cant grow anymore naturally then hit the juice good. this way you will get as huge as possible.

Very true, very true... It's just appealing my friend. Looks like you're going to be a monster!

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

Do they exist? And if so how effective are they?

The safest anabolic would be FOOD.

You have the internet, why don't you put in anabolic steroids in your search engine and do a little reading like the rest of us do. Hell your 26 yrs old and most likely know how to read.

Posted by: brogers

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I wish there was one that wouldn't harm my already fragile liver.

is this a joke? Testosterone has no effect on your liver.

Posted by: kicka19

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Originally Posted by brogers

is this a joke? Testosterone has no effect on your liver.

i have heard other wise

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Well answer me this. What kind of steroids did you take as a gay wrestler? Wanna make sure I stay away from that because it obviously doesn't do shit... Anyhow to answer your smartass remarks there is more to read than I have the time to spend on reading it. I was looking for some straight forward advice from those who are in the know. So if you want to have a chat with me come correct or don't come at all...

Posted by: brogers

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Originally Posted by kicka19

i have heard other wise

you heard wrong

1996 Bhasin et al in the NEJM 600mg Test Cyp a week: no alterations in liver values

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by brogers

is this a joke? Testosterone has no effect on your liver.

No, it's not a joke at all. My knowlegde in steroids is nil so forgive my ignorance.
It's ironic though but I have hepatitus C and the only way I can honestly say I got is from twice using a needle...once for testosterone and another was for drug experimentation.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by brogers

you heard wrong

1996 Bhasin et al in the NEJM 600mg Test Cyp a week: no alterations in liver values

Is this correct?

Posted by: Stu

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Is this correct?

no

all androgens effect HDL and LDL

Endocrine control of plasma lipoprotein metabolism: effects of gonadal steroids.

Posted by: min0 lee

I know I shouldn't be in this nieghborhood but I saw this thread and it interested me.....

Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by NEW_IN_THE_GAME

look into your age, your experience, and your nutritional foundation. and if you are not at least 25 look into a psyciatrist

25?? Are you kidding? Some of us aren't just doing this for fun kid. I want to step on stage before I'm 30

Posted by: Nick+

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I wish there was one that wouldn't harm my already fragile liver.

same here

Posted by: Stu

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I wish there was one that wouldn't harm my already fragile liver.

something like deca shouldnt really harm your liver. I remeber talking ot a a guy in the medical field who said he would happily regularly prescribe small amounts of deca to any male over 40, he felt the positive effects far out weighed the negatives.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by Stu

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What Is Deca Durabolin? Deca-Durabolin has for a long time been the drug of choice for bodybuilders and strength athletes because of its ability to quickly add muscle, decrease body fat levels and relieve joint problems. It is also believed to have fewer undesirable side effects than other anabolic steroids.

Deca is frequently preferred to testosterones because of a lesser aromatization to estrogen and lesser androgenic side effects like acne, increased body hair growth and acceleration of male pattern baldness - if you are predisposed to this condition.

Bill Phillips (The Editor of Muscle Media 2000) actually claimed that he would take one cycle of Deca a year to help improve his overall physical health. Many highly respected doctors and medical professionals share this same high opinion of DECA DURABOLIN because of its lack of side effects, low toxicity, and extreme effectiveness. Although Deca Durabolin is very popular... it is very hard to obtain on the street.

I

Posted by: min0 lee

Is that what your talking about?

Posted by: Stu

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Is that what your talking about?

yep

although contrary to what the article says it is certainly not difficult to obtain. It seems to have got a bad rep recently because of people abusing it, i know alot of the old guys stil love the stuff. Some guys used to use as little as 200mg every 2 weeks and still see steady gains.

Posted by: min0 lee

Thanks for the info, I'll still do some more research on this just to make sure.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Thanks for the info, I'll still do some more research on this just to make sure.

Lmk what you find out...

Or maybe I should listen to the old timer and look into this one as well...

Posted by: min0 lee

Cool! We can both take turns shooting each other in the butt.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Cool! We can both take turns shooting each other in the butt.

I'd like that...

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

I'd like that...

Don't get to happy now, I meant needles not the love dagger.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Don't get to happy now, I meant needles not the love dagger.

I know silly...

Posted by: brogers

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Originally Posted by Stu

no

all androgens effect HDL and LDL

Endocrine control of plasma lipoprotein metabolism: effects of gonadal steroids.

