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Originally Posted by Jodi
I have to agree.
I think our offseason has been very poor. I'm really disappointed in what I've seen so far.  They need to do something right, NOW! |
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Dealing Miguel Tejada within the division remains a road the Orioles would rather not go down, but the Red Sox, according to a source with direct knowledge of the team's pursuit of the shortstop, have made a ''pretty good offer" that has positioned them as a legitimate contender for the 2002 American League Most Valuable Player. The Sox recently offered Manny Ramírez and righthander Matt Clement, according to the source. -- Boston Globe |
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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon
So if this trade happens, who takes left field, and who gets that spot in the rotation?
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Originally Posted by Flex
As of right now, we have John H. starting at SS and Johnnny starting in Center.
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Originally Posted by Flex
S.Muscle,
I don't see why you think i'm nuts, bro. As of right now, we have John H. starting at SS and Johnnny starting in Center. They better start doing something or it's gonna be a rebuilding year for a few years to come. |
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Originally Posted by Flex
. As of right now, we have John H. starting at SS and Johnnny starting in Center.
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For a second there you almost had me checking your roster.
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Originally Posted by ANCAM
Clement would be no loss, he is to the red sox what Carl Pavano is to the Yankees.
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Originally Posted by ANCAM
Clement would be no loss, he is to the red sox what Carl Pavano is to the Yankees.
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Originally Posted by Flex
PLEASE make this trade and salvage our offseason! |
They need to do something right, NOW!
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Originally Posted by Jodi
I have to agree.
I think our offseason has been very poor. I'm really disappointed in what I've seen so far. They need to do something right, NOW! |
but great for us yankee fans. 
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
jodi, my girl, why are you dissapointed?
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
As a baseball fan I have to say that what you guys had was special, Manny is manny but he was a part of a great team, now to slowly see it dismantled is sad for us baseball fans
but great for us yankee fans. The team that I will keep an eye on this coming year are the Blue Jays......... |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
jodi, my girl, why are you dissapointed?
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
As a baseball fan I have to say that what you guys had was special, Manny is manny but he was a part of a great team, now to slowly see it dismantled is sad for us baseball fans
but great for us yankee fans. |
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Originally Posted by Flex
Not knocking you here personally, Mino, just NY fans in general.....
I think it's hilarious how NY fans bash everything the Sox do (Damon's beard, Sox being idiots, "Manny being Manny" etc.), and then later bash the Sox for stopping it (trading Damon, looking to ship Manny etc.). Again, I'm not saying you, b/c my boys do it all the time. Whatever they do is "wrong". |
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
The team that I will keep an eye on this coming year are the Blue Jays.........
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Originally Posted by Jodi
Theo, Johnny, bad trades, etc. etc., blah!
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Originally Posted by ANCAM
Red SOx fans do the same thing...its just an on going thing that is never going to stop. Yankee fans are going to do it as long as the yankees are in NY and boston fans are going to do it as long as the red sox are in boston.
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
As for trades, how can you say there bad? trading a 34 year old back-up catcher for a player of Mark Loretta's caliber? trading renteria who never was comfortable in boston for a guy that is compared to Wade Boggs?
Not to mention there are still 3 months left until the season starts. relax, gang. |
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Originally Posted by Flex
I'm not freaked out. I mean picking up Loretta is a HUGE addition. The guy is an awesome 2nd baseman and was only underrated b/c he was in no-man's-land San Diego.
Plus, yes, you're right, there are 3 months left. Its just we do need a CF, SS and Manny wants out. So pull that Tejada trigger already! |
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Originally Posted by Flex
Not knocking you here personally, Mino, just NY fans in general.....
I think it's hilarious how NY fans bash everything the Sox do (Damon's beard, Sox being idiots, "Manny being Manny" etc.), and then later bash the Sox for stopping it (trading Damon, looking to ship Manny etc.). Again, I'm not saying you, b/c my boys do it all the time. Whatever they do is "wrong". |
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Originally Posted by Flex
Its just we do need a CF, SS and Manny wants out. So pull that Tejada trigger already!
