Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

HA HA HA HA HA

everyone that said they would kick Denver's ass can eat those frick'n words now!

Originally Posted by largepkg

Typical talk after they win!

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

maybe, but I thought is was funny that people actually thought they would come to Denver and win, number one we kicked their ass once already this season and number two we are 8-0 at home this year.

Originally Posted by kicka19

you won a game, try 3 SBs in 4 years, then talk, and then youll only be equals, i hope denver plays the brocos and gets beat 40-10 or whatever its been the past few years

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

maybe, but I thought is was funny that people actually thought they would come to Denver and win, number one we kicked their ass once already this season and number two we are 8-0 at home this year.

Originally Posted by Flex

but if it weren't for the worst fucking penalty flag thrown in NFL history to put Denver at the 1 yard line, the Broncos wouldn't have scored that first touchdown, and maybe not an offensive TD all game.

Originally Posted by Flex

The Patriots were MORE than capable of going into Denver and kicking the shit outta the halfass Broncos.
Ya, you beat us w/o Seymour, Bruschi, Dillon, Faulk. Take away Al Wilson, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell and John Lynch and see how good the Broncos are.

I'll be the first person to say you can't say "coulda shoulda woulda" in sports, but last night was fuckin bullshit.
Brady's INT to the house ended it, but if it weren't for the worst fucking penalty flag thrown in NFL history to put Denver at the 1 yard line, the Broncos wouldn't have scored that first touchdown, and maybe not an offensive TD all game. They couldn't move the ball AT ALL.

Oh well. New England can't win every game. Just the fact that they did so unbelievable well over the last 4 years makes me happy for them. I got so used to winning, that it seemed second nature. And to do so in today's day and age, it was unreal. A team won't win like that for a long time.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I think the 3 fumbles also may have had something to do with it.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

I could go on a rant forever here but like i said before, i wont come up with excuses. Instead, i'll list the points

-Kevin Faulk's fumble on 2nd and short with a 3-0 lead totally ruined the momentum
-Worst pass interference called ever led to denver TD
-Ellis hobbs fumbled on kick return led to denver FG
-Brady's interception in the red zone lost the game for us

After all that happened, we still had a chance when we pulled within 2 scores after givens TD to make it 24-13. Also, vinatieri missed a field goal and could have been 24-16. After 3 and out for denver, they punted and ...

-Troy Brown fumbled on punt return

ditto.

One of the worst performances i have ever seen from the patriots. Denver was not that good. They have a good defense but the offense couldnt do shit. All 27 points were scored off turnovers. The pats would have easily blown them out if they hadnt turned over the ball at all.

Denver earned the win so i cant get too dissappointed. The pats had a good run the last 4 years and i dont think any team will ever match what they accomplished again.

If the colts win today, they will easily destroy denver. No doubt.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

HA HA HA HA HA

everyone that said they would kick Denver's ass can eat those frick'n words now!

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I think New England did what they needed to do to win, except Fumble 3 times, throw 2 interceptions, and not score enough touchdowns.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

-Worst pass interference called ever led to denver TD

Originally Posted by Pepper

I would not have called PI on that play but saying it was the worst PI call ever is absurd. They BOTH were pushing and tugging. Like I said, I would not have thrown a flag, but give me a break.

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

HA! Where was RD talking all this shit BEFORE the game???

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Hey Rob, is there room for 2 on that bandwagon?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

When your team loses it can never be their fault, you oughta know that with all the losing you have had to experience in the past.

Go Steelers.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

lol, it's not like Denver won by only 3 or 7 points, this is just funny reading your responses.

Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

HA! Where was RD talking all this shit BEFORE the game???

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

3 superbowls in the last 4 years
a lot of records set that will probably never be broken
denver won't go anywhere, especially if they play the colts

dont get your hopes up, you still have two games left

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

3 superbowls in the last 4 years
a lot of records set that will probably never be broken
denver won't go anywhere, especially if they play the colts

dont get your hopes up, you still have two games left

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I thought it would be more fun to let everyone talk their shit and then I could come back here and rub it in their faces!

Originally Posted by Pepper

Seattle has a 1-game playoff win streak now.

Not impressive, I know, but better than the Patriots.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Or you didn't think they would win and were too afraid to come out and talk shit with the big boys.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

You could have been 16-0 if you didn't lose that game. Save for 7 games this year, the Pats were undefeated too.