Bhasin et al:

The four groups were similar with respect to age and weight, height, and body-mass index before treatment. Acne developed in three men receiving testosterone and one receiving placebo, and two men receiving testosterone reported breast tenderness, but no other side effects were noted. The serum liver-enzyme concentrations, hemoglobin concentrations, hematocrits, and red-cell counts did not change in any study group. Serum creatinine concentrations did not change, except in the testosterone-plus-exercise group, in which the mean (±SE) serum creatinine concentration increased from 1.0 mg per deciliter (88 µmol per liter) to 1.1 mg per deciliter (97 µmol per liter) (P=0.02). Plasma concentrations of total and LDL cholesterol and triglycerides did not change in any study group; plasma HDL cholesterol decreased significantly in the placebo-plus-exercise group. There was no change in the serum concentration of prostate-specific antigen in any group.

This is on 600mg of Test Cyp/wk for 10 weeks. Any questions?

Posted by: Stu

Id like to see more than one study, people have blood test results which paint a different picture

Posted by: Stu

Effects of Testosterone on Lipid Peroxidation, Lipid Profiles and some Coagulation Parameters in Rabbits*
N. Aydilek1,3 and M. Aksakal2
Summary

The purpose of this study was to investigate the effects of testosterone on some risk factors of atherosclerosis. Twenty-four male New Zealand white rabbits were randomly divided into three groups of eight. The first group was used as control. Second group was injected with 10 mg of testosterone propionate. Third group was castrated bilaterally. At the end of 6 weeks, lipid peroxidation (LPO), lipid profile, fibrinogen (FBN) level and coagulation parameters were evaluated. Testosterone administration decreased the level of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (HDL-C), while castration increased this level (P < 0.05). Triglyceride (TG) and total cholesterol (TC) levels in the castration group were significantly higher (P < 0.05) than those in the testosterone group. The ratio of HDL-C:low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C) decreased, while TC:HDL-C ratio increased (P < 0.05) in the testosterone group. No significant differences were found in the LDL-C and FBN levels among groups. However, there was a tendency for higher FBN level in the testosterone group. Testosterone administration resulted in an increase in the level of LPO (P < 0.05). Clotting time and prothrombin time prolonged in the castration group compared with testosterone group (P < 0.05). As a result, testosterone has exacerbating effect on atherosclerosis risk factors including lipid profile, LPO, FBN and coagulation system.

Posted by: brogers

That study is on Rabbits

That study I posted uses bodybuilder doses, for 10 weeks, it's a common cycle. Most importantly though, it was performed on humans, not rats of rabbits.

Believe what you want. I have seen some information indicating a statistically significant, but practically-speaking insignificant change in HDL, with testosterone therapy, however.

Bhasin's study is the best one performed regarding steroids, and it indicates no changes, what more can you ask for?

Posted by: TJ Cline

You take 100 asprin, I will take 100 Anadrol and lets see who lives..

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

Help me out here man. Where should I look and what exactly should I look into?

Go into the cycle section of different boads and see what new users have taken with positive results. I would start by searching Testosterone cycles, and PCT. You can even read the stickys on the top of this forum for that. Use google and read stuff you find there....you will find more info then you can ever read. I would say look into a testosterone only cycle for your first time...and get your PCT plan down before you think about starting. Research all the possible side effects to the drugs you plan to take so you know what can happen, and then make sure you know what to do about the sides you may have.

MinO - I doubt that testosterone levels will effect your liver enzyme levels. I would ask a doctor if you have access to one that is open to talking about HRT or steroid use. What you could do is get on a cycle of a moderate dose and get some blood work done...I assume with your HEP C you probably get that checked often anyways. You could run some Milk Thistle with it...you probably should be taking it anyways.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

Thanks for the advice man.

Looks like it's time to cycle your dog off for awhile...

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

My pleasure....the dog is all natural....that is genetics for you cause my dog is lazy. I can't imagine what he would look like if I actually worked him. I wouldn't put the dog on gear but if I did he would become insanely huge...and probably cocky as hell.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

MinO - I doubt that testosterone levels will effect your liver enzyme levels. I would ask a doctor if you have access to one that is open to talking about HRT or steroid use. What you could do is get on a cycle of a moderate dose and get some blood work done...I assume with your HEP C you probably get that checked often anyways. You could run some Milk Thistle with it...you probably should be taking it anyways.