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
the dismantling, haha - just because the red Sox no longer are second to the Yankees for the oldest team in baseball, and dont pay 13 million dollars for a noodle arm in center where they had had trouble for the last two seasons with Bernie doing the exact same thing..
again its too early to tell, but if the red Sox make the moves i think they'll make, the red Sox will finish ahead of the Yankees next year. |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Manny's staying, confirmed by ESPN, redsox.com etc.
hell yeah! |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Manny's staying, confirmed by ESPN, redsox.com etc.
hell yeah! |
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Originally Posted by JOHNYORK
if we kall red sox fans idiots its becasue they are....i think yankee fans like myself get annoyed with people from boston that consider this a rivalry becuase its not win a championship 25 more years in a row hahaaaaaaa
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Originally Posted by Flex
That's good and bad.
Of course we want his bat. But though he's made big improvements in the field, the guy's a straight up dick and he doesn't hustle. I have mixed emotions about this guy. I understand it's a business and he just wants to make as much $ as possible, but shit, cut it out already. |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
answer this: when was the last time the yankees won the world series?
and then this: when was the last time the red sox won the world series? scoreboard says "soxmuscle one, this assclown zero." |
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Originally Posted by ANCAM
1918 until now red sox 1
1918 until now Yankees..chasing 27. That wasnt the best question to ask. |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
the fact of the matter is that the Yankees have been poorly ran the last few years, and haven't won a world series in a long time.
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Originally Posted by ANCAM
I actually agree with you on that one.
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As Manny's world turns, so too does Red Sox Nation's stomach. In case you missed it, there was another "trade me, don't bother, well, on second thought do what you can" flip-flop by Manny Ramirez this past week, leaving the multi-headed Red Sox upper management team further perplexed over what to do with their enigmatic slugger. The Manny dilemma is symptomatic of the entire Red Sox offseason. It is Jan. 8 and the Red Sox still do not have a shortstop to replace the two they traded (Hanley Ramirez and Edgar Renteria), a center fielder to replace Johnny Damon (with whom they allowed themselves to get outmaneuvered by the Yankees) or a suitable closer to allow Mike Timlin to go back to setting up. Do they have a plan? Surely, they understand that Red Sox Nation is getting nervous, especially since the departure of Theo Epstein has led to the perception of an "over-its-head" front office engulfed in chaos and indecision. It's hard to believe that owner John Henry and CEO Larry Lucchino could allow the world championship euphoria of 2004 to evaporate so quickly. Knowing Henry and Lucchino, there is a plan, and a somewhat grandiose one at that. The problem is they're hamstrung by Ramirez and frustrated by the intransigent Tampa Bay Devil Rays. Regardless of all the contradictory reports and statements coming out of the Dominican Republic, Ramirez absolutely wants out of Boston. If you must know, it's a Mrs. Manny thing. The Red Sox want to accommodate - but their options are severely limited, if they are to get back equal value for 145 RBI, especially now that Miguel Tejada has reversed course and told the Orioles he no longer wants to be traded. Before Tejada's conversation with Baltimore GM Jim Duquette yesterday, the basics were there for a Ramirez-for-Tejada deal as the Orioles needed an outfielder after Jeromy Burnitz signed with the Pirates and became the latest free agent to spurn them. Before Tejada's change of heart, Duquette, understood how much the moral of other players in the clubhouse would be undermined by a disgruntled team leader. With Tejada no longer an option, the Red Sox are prepared to go with Alex Cora at shortstop, figuring, if nothing else, they'll have solid defense there and a cheaper alternative to signing Alex Gonzalez (and his career .292 on-base pct.). They've pretty much exhausted talks with the Devil Rays about Julio Lugo. Nothing has changed in Tampa Bay in terms of trading with the new regime. They talk about being open to trading Lugo, Aubrey Huff and Danys Baez - all of whom are coming up on free agency and clearly are not part of the