Originally Posted by Pepper

What the Patriots fans seem to want to ignore is the fact that the Donkeys were FAVORED in the game. This was not a lucky win. The better team won.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I would not have called PI on that play but saying it was the worst PI call ever is absurd. They BOTH were pushing and tugging. Like I said, I would not have thrown a flag, but give me a break.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

It wasn't just that, it was the fact that the referees threw the flag like 5 seconds after the play had ended.

Incomplete pass

....... 5 seconds gone by

Oh woops, there goes the yellow flag

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

lets hang the whole game on one bad call, did you forget what the final score was?

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

But hey, it doesn't end here. Denver still has two games to go. If they lose the AFC Championship or the superbowl, this game clearly means nothing.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

HA HA HA HA HA

everyone that said they would kick Denver's ass can eat those frick'n words now!

Originally Posted by Jodi

Wow - saying NE Sucks isn't very good sportsmanship.

Pat's didn't play their best last night but you can hardly say that NE Sucks given their history in the past 4 years.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Denver was the better team based on the result - a win

The patriots are still clearly the better team overall

But hey, it doesn't end here. Denver still has two games to go. If they lose the AFC Championship or the superbowl, this game clearly means nothing.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

if both teams bring their A game i feel denver still wins hands down easily. denver has a more opportunistic secondary and a better run defense.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I don't know about all that, those 3 fumbles don't happen and the Broncos get blown out at home.

Originally Posted by Jodi

Wow - saying NE Sucks isn't very good sportsmanship.

Pat's didn't play their best last night but you can hardly say that NE Sucks given their history in the past 4 years.

That PI call was absurd. Totally and so obvious that it was bullshit........anyway what's done is done and given the kind of year NE started out with and all the injuries and losing coaches last year......I'm quite proud of what they have accomplished and I've no doubt they will be back next year to WOW the NFL again. Go Pat's

Congrats Denver, you won and good luck in the championship. My guess is you will be up against the Steelers. Payton and offense are playing pretty bad right now.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I agree that they didn't play their game, but I do not agree that they are better.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

of course they are better. both teams would pretty much shut down each others run game, except for probably a few big plays on denvers part. and while new england will generate more yards from their passing game denvers secondary is more opportunistic and will make those few crucial big plays. and thats how it will go down with both teams playing their A game. Denver still wins. Denver is still the better team no matter how you look at it.

New England has been over rated all year long. they were never really in contention this year.

Originally Posted by topolo

I just got done rubbing one out.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

and the pats division of buffalo, miami, and new york is difficult? where they were 5-1 while indy went 6-0.

and yes. regardless of the injuries i think they were over rated as a team this year. i never considered them in contention for the superbowl this year.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

They only played their starters for one series in the loss, and the Broncos managed to lose to the Dolphins.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

maybe, but I thought is was funny that people actually thought they would come to Denver and win, number one we kicked their ass once already this season and number two we are 8-0 at home this year.

Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Yeah, it's "Funny" to have confidence in your home team who is also a World Champion dynasty, who overcame a ridiculous amount of injuries to earn a spot in the playoffs and win the division.

It just shows that you're so used to Denver getting spanked in the Playoffs that when after they win one game you have to talk all kinds of shit. That's a true football fan right there.

As someone already brought up, the first win against us was when we were minus major pieces of both our off and def. And DEN only one by one score, so the Pats having a good chance in this one was by no means outrageous.

Last night, the PI call was no doubt BS, but that shit happens and you can't do anything about it (should be reviewable in the Post-Season however). We had too many TO's and Denver outplayed us and deserved to win.

3 out 4 isn't bad. We had a good run and we'll be back next year.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

nope, the dynasty is broken and so begins the fall. just like the cowboys of the 90's. yes in the first game the win was by a touchdown, but the outcome was never in question as denver jumped to a 28-3 lead early on. and as stupid as that PI call was it didnt change the outcome of the game. the outcome was because of the 5 turnovers by the pats. thats cool you can hold on to your 3 in 4 years. thats an accomplishment no doubt, but for denver fans we will hold onto the fact that we are still in the playoffs while the pats are talking about the past.

and for the record denvers team of 98 would destroy any of the pats teams that won the superbowl.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

and for the record denvers team of 98 would destroy any of the pats teams that won the superbowl.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

but the broncos are still in contention for the superbowl, while the high and mighty pats are making excuses.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Nope. I love how people always say a team from such and such would have destroyed the current champs. Not gonna happen. Ironic we are on a fitness board. The worst athlete in the NFL today is prolly as good as someone who was in the top 10 5+ years ago. They had a story on this on some channel, I think NFL TV. Whereas 10 years ago you would get 3 or so months off between seasons, the player of today is lucky to get a month off, and that is if they don't make the playoffs.



