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Posted by: gr81

well I have been hesitant to say anything b/c the moment I open my mouth about the super bowl, people are gonna jump down my throat saying I am biased, which is true, I am biased. However I will go on record as sayin that the way Sunday's game was officiated, it is an absolute Embarassment for the league and there is just absolutely no excuse for these officials to not be fired/heavily fined. These guys, who supposedly are the best crew the NFL has to offer, had two weeks full of preperation and tape watching for this game. This is not a conspiracy theory of any kind, I don't think anyone paid them off, I just think that they certainly were going to give the edge to Pittsburg on the field, something which is unbelievably unproffessional and unnacceptable in any league. BTW Seattle fans are not the only ones crying foul play, I mean when John Madden is questioning the ruling on the field on air, you know its a bad call b/c he is notoriously known for never questioning officials calls. Not to say they are to take full blame for their loss, b/c Jeremy Stevens dropped 3 huge passes that cost them big time. But these blown/overzelous calls absolutely changed the scope of the game. That pass to Stevens that got them down to the 1 yrd line that was brought back to the 40 b/c of a supposed Locklear hold, that changed the game drastically, especially since the next play Hasselback threw a pick and had a flag thrown against him. The fact of the matter is this, the Seahawks are a better team than the Steelers, and if this game is played 10 times, the Hawks win 7 of em, and if they were actually outplayed sunday and the Steelers deserved to win then I would give proper respect. hoep you steelers fans can sleep at night knowing you got aways with robbery....

Posted by: dougnukem

The refs were a little "off" through the most of the playoff games this year.

Posted by: topolo

The whole world knew randle el was going to throw that ball. Did the refs make the db's stop covering Ward too?

Posted by: soxmuscle

did the refs have a role in this game? yes.

just as they did in the patriots/broncos game.

something has to be done.

Posted by: bigss75

The Seahawks would win 7 out of the 10 times hahaha

Posted by: I Are Baboon

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Originally Posted by topolo

The whole world knew randle el was going to throw that ball. Did the refs make the db's stop covering Ward too?

Apparently the refs helped block on the 75 yard touchdown run too.

Posted by: TJ Cline

my brain just exploded

Posted by: topolo

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

my brain just exploded

I jusr rubbed one out

Posted by: Dale Mabry

If the Steelers and Seahawks played 10 times, the Seahawks would choke 8 of them. The reason they wouldn't choke on the other 2 is because they would be down by so much.

Madden did question both calls, but on the holding call, he did say that he hooked him, and on the pass interference call the dude did push off in the end zone. The one I would give you is the Roethlisberger touchdown, which I thought was in, but am not sure the ref on the field was certain. But for only one man to be covering Ward on that 3rd and 28 play is one of the dumbest things they could have done.

That Randle El play was ridiculous, it was so blatantly obvious what was going on.

It's funny that people only speak out about how bad the refs are when their team gets owned. The officiating in every round of the playoffs was bad, why speak up only now.

Posted by: devildog88

Refs, Refs, refs, the fact of the matter is that although the refs may have made a poor call in a few situations there was enough mistakes made by the chicken hawks to overcome the officiating. Poor calls are a factor in every game, you can only hope that you do your part to overcome them. Erase half of the mistakes that the chicken hawks made and they still win! Bottom line.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by gr81

the Seahawks are a better team than the Steelers, and if this game is played 10 times, the Hawks win 7 of em,

Then it's a good thing for Pittsburgh that only the first game counts.

Posted by: largepkg

There were two obvious bad calls that had a huge impact on the outcome of this game. The first was the holding penalty that did not exist. That play would have ultimately resulted in a TD. The second bad call was the block below the waist on Hasselback after the INT. How the hell can you have a call of blocking below the waist when you are the person trying to tackle the player and you're on defense??? Answer: YOU CAN'T!

Both of these plays had a significant difference in the outcome. Does that mean the Seahawks would have won? Unlikely, but it shouldn't have to be decided like that.

Posted by: oaktownboy

regardless of the officiating, Seattle has a history of choking in the playoffs...the refs didn't prevent anyone from covering Ward on the flicker to Randel-EL

Posted by: largepkg

Maybe so but that play never would have happened if the above bad calls were never made!

Posted by: Dale Mabry

It would have been made regardless, just not right then.

The fact of the matter is that no matter how dominant the Seahawks were yardage-wise, they got to the red zone only once.