I'll ask a close friend of mine and he may know of one.
I have been using milk thistle for a while already even before surfing here. Thanks.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

My pleasure....the dog is all natural....that is genetics for you cause my dog is lazy. I can't imagine what he would look like if I actually worked him. I wouldn't put the dog on gear but if I did he would become insanely huge...and probably cocky as hell.

A laid back pit. That's rare man... I'm looking at getting a dog now and was considering a pit. They're usually just too high strung for me. Sounds like you got a good one. Think I've decided on a German Rot. Looked at an Akita, Lab, and Huskey as well.

Is your dog pretty well mannered or mean as hell?

Posted by: Mudge

Bad bulking diets probably have more effect than testosterone.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Bad bulking diets probably have more effect than testosterone.

What do you mean big man?

Posted by: Mudge

Diet has an affect on the liver, injectables (non 17aa) for the most part do not.

You've seen Supersize Me right? I figure every health geek must have seen it at least once, I bought the DVD.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Diet has an affect on the liver, injectables (non 17aa) for the most part do not.

You've seen Supersize Me right? I figure every health geek must have seen it at least once, I bought the DVD.

No I haven't to be honest. Sounds like it's a must...

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Diet has an affect on the liver, injectables (non 17aa) for the most part do not.

You've seen Supersize Me right? I figure every health geek must have seen it at least once, I bought the DVD.

That's true, did you know that with Hep C. you are not supposed to drink coffee nor eat chocolate.

Posted by: Mudge

That I did not know.

I would be curious though if chocolate has drug-like qualities that go beyond the added sugar.

Coffee though, thats interesting. Its truly amazing how many variables there are with the human body, and something people often forget is that we are all DIFFERENT.

Ronnie Coleman we might find out someday to be on 30 grams of testosterone per week, but even 250mg can send some peoples cholesterol to premature burial land.

Supesize Me is not a spectacular movie or anything like that, but out of curiosity its worth at least one watch. Diet affects your blood, I thought every nutcase on here knew that. If you didn't, keep reading, because if I know that and I dont know shit, you should read son.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by Mudge

I first heard this from my sister when she was caring for my other sister who also had Hep C. (she passed away because of it 4 years ago) and I really didn't believe until I asked my doctor and he said it was true....I also googled it.

Posted by: Mudge

I had a friend with naturally high liver values, her mother died of cirhossis and was not a drinker.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

He has been a good dog since day one. He was house broken by the end of his second day in my house. I got him at 10 weeks old. He went from 8lbs to now 85lbs and a 24" head. My dog is very friendly with people and wonderful with small children. He is not so good with other animals. I trust him around other animals when I am around but I would never leave them alone together. I would put a lot of thought into getting any dog, and give the pit more consideration. They are an amazing breed of dog with interesting history behind the breed. Whatever type of dog you buy make sure you get it from the best breeder you can. Its going to cost you money but its worth it in the long run when you end up with a great pet. Lou (my dog) is turning 5 this March and he is full of energy when we play tug of war or whatever, but unless we are playing a game he is very lazy.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

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Originally Posted by Mudge

That I did not know.

I would be curious though if chocolate has drug-like qualities that go beyond the added sugar.

Coffee though, thats interesting. Its truly amazing how many variables there are with the human body, and something people often forget is that we are all DIFFERENT.

Ronnie Coleman we might find out someday to be on 30 grams of testosterone per week, but even 250mg can send some peoples cholesterol to premature burial land.

Supesize Me is not a spectacular movie or anything like that, but out of curiosity its worth at least one watch. Diet affects your blood, I thought every nutcase on here knew that. If you didn't, keep reading, because if I know that and I dont know shit, you should read son.

That super size me flick is a good show when it comes to the reality of fast food diets on your health. Other then that its retarded.

I am sure these pro BBers take huge doses of drugs, and their genetics allow them to grow well on juice. We all respond differently to drugs but IMO these guys are still putting their health on the line. The doses and number of drugs these pros take is insane and must have some negative impact on their health don't you think? It will be interesting to see if the BBers of today will live the long lives some of the previous pros in Arnolds era are living.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563

That boy has a head on him...

Posted by: Supermans Daddy

Since this thread said safe steroids, I'm gonna skip all tha high tech rap and say that I've always been schooled that Primobolin, and anavar would be tha really safe ones.