For another 6 days at least.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

And this is their first time coming back to the AFC championship game since then, so there is your answer, they don't compare.

The athlete of today is far superior to the athlete of 8 years ago is my point, I was using dramatic effect.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

you guys are really going overboard comparing "dynasty" teams over the years. You can't compare at all. It's not realistic. There are too many variables involved that will not make sense. It's like comparing the current patriots team to the steelers team of the 70's. Players are much better, faster, stronger, and smarter today than it was back then.

I also hated how sportscenter was comparing USC to all of the "great" college teams in the past. The analysts would predict the outcome if they had played based on how good the team was and their offensive/defensive schemes and so forth. It was so stupid. Why talk about something like that if it's obviously never going to happen?

So really, you can't really compare teams now to those of the past because they would actually have to play each other to determine the results. Enough of this compare/contrast talk.

Like the quote goes

Forget the past, stick to the present, look to the future.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

of course they are better. both teams would pretty much shut down each others run game, except for probably a few big plays on denvers part. and while new england will generate more yards from their passing game denvers secondary is more opportunistic and will make those few crucial big plays. and thats how it will go down with both teams playing their A game. Denver still wins. Denver is still the better team no matter how you look at it.

New England has been over rated all year long. they were never really in contention this year.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I agree that they didn't play their game, but I do not agree that they are better.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Are you Pat fans SERIOUSLY suggesting that the six loss Patriots from a week division were better than the three loss Broncos from one of the strongest divisions? Or are you just bitter over the loss?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

nope, the dynasty is broken and so begins the fall. just like the cowboys of the 90's.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Are you Pat fans SERIOUSLY suggesting that the six loss Patriots from a week division were better than the three loss Broncos from one of the strongest divisions? Or are you just bitter over the loss?

Originally Posted by Flex

The AFC East went 6-10 vs. the AFC West this year. That's not bad at all considering the vast injuries to the East. The Jets were without their starting QB for most of the year, and Miami and Buffalo mine were at times, too.

You can't call out the Patriots having a weak division when the Seahawks divisional competition is St. Louis, San Fran and mighty Arizona.

If it weren't for such a halfass NFC, Seattle wouldn't be shit.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Vegas thought the Broncos were better. But what do they know, those big ass casinos were built on winners.

Originally Posted by Flex

The AFC East went 6-10 vs. the AFC West this year. That's not bad at all considering the vast injuries to the East. The Jets were without their starting QB for most of the year, and Miami and Buffalo mine were at times, too.

You can't call out the Patriots having a weak division when the Seahawks divisional competition is St. Louis, San Fran and mighty Arizona.

If it weren't for such a halfass NFC, Seattle wouldn't be shit.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Are we talking about Seattle or Denver/New England?

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

The Patriots outplayed the Broncos in every aspect of the game and as much as i hate saying it "should've, would've, could've" won that game; however there two penalties that gave the ball to Denver on the one, and then the missed call on the Champ Bailey interception which should have been a touchback.

The Patriots were hosed by the referees in this game, but never should have been in that situation in the first place had they not turned the ball over five times.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

This is absurd, and I am a Pats fan. How can you have dominated a team in every aspect of the game by dropping 3 balls (Drop, they were hardly forceds fumbles) and throwing 2 picks. You can't fault the Broncs because they capitalized on dumb shit the Pats did.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

im not faulting the broncos by any means, i just think the patriots outplayed the broncos and the statistics agree.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Look, it ain't about the numbers, who the players are, who the coaches are, what the statistics are, what the line spread from vegas is or any other bullshit.

All that matters is what was accomplished in the last 4 years. The patriots won 3 superbowls and set a lot of new records. Not to mention, tom brady is the youngest quarterback to ever have 3 rings and he will be around for another 5+ years. Saying that the "dynasty" is broken is bullshit. All you haters just accept the fact that new england had a good year despite all the injuries. Take a look at their schedule. Tough? Indeed, especially with half the team having 2nd-3rd stringers when the starters were hurt. 10-6 is not bad. Dont forget they were 14-2 the previous 2 seasons.

