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Posted by: ryans_22

hey guys im new here, i want to try my first cycle of steroids and have been doing a bit of research and so far i believe my best option would be,
4-6 weeks on dinabol (40mg) daily
also commence using 20mg nolvadex daily during my cycle to bring test levels back

a couple of questions though!
1. do i take the drug every single day or only on training days?

2. how often should i train (currently 4-5 sessions a week)

3. how long after the dinabol cycle finnishes should i continue using nolva?

thanks'


Posted by: Tough Old Man

Quote:
Originally Posted by ryans_22
hey guys im new here, i want to try my first cycle of steroids and have been doing a bit of research and so far i believe my best option would be,
4-6 weeks on dinabol (40mg) daily
also commence using 20mg nolvadex daily during my cycle to bring test levels back

a couple of questions though!
1. do i take the drug every single day or only on training days?

2. how often should i train (currently 4-5 sessions a week)

3. how long after the dinabol cycle finnishes should i continue using nolva?

thanks'
Oh boy this is going to be fun~!

1) you need to post your stats
1a) how old are you
1b) height
1c) Age
1d) weight
1e) how long you have been training

2) Where did you do your reseach, K-Mart. You don't use D-dol only for your first cycle.

Tough


Posted by: TJ Cline

Why do you think a 4-6 week d-bol only cycls is a good idea??
Where did you do your "research"?


Posted by: ryans_22

well like i said i have done a bit of research and i am still continuing to find out more, if any of you guys read other sites you may find that there are alot of different views on what steroids you should take and when etc.
That is why i am asking for your opinion, not critisism!

I'm 22 y/o
i am 6 foot 3inches
96kg
been training for about 4yrs on and off
in the last 6-12 months i have hit a plataeu and ive tried all kinds of ways to break it like changing my work out around etc, etc.
thats why i am thinking of giving the juice a go
so what is a good first cycle and will i see a large gain in my first session!


Posted by: Pirate!

Weeks 1-6: 25 mg dbol a day spread out in even dosing.
Weeks 7-8: 60 mg Tamoxifen Citrate/day
Weeks 9-10: 30 mg Tamoxifen Citrate/day

You will gain lots of weight and lose most of it during pct, but I think it is a good way to get your feet wet, dispite what others say. Just make sure your diet and training are in place, and be prepared to eat a lot.

For your liver, consider using NAC, Milk Thistle, and K-RALA.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
Weeks 1-6: 25 mg dbol a day spread out in even dosing.
Weeks 7-8: 60 mg Tamoxifen Citrate/day
Weeks 9-10: 30 mg Tamoxifen Citrate/day

You will gain lots of weight and lose most of it during pct, but I think it is a good way to get your feet wet, dispite what others say. Just make sure your diet and training are in place, and be prepared to eat a lot.

For your liver, consider using NAC, Milk Thistle, and K-RALA.
This is a total shit cycle.


Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
This is a total shit cycle.
Our opinions on this are different. I happen to think it is an effective way for someone to get a feel for how their body reacts to gear. I know plenty of people who have made good gains using dbol only for their first cycle. Are all dbol only cycles total shit to you?


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
Our opinions on this are different. I happen to think it is an effective way for someone to get a feel for how their body reacts to gear. I know plenty of people who have made good gains using dbol only for their first cycle. Are all dbol only cycles total shit to you?
First of all I see no reason to recomend one of the most toxic steroids for a first cycle. Secondly I have done 20+ cycles and have experimented with some odd cycle combinations...so what I think is not from some book or the experiance of 2-3 cycles. The cycle is total shit for a first time user or a person who has done 100 cycles.


Posted by: kicka19

if your gona do gear just do it right, poke urself


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by kicka19
if your gona do gear just do it right, poke urself
I agree


Posted by: brogers

Man up and use a needle, your liver and cholesterol will thank you.


Posted by: ag-guys

Quote:
Originally Posted by kicka19
if your gona do gear just do it right, poke urself
I also agree

AG
www.ag-guys.com


Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
First of all I see no reason to recomend one of the most toxic steroids for a first cycle. Secondly I have done 20+ cycles and have experimented with some odd cycle combinations...so what I think is not from some book or the experiance of 2-3 cycles. The cycle is total shit for a first time user or a person who has done 100 cycles.
For someone so proud of using steroids over 20 times, you sure do a lot of parroting. So many guys joint this board and adopt some narrow view that most here seem to polorize too. Everyone is told the same thing: 500 mg week of Test E for your first cycle. You guys act like this is gospel or something. True, I've only done 3 cycles, but that doesn't mean I've closed my mind and think my way is the only way. How about some orginal thought for a change? How about seeing what many of the bros on other boards have had success doing? A first cycle is a chance to get a feel what you are doing. A drug with a short half life can be discontinued at any time. I stated previously that most of the weight gained will be lossed, and I don't believe dbol is nearly as "toxic" as you do. 6 weeks at a moderate dose is safe for almost any grown male with a healthy liver and immunte system. Quit fucking parroting your narrow view like it is writen in stone on some holy mountain. Your way isn't the only way. Same goes for your butt-budy.


