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Posted by: kraziplaya

hey bros..
wanted to cut some weight and use clen/t-3 to help...
80mcgs to 120mcgs of clen sounds high for a first time user...do you think i can get good results with 60mcgs a day of clen and 75 mcgs a day of t-3?
i want to run the clen for a month solid and then quit and use eca for the rest of the way...but i do want to stay on t-3 for an additional month becaus i will be using test to cut with...


Posted by: kraziplaya

planning an 8 week cycle of test e but using prop for the first two weeks..


Posted by: PWGriffin

Quote:
Originally Posted by kraziplaya
planning an 8 week cycle of test e but using prop for the first two weeks..
With clen I've always heard 2 weeks on 2 weeks off...don't know anything about the other stuff sorry..


Posted by: kraziplaya

i heard the 2 on 2 off but i also heard you can usually get a good 3-4 weeks out of it too


Posted by: TJ Cline

I ran T-3 on my last deca cycle at 75-100mcg.....didn't like how I felt at 100 after a few weeks so droped it to 75mcg for the last half of the cycle.

Clen I don't really know, have not run it in 4 years but back then I think I did it 4 weeks at 80??


Posted by: Tha Don

i didn't like clen one bit, not worth the sides IMO and very over-rated, i won't ever touch it again, i can get far better results from caffeine, a good diet and plenty of cardio

as for t3 never tried it so can't really comment, but i've heard that you should run it no longer than 6-8 weeks max, and taper off very slowly


Posted by: Stu

T3 works well when your diet is spot on

clen 2 weeks on 2 off cycled with ECA is effective.


Posted by: DQGear

when you came off the T3 - did you put on alot of fat? everyone that I've known to do it got FAT as soon as they came off


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by DQGear
when you came off the T3 - did you put on alot of fat? everyone that I've known to do it got FAT as soon as they came off
Then they were lazy


Posted by: NEW_IN_THE_GAME

Clen at 100 for 2 weeks then 25mg ephedrine,200mg caffeine for 2 weeks, then back to clen then to eca.

week 1: clen
week 2: clen
week 3: eca
week 4: eca
week 5: clen
week 6: clen
week 7: eca
week 8: eca

eca stops the lethargic feeling after clenbuterol is used.

then go down to just caffeine, then none unless you use caffeine pre workout.

dont drop cals too much tho, you will feel like shit, as for t3 iunno too much, so i will let someone else answer. good luck


Posted by: CRASHMAN

while running t3, i heard that you wouldn't want to go over 50mcgs of clen.


Posted by: CRASHMAN

also, you could get some Ketotifen fumarate and run the clen for a lot longer. personally, i'd get some albuterol and run it. with a shorter half life, you will not have the work out crippling side effect in which you would have something with a longer half life like clen. I would suggest workout in the AM then take your albuterol after to avoid the ATP drain.... clen really sucked ass for that reason with me.... and you could also load up on potassium and taurine to avoid that side effect of the clen; i know it worked better than nothing for me.


Posted by: CRASHMAN

you could also try that new melting point stuff from designer supps if you hate the ECA crash like i do... I've personally never tried it but i've heard good reviews and its better than a hole in the head


Posted by: CRASHMAN

young D posted this a little while back about an 8 week cycle with t3

T3

Days 1,2: 50mcgs
Days 3,4: 75mcgs
Days 5-18: 100 - 125mcgs
And HERE IS THE CRITICAL STAGE:
The SLOW taper. This is CRITICAL so that TSH levels
are allowed to adapt to the dosage so that there is no crash.
Days 19-22 : 125mcgs (or 100 depends on your max)
Days 23-26 : 100mcgs
Days 27-30: 75mcgs
Days 31-34: 50mcgs
Now, SUPER-SLOW(TSH will be VERY sensitive to ANY T3 now)
Days 35-41 : 37.5mcgs
Days 42-48 : 25 mcgs
Days 49-56 : 12.5 mcgs

8-weeks total.

also, you could use gugglesterones for PCT(for the t3) if you would like studies have shown an increased output by the thyroidb as a result of using them


Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRASHMAN

T3

Days 1,2: 50mcgs
Days 3,4: 75mcgs
Days 5-18: 100 - 125mcgs
And HERE IS THE CRITICAL STAGE:
The SLOW taper. This is CRITICAL so that TSH levels
are allowed to adapt to the dosage so that there is no crash.
Days 19-22 : 125mcgs (or 100 depends on your max)
Days 23-26 : 100mcgs
Days 27-30: 75mcgs
Days 31-34: 50mcgs
Now, SUPER-SLOW(TSH will be VERY sensitive to ANY T3 now)
Days 35-41 : 37.5mcgs
Days 42-48 : 25 mcgs
Days 49-56 : 12.5 mcgs

8-weeks total.
I'm a firm believer that tapering down is absolutely pointless.


Posted by: CRASHMAN

hey, atleast it saves you some for next time


Posted by: Tha Don

Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
I'm a firm believer that tapering down is absolutely pointless.
so you advise just stopping like that? one day 125mcg of t3, the next day nothing? that dosen't sound too smart to me, correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you want to avoid a major crash in the thyroid post t3 use? isn't that how people end up on thyroid replacement therapy for the rest of their lives?


Posted by: TJ Cline

You have to taper T-3, my Doctor even told me this......go talk to a pharmacist about it if you really want am informed answer.


Posted by: topolo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
You have to taper T-3, my Doctor even told me this......go talk to a pharmacist about it if you really want am informed answer.

If I want an uninformed answer can I talk to you?


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by topolo
If I want an uninformed answer can I talk to you?
I will make it up as I go


Posted by: topolo

you always do!


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by topolo
you always do!



Posted by: Devlin

Quote:
Originally Posted by young d
so you advise just stopping like that? one day 125mcg of t3, the next day nothing? that dosen't sound too smart to me, correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you want to avoid a major crash in the thyroid post t3 use? isn't that how people end up on thyroid replacement therapy for the rest of their lives?
Definitely taper the T3 down. I don't believe you have to go as strict as young-d posted, but going from 100mcg to none will cause some unconfortable side effects such as weight gain, mood swings, letheragy, hair loss until your thyroid kicks back in. The thyroid "crash" is not caused by not tapering off T3. The crash is caused by actually using T3. When one takes T3 it cause the pituitary to decrease production of TSH. The decreased TSH levels cause less natural T4 and T3 to be produced by the thyroid. The decreased TSH basially starts to shut the thyroid down when T3 is used long term.


Posted by: Tough Old Man

Look taper up on the T-3 and then taper back down. I'm also not a fan of Clen.
Personally I never run it longer then 29 days. I start off at .25, .50,. 75, .100 thru 26th day and then .75, .50, .25. I also felt like shit @ 100 and no longer do more then .75 ED.

Mudge sould ring in on this about the Clen.


Posted by: ag-guys

Quote:
Originally Posted by DQGear
when you came off the T3 - did you put on alot of fat? everyone that I've known to do it got FAT as soon as they came off
they should have done more cadio, more dieting

AG
www.ag-guys.com


Posted by: samat631

ive read anything over 50mcg of t-3 can really mess up your thyroid



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