As for pepper, u have no room to talk. Your team hasn't done shit. When seattle wins 3 superbowls in 4 years, come back and talk to me. The fact they play arizona, 49ers, and st louis every year in a weak division whereas the win vs washington was their FIRST PLAYOFF WIN is absolutely pathetic. If carolina keeps up the momentum, they will run all over them.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

and to all you new england die hards....

this is our thread in response to the thread earlier last week about jake plummer shitting himself when he learned he had to play the pats. it's not like we are new england haters we just like to have fun in response to all the shit that was talked leading up to the game. so relaxe a little, understand this is all in fun. and understand i was right when i said new england had angered the football Gods by not playing for the win in their last regular season game.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Do you think Shanahan wouldn't have done the same thing if the last game was meaningless.

Originally Posted by Egoatdoor

I think it shows a lack of class to say the Patriots "suck". It is a class organization with classy players. So they finally lost a playoff game? If they "suck", then 31 other teams in the NFL also "suck".

Show some class and stop being a poor winner.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

our last game was meaningless. by the time we played we already had the 2nd seed clinched.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

They rested 4 of their starters

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Listen to him. Thread closed.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

who all had injuries and could use the rest. all 4 pro-bowlers played however. including the qb who now incedentally is also in the pro-bowl

Originally Posted by bio-chem

who all had injuries and could use the rest. all 4 pro-bowlers played however. including the qb who now incedentally is also in the pro-bowl

Originally Posted by Jodi

He's a sex offender and women beater.

Originally Posted by Jodi

Jake Plummer was charged 9 years ago for 4 counts of sexual abuse. Also, he kicked 2 women in a bar and then paid them each 300K to keep their mouths shut.

Originally Posted by Jodi

(except I don't want hockey).

Originally Posted by Jodi

I still don't think he's really that good.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Booo

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

he is good, but not great like a John Elway or Joe Montana.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

For the record, NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira said that the Champ Bailey fumble should have been a touchback, and made a comment on WFAN radio in New York that in a 10-6 game, and the Patriots with the ball on the 20, that that play should have gone down in history as one of the greatest plays in history.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

For the record, NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira said that the Champ Bailey fumble should have been a touchback, and made a comment on WFAN radio in New York that in a 10-6 game, and the Patriots with the ball on the 20, that that play should have gone down in history as one of the greatest plays in history.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

For the record, NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira said that the Champ Bailey fumble should have been a touchback, and made a comment on WFAN radio in New York that in a 10-6 game, and the Patriots with the ball on the 20, that that play should have gone down in history as one of the greatest plays in history.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

For the record, NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira said that the Champ Bailey fumble should have been a touchback, and made a comment on WFAN radio in New York that in a 10-6 game, and the Patriots with the ball on the 20, that that play should have gone down in history as one of the greatest plays in history.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I don't know that you can blame that on the refs can you? I mean, it was a bad call, but there was no replay view that was conclusive. Plus, there was no way there was a ref on that goal line to see it.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Link or STFU.

The coaches is not crying about it, so give it up:

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Do you also get the WFAN in your location?
Mike and The Mad dog are great.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

pepper, u sure talk a lot of shit for a team that has never really won anything

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

you cannot be serious. do you really think a class act like bill belichick is going to say anything more than he said? if you do, your an absolute buffoon.

there is no link that i've found, but here is a direct quote from him:
"If I had to guess, it's in the end zone for a touchback," Pereira told WFAN in New York. The Patriots were trailing 10-6 at the time. If they got the ball back at the 20 and went on to win, Watson's play may have gone down as one of the all time NFL moments

it's amazing how one-sided the officiating has been in these playoffs, i just hope carolina is given a chance this weekend so that the actual best team in the NFC will be represtenting that league, not to mention shutting you up for a change.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Interesting how no single media outlet has run this. This after non-stop commenting on the Pitt/Indy call.

Watson's play was awesome. He blew Champ up.

Why the fuck are you getting so worked up? I think the call was not the reason the Pats lost and I am buffoon?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Most news reporters are saying the Pats were the better team during the game, I don't see how you can say that, the Broncos obviously had the better game.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I would let Jake Plummer kick me in the nuts for $300k.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Most news reporters are saying the Pats were the better team during the game, I don't see how you can say that, the Broncos obviously had the better game.QUOTE]

That's because the Pats WERE the better team *in* the game, but the Broncos played the better game. It's analogous to Indy being the "better team" (I think everyone in America would agree), yet Pitt happened to play better and beat them this certain week.