Devil Rays' future beyond next season - but their idea of acceptable offers for lame-duck players are top prospects they can control for 4-5 years. As for center field, the Red Sox are holding top third base prospect Andy Marte as a chip to get Coco Crisp from the Indians (who need to first get an outfielder from somewhere else), or they still believe that they can get Jeremy Reed from the pitching-needy Mariners in a deal involving Bronson Arroyo. All of this, however, remains a wait-and-see proposition for the Red Sox, and they could wind up striking out all over, while having no choice but to keep Ramirez and his miffed missus. If so, then Plan C is apparently to try to hang in there next season with pitching (relying heavily on top prospects Jon Papelbon, Jon Lester and Craig Hansen to fill out the rotation and handle the closer duties should Keith Foulke not make it back) and defense (they're prepared to let newly signed J.T. Snow handle the bulk of the duty at first base). What were they thinking? The Red Sox are not the only team to have had a bad winter, just the most prominent in terms of recent past performance and annual great expectations. Start with the three worst signings of the offseason: The Cubs' $16 million three-year deal to Jacque Jones, whose on-base pct. the past four seasons has declined steadily from .341 to .319. The Phillies' admittedly desperate, three-year, $18 million deal to 38-year-old "closer" Tom Gordon, who barely made it through last season as a setup man for the Yankees. And the Mariners' $37.5 million deal over four years to Jarrod Washburn, who was 8-8 last year. We also wish the Mariners good luck with Carl Everett, who, after signing a one-year, $4 million deal immediately proclaimed that Seattle was 3,000 miles from his comfort zone. Then there are the Padres, who seemed to have gone into a "rob Peter to pay Paul" mode after re-signing fan favorites Brian Giles and Trevor Hoffman for a combined $43.5 million. To compensate for payroll considerations, the Padres got rid of two of their most effective set-up men, Rudy Seanez and Akinori Otsuka, and traded their team leader, second baseman Mark Loretta to the Red Sox for backup catcher Doug Mirabelli (huh?). Until further notice, the jury remains divided on their trade of No. 2 starter Adam Eaton, a free agent after next season, to the Rangers for promising 6-10 righty Chris Young, who doesn't have the same upside, but won one more game than Eaton last year with virtually the same ERA (4.26). On the surface, the Padres appear to have severely compromised themselves in retaining Giles and Hoffman, and they're clearly banking on big contributions from their farm system, particularly second baseman Josh Barfield. |
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It's A Madd, Madd World… The votes are all in so this is no attempt at any 11th hour politicking, just one man's Hall of Fame ballot in what is being generally regarded as a lean year: Goose Gossage and Bruce Sutter (isn't it time the true workman closers got their due?), Jack Morris (he was the No. 1 starter on every team he pitched for and a big-game postseason pitcher if there ever was one), Bert Blyleven (how can 60 career shutouts continue to be denied, especially in this day and age?). Election results Tuesday. To Rafael Palmeiro, who obviously still doesn't get it, there are only two things to say: 1. How many times are you going to throw Miguel Tejada under the bus? 2. Just shut up and go away, and maybe, five years from now, the Hall of Fame voters will forget what a lying cheat you were. Can it get any worse for the Orioles, for whom nobody wants to play, starting with their best player, Tejada? Last week, Jeromy Burnitz reneged on a $12 million, two-year verbal deal with the O's to accept a one-year, $6.7 million deal with the Pirates. |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
is that johnny damon speaking? he too can't speak english. (im going to hell, he has a problem.)
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Originally Posted by ANCAM
not to sound like a wise ass or anything...but most the two biggest names on the Red Sox can barely say their name in english...Manny and Ortiz.
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Originally Posted by ANCAM
not to sound like a wise ass or anything...but most the two biggest names on the Red Sox can barely say their name in english...Manny and Ortiz.
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Johnny Damon is a born and raised American; David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez are not.
again though, making fun of his learning disability is not a very nice thing to do. i apologize. |
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