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Chest Training?


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Posted by: god hand

http://www.justaskmarc.com/Workout_R...hest_Training/


Posted by: TJ Cline

Total BS


Posted by: CowPimp

That pretty much looks like a Max-OT style workout to me. Like he said, there is no magic routine for your chest. Just stick to the basic movements, periodize, and eat.


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
That pretty much looks like a Max-OT style workout to me. Like he said, there is no magic routine for your chest. Just stick to the basic movements, periodize, and eat.
Flat/Incline/Decline Barbell Bench Press:

A standard barbell press is the meat and potatoes of any effective chest routine. This basic compound movement will allow you to handle the most weight through the given range of motion. The incline press will shift more of the stress to the upper region of the chest while the decline does the opposite, targeting the lower/outer region. The flat bench press works the upper and lower regions equally. I highly recommend a standard barbell press as a basic component of your chest routine.




Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by CowPimp
That pretty much looks like a Max-OT style workout to me. Like he said, there is no magic routine for your chest. Just stick to the basic movements, periodize, and eat.

I agree....

I hate when people say...here is a "chest program"...how the hell is that a program? What do you do the next week? the week after that? A program to me, is something that is logically written out over a few weeks. It has a start and an end and it goes in some sort of direction. Simply saying:

decline bench- 6-10 reps x 3 sets
cable flyes- 6-10 reps x 3 sets
dips- 6-10 reps x 3 sets

Doesn't look like a program to me.

Power/rep range/shock is a program. It says week 1 you do this, week 2 you do this, week 3 you do this etc...it has a start and an end and different variables. that is more of a program.


Posted by: PWGriffin

His sample workouts are like 5 and 6 sets...hardly enough volume IMO.


Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin
His sample workouts are like 5 and 6 sets...hardly enough volume IMO.

volume is more then just sets. It depends on how many reps are being performed and the load that is being used.

5-6 sets isn't that bad.


Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by P-funk
volume is more then just sets. It depends on how many reps are being performed and the load that is being used.

5-6 sets isn't that bad.
That would take a person 20 minutes at best to finish working out chest...so if somebody was working out tri's on the same day than by that token, 2-3 sets should be fine....so that's a grueling 30 minute workout...is that normal? My workouts are long and hard.


Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin
That would take a person 20 minutes at best to finish working out chest...so if somebody was working out tri's on the same day than by that token, 2-3 sets should be fine....so that's a grueling 30 minute workout...is that normal? My workouts are long and hard.

When I train it is usually about 45min with warm up and cool down. I don't see any problem with it.


Posted by: Thermal2

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin
My workouts are long and hard.
how hard can you truly be working if your workout is too long?

unless it is under 70% of your max


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin
His sample workouts are like 5 and 6 sets...hardly enough volume IMO.
I agree, the article is far from usefull imo, there is no talk about frequency and he limits people to 5-7 reps and wants them to have all sets " taken to complete muscular failure".......very bad advice.

This looks like the workout of a teenager with no clue how to train yet.


Posted by: ihateschoolmt

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" taken to complete muscular failure".......very bad advice.
Why?


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
Why?
Every set, every workout......are you kidding me???


Posted by: kentmc

i seen that guy post on this forum


Posted by: ihateschoolmt

That's the basis of HIT training, what's the problem? (I assume you are talking about complete failure without help from a spot or dropping weight)


Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
That's the basis of HIT training, what's the problem? (I assume you are talking about complete failure without help from a spot or dropping weight)

but the workouts that guy is advocating don't look like they are HIT workouts at all.

Even the guys that did HIT in a plsit routine like Dorian, did 2 warm up sets and then their last set was to failure....again, not what that guy is advocating.


Posted by: ihateschoolmt

I'm not talking about his routine, I thought foreman was saying always going until failure is bad no matter what kind of training.


Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
I'm not talking about his routine, I thought foreman was saying always going until failure is bad no matter what kind of training.
No, I think doing every set every workout to failure is bad. I will hit my last set to failure. If I do 9 sets of chest once a week I will hit one set of flat and one set of incline to failure....but not every week, just most of them.


Posted by: god hand

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
Why?
Because its a GREAT way to tear a muscle


Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by PWGriffin
His sample workouts are like 5 and 6 sets...hardly enough volume IMO.
Works for me, worked for Dorian.


Posted by: Prince

there is nothing wrong with that article and his advice, although I don't agree with the incline and upper chest thing, but other than that it is fine.


Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by Mudge
Works for me, worked for Dorian.
If I was on the stupid amounts of juice that he was on I'm sure I could watch tv and get bigger...


Posted by: CowPimp

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt
I'm not talking about his routine, I thought foreman was saying always going until failure is bad no matter what kind of training.
I think he's saying at your standard levels of volume, or even in this case (A bit lower than average). HIT calls for even lower volume than this.


Posted by: CowPimp

People must also consider than an HIT definition of failure and your average pussy's definition of failure are different. Complete muscular failure is not successfully completing a repetition and knowing that you couldn't complete another one in good form and racking at that point.

Complete muscular failure is trying for that repetition you know you can't get. If you somehow get it, then you go for another one. You don't stop pushing until the bar travels back to the beginning position and then keep pushing until you're not doing anything. Sometimes when I would squat and hit a sticking point, I would sit there pushing for 20-30 seconds before I got slowly pushed back into the uprights of the rack. I kept pushing for another several seconds after making contact with the uprights too. This is when I was doing dinosaur training. God that is hard to mentally complete.



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