This is where "Any given Sunday" comes into play.

Originally Posted by Flex

Indy might be the better team in the regular season, but please tell me none of you took Peyton Manning to win a big game...

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Indy might be the better team in the regular season, but please tell me none of you took Peyton Manning to win a big game...

Originally Posted by Flex

But to say "Payton can't win a big game" and "he doesn't have what it takes to win a championship" is such bullshit.

Granted he has the most to work with (awesome recieving corps, top 4 RB, great OLine), but football is a TEAM GAME in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE WORD. As much of a factor as a QB is, they can only do so much. Peyton doesn't line up to rush the opposing QB. Peyton doesn't kick game winning (or losing) field goals. Peyton plays Quarterback, and the guy is the best QB in the game, hands down.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

All of the people NE sat were on the injury report as well.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

alright, it may be a little harsh to say that peyton chokes in big games

How about we just say the "Indianapolis Colts" chokes in big games. The whole team and coaching staff.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

i don't really understand why its bullshit considering he has never been able to step up in a big game ever and therefore hasn't been able to win a championship.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

while i agree that he doesn't do all those things, the colts as a team played well enough to win, peyton manning did not.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Denver was the better team based on the result - a win

The patriots are still clearly the better team overall

But hey, it doesn't end here. Denver still has two games to go. If they lose the AFC Championship or the superbowl, this game clearly means nothing.

Originally Posted by Jodi

Ah another person looking in the past

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

They were favored by 3 at home, hardly what you would expect of a team that was heads and tails better.

The Pats had 6 losses because they played an actual schedule, not every team gets a cake schedule like the Seahawks.

Originally Posted by god hand

Your an idiot. The NFL has been lackluster for the last 5 years. You probably think Brady is better than Montana and that the patriots 3 out of 4 is better than the Cowboys that won 3 out of 4

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

in the last five years the nfl has come out with its own network, branched over to playing a game in japan, and besides monday night football has had overall better ratings than the five years prior.

brady is up there with montana, probably not better yet, but he's also got 8-10 years left in his career and even if his career ended tommorow, he'd go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks ever.

and yes, patriots>cowboys

Originally Posted by Flex

As much of a factor as a QB is, they can only do so much. Peyton doesn't line up to rush the opposing QB.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The Steelers of the 70's are better than both,

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

HA HA HA HA HA

everyone that said they would kick Denver's ass can eat those frick'n words now!

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The kicker and Linebackers didn't go like 3 for 15 in the first half.

Originally Posted by god hand

Your an idiot. The NFL has been lackluster for the last 5 years.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

peyton proved that this lose was not on his shoulders. his acuracy and touch on his passes was great throughout the game

Originally Posted by bio-chem

what could he have done better?

Originally Posted by Flex

No, you're the idiot.
There has been SO much parity over the last 5 years it's not even funny.

Baltimore won a SB. TB won a SB. Now Bmore is awful. And both didn't even make the playoffs. St. Louis went to shit. Green Bay went to shit.
Phili has been awesome EVERY year with the exception of this year. Indy was awesome EVERY year. Pitt was always up there.

Originally Posted by Jodi

Yes, I understand..........however, I'm just showing that we still have the greatest players.

Originally Posted by god hand

Idiot by lackluster I meant there havent been any good teams in the league. Just look at the NFC for crying out loud!

Originally Posted by god hand

Idiot by lackluster I meant there havent been any good teams in the league. Just look at the NFC for crying out loud!

Originally Posted by Flex

Sure, the NFC sucks.

But considering Indy nearly went undefeated (and could have had they played their starters fully), and condsidering there were so many teams that barely missed out on a playoff spot due to another team winning or losing, I'd say there are many good teams.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

the greatest players sitting at home watching sports center and thinking about next year. the greatest teams are getting ready to play

Originally Posted by bio-chem

the greatest players sitting at home watching sports center and thinking about next year. the greatest teams are getting ready to play

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Honestly, with their schedule next year, the current team they have will get 12 wins. I foresee with Matt Light and Rodney Harrison back you could tack on a couple more. They will have what Indy had this year, a JV schedule which should seem them very healthy throughout.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I think the "weakness" of the NFC is probably the most overstated thing I have seen on IM in a while.

just sayin'

Originally Posted by Pepper

I think the "weakness" of the NFC is probably the most overstated thing I have seen on IM in a while.

just sayin'