Posted by: Pirate!

Here is a sticky with proposed first cycles on IFL: http://www.ironforlife.com/t554-cycl...he-newbie.html

You won't find a dbol only cycle there, but go on that board and make your argument that the only good first cycle is Test E or C at 500 mg/wk, and let us all know when you get your ass handed to you by a hundred guys who know way more about juicing than you do. Maybe you can add it to your thread about stupid cycles on other boards and make yourself look even dumber.


Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
For someone so proud of using steroids over 20 times, you sure do a lot of parroting. So many guys joint this board and adopt some narrow view that most here seem to polorize too. Everyone is told the same thing: 500 mg week of Test E for your first cycle. You guys act like this is gospel or something. True, I've only done 3 cycles, but that doesn't mean I've closed my mind and think my way is the only way. How about some orginal thought for a change? How about seeing what many of the bros on other boards have had success doing? A first cycle is a chance to get a feel what you are doing. A drug with a short half life can be discontinued at any time. I stated previously that most of the weight gained will be lossed, and I don't believe dbol is nearly as "toxic" as you do. 6 weeks at a moderate dose is safe for almost any grown male with a healthy liver and immunte system. Quit fucking parroting your narrow view like it is writen in stone on some holy mountain. Your way isn't the only way. Same goes for your butt-budy.
Don't even get the whole "proud" thing....just stating a fact and I'm not ashamed nor proud of it.....just the way it is.

And If you ever read any of my posts you would see me saying 6-8 week long ester cycles ( and I usually say 400-500mg) are good.....and most here rip on me for this...but I could care less.

Also I have said a 2-3 week cycle can be good......and again all people here ripped on me.....and I'm sure you were one of them.
Get off your high horse Pirate, I have talked about many more types of cycles here that were not approved by most members than you ever have or will. I'm glad you have read a few books about steroids, when you mix that knowledge with experiance you will be a very informed Anabolic poster.


Posted by: Pirate!

Here is a sticky with proposed first cycles on IFL: http://www.ironforlife.com/t554-cycl...he-newbie.html

You won't find a dbol only cycle there, but go on that board and make your argument that the only good first cycle is Test E or C at 500 mg/wk, and let us all know when you get your ass handed to you by a hundred guys who know way more about juicing than you do. Maybe you can add it to your thread about stupid cycles on other boards and make yourself look even dumber.


Posted by: Pirate!

Fucking thing won't let me delete that double post. Then we agree to disagree. You have recommend shorter lengths etc, but I don't agree with test only for the first cycle is the only way to go, although I think it would be best for most people. That doesn't mean that everything esle is total shit. I've never ripped on one of your proposed cycles, bro. Different things work for different people.


Posted by: kicka19

i only think dbol only cycles arent a good idea because of the hardcore hit on liver values, esspecially over a 6 week cycle at high doeses when in the long run you wont hold much of the gains


Posted by: TJ Cline

Don't give a crap so I won't look it up, just know not one member here was on my side. I have no problem with an experianced user trying weird shit like a D-bol only cycle, just think it's silly for some kid who is terrified of needles to use that as an excuse to do a lame first cycle...

I do post on several other sites and 99% of the time a 8-12 week 400-500mg Test cycle is recomended by members and mods to a first time user.

And from what I have seen on other sites I think IM gives the safest and best advice......we don't encourage 12 week 1000mg Test cycles for 19 year old kids like most of the other sites do.


Posted by: Tough Old Man

Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateFromHell
Weeks 1-6: 25 mg dbol a day spread out in even dosing.
Weeks 7-8: 60 mg Tamoxifen Citrate/day
Weeks 9-10: 30 mg Tamoxifen Citrate/day

You will gain lots of weight and lose most of it during pct, but I think it is a good way to get your feet wet, dispite what others say. Just make sure your diet and training are in place, and be prepared to eat a lot.

For your liver, consider using NAC, Milk Thistle, and K-RALA.
Pirate you again amaze me by advocating D-bol only cycles. You have to be visiting other bodybuilding sites with a ton of kids on them. Your way of thinking is so wrong lately.

What is going to be next, telling some 13 year old to start with a mixture of d-bol and Anadrol?


Posted by: Pirate!

To each there own. I never said a dbol only cycle was ideal, but I see plenty of reasons why it is a good first cycle for some. There are many things to learn during a first cycle. I know most people recommend test only, but there are other ways to skin a cat. I gained 13 and kept 8 lbs from a 20 day M1T/4-AD cycle while only working working my uppper body due to a leg injury. That was my first time to use steroids, and I was on just long enough to get a feel for the sides, HTPA shutdown, pct etc. Using a long ester test for a first cycle is great. It just isn't the only way.

A few weeks ago, people here tore in to Capinatl, who happens to be a well-respected vet on many boards. I believe he did sustanon and tren for his first cycle.

It just gets old to hear the same mantra over and over as if it were law, when it is not. There are tons of good first cycles, depending on the person.



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