As far as those pitts, I'm a pitt man myself. I've got a colby/carver male 61lbs , pure white and mean as hell. My homie has his brother and gave him 25mg EQ for 5 weeks. Results were he weighs 76 lbs , looks like a K9 Dorain Yates and unbelievably even tempered. I thought about it wit my dog but he's already crazy as hell.

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

I've heard about guys giving dbols to their pitts to get them huge....I am happy with the size of my dog now...and I wouldn't want to give him something that may change his temperment for the worse. He is very good with people but other animals is a different story. He isn't fond of any animal.

I've seen 110lbs pits without an OZ of fat on them....and they looked AMAZING....I am sure gear was used....not to mention the dog was pulling 12K pounds on a sled. (pulling contest)

Posted by: min0 lee

That's what a Pit was bred for, to fight another dog.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

That's what a Pit was bred for, to fight another dog.

I have to clean out a home this Friday where there are three pits. One is about as big and mean as I've ever seen. He's white and tan. He kicks up dirt while threatening to try and eat you. I'll have my .45 in pocket...

Posted by: min0 lee

Some just look mean but are just teddy bears.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Some just look mean but are just teddy bears.

You can come help...

Posted by: min0 lee

I was attacked by a pit.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I was attacked by a pit.

No kidding? Hope you beat it's ass!

Posted by: min0 lee

Nope, he kicked my ass. I realize now he could have done more damage if he wanted to.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Nope, he kicked my ass. I now realized he could have done more damage if he wanted to.

Yep, I'm taking my .45...

Posted by: min0 lee

Are you a dog catcher?

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Are you a dog catcher?

I'm a beaver hunter...

Posted by: FishOrCutBait

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Originally Posted by Mudge

Guns are safe in the hands of those who know how to use them.

Thank you. PERFECT ANALOGY

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by SuperFlex

I'm a beaver hunter...

Posted by: TrojanMan60563

If a pit is agressive towards people for no good reason its because they were trained to do that or they are inbred dogs that should have never been born. My dog was $2K and comes from some of the best bloodlines in the world. He has always been super friendly with people and amazing with children. He has done some amazing things to display his ability to determine good and bad situations. For example my GF and I were going through Belmont Harbor to get to the Chicago air and water show and some bum was staggaring towards us with a bottle in hand drunk slurring his words. My dog stopped walking about ten feet from him and all his hair raised and he let out a warning growl that made the man piss himself...needless to say he turned and walked away from us. Another instance is where a buddy of mine had adopted an abused pit and he was over with his dog. We were letting our dogs play around closely supervised to make sure they were not hurting eachother....well my dad comes home and opens the front door....his dog ran towards the door growling and ready to attack my father. My dog Lou took off after his dog and took him to the ground by his neck before his dog reached my father. I was amazed to say the least. Growing up my dog has been such a great dog and never showed any bad habbits or agressive behavior towards people....at about 1 year he was no longer able to be taken to dog parks to play because of the animal agression pits have in most if not all cases. Some do better then others, and my dog is good for a greet and thats about it. Playing always turns to fighting especially with males. He does ok with females.... I had often wondered if my dog would step to the plate if something or someone was trying to hurt me or a family members. After the above mentioned things happened I have no doubt that my dog would put his life on the line for me. I wouldn't buy another breed of dog again. I am hooked on pits.

Moral is you get what you pay for....and if you get a good one there is no need to teach them to protect you. Their extreme love for their family will bring out the protective side when its needed. These dogs have very good judgement when left alone....once you train one for protection it is no longer a pet and should be used more as a machine....and should never be allowed around children.

In the right hands these dogs can be wonderful...given to the wrong people they can cause death as you've probably heard on the news etc... IMO we need to start blaming the owners of these animals rather then trying to ban them or blame them.

Posted by: min0 lee

I was attacked by my own Pit last summer, did I lose my love for them.....nope.
I think I know now why he attacked me.

Posted by: min0 lee

This is his daughter, she's now 9 months old. She has a good temperment like her mother.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I was attacked by my own Pit last summer, did I lose my love for them.....nope.
I think I know now why he attacked me.

I'd shoot that fuckin dog in a minute...

Posted by: Tough Old Man

All anabolics are going to have some risk factor. I think maybe anavar would be one of the safer choices. JMO

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