Posted by: largepkg

It would have been twice given the correct call. To extrapolate a TD out of that may be reaching but a FG at worst which makes this game either 17-14 or 13-14.

You can't say that play would have come anyway. Remember there was only 10:00 minutes left when Pitt took possession.

Posted by: topolo

The chop block on Hassleback was also a bull shit call, as was the delay of game that they didn't call when the clock hit zero before Roethlisberger called time out.

Did I mention that I rubbed one out?

Posted by: Dale Mabry

I think the pick he threw had more bearing than the penalties. The game was over by the time they called the blocking penalty on Haselback, wasn't it? Madden was also saying they should have kicked the field goal with that little time left since it was an 11 point game anyway. might as well get a fresh set of downs. The Seahawks had horrible clock management, and were outcoached.

Posted by: largepkg

You know I completely forgot about the delay/timeout should have been penalty. The more I relive that damn game the more I think the NFL...

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Wasn't their a delay of game on Hasselback that they never called, during the pick he threw?

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I think the pick he threw had more bearing than the penalties. The game was over by the time they called the blocking penalty on Haselback, wasn't it?

No! It was 10-14 with 10 minutes on the clock. The ball would/should have been placed at the Pitt 29. 15 Yards made a huge difference.

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Madden was also saying they should have kicked the field goal with that little time left since it was an 11 point game anyway. might as well get a fresh set of downs. The Seahawks had horrible clock management, and were outcoached.

That is where I agree. The coaching was horrible! Not only the end of the game when they should have kicked a FG and at least tried an onside kick, but what about to end the second half? They just let the clock run down and then instead of running the ball to get 5+ yards closer for the attempt they try that damn deep side line pass.

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Wasn't their a delay of game on Hasselback that they never called, during the pick he threw?

This is my sob story damnit! Don't ruin it.

Posted by: topolo

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The Seahawks had horrible clock management, and were outcoached.

No doubt about it

Posted by: Goodfella9783

I agree with gr81 on this and I was a neutral fan during the game. Rothlisberger did not appear to be in and how the ref saw that he was indeed in was beyond me. And the off. pass interference call to me seemed like bullshit as well as some other calls that may have not been as critical.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Apparently the refs helped block on the 75 yard touchdown run too.

I am sorry but this pisses me off a little.

Are you seriously denying that the calls in this game impacted the game?

Can't someone say that w/o being accused of saying Seattle played perfectly and would have won?

I saw Seattle choke in person, but I also saw an embarrassment that was the officiating.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

If the Steelers and Seahawks played 10 times, the Seahawks would choke 8 of them. The reason they wouldn't choke on the other 2 is because they would be down by so much.

Madden did question both calls, but on the holding call, he did say that he hooked him, and on the pass interference call the dude did push off in the end zone. The one I would give you is the Roethlisberger touchdown, which I thought was in, but am not sure the ref on the field was certain. But for only one man to be covering Ward on that 3rd and 28 play is one of the dumbest things they could have done.

That Randle El play was ridiculous, it was so blatantly obvious what was going on.

It's funny that people only speak out about how bad the refs are when their team gets owned. The officiating in every round of the playoffs was bad, why speak up only now.

How did the Seahawks get "owned?' The had more yards, more time of possession, they had less turnovers.

The safetly slipped on the 3rd down play, it was right in front of me.

That "push off" by D Jax is NEVER called. Michael Irving would not have caught a TD if that were called. What about the holding on Terry? It wasn't there. What about the "tackling below the waist" call on Hasselbeck that set up the trick play?

Watch a fucking game every once in a while.

Posted by: Pepper

Huh? Speak up now?

Talk radio, message boards, EVERYONE has been bitching about the calls all playoffs.

Are you awake?

Posted by: shiznit2169

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Originally Posted by Pepper

You now know how us patriots fans felt about that bullshit pass interference call against the broncos. Our situation was worse because our guy didn't even use his HANDS to push him away or anything .. the seattle guy was questionable because he used his hand but i agree it was a bad call.

Posted by: largepkg

I feel ya Pep!

Posted by: Decker

There were bad calls but so what? Good teams overcome bad calls. What we witnessed was Mike Holmgren choking in big games again. Lousy clock management--no doubt. Bad Play calling--yup. Seattle plays west coast offense so why the hell is Hasselbeck throwing like Jim Plunkett every other pass downfield? You beat a defense like Pitt's w/ 1st downs, not homeruns. The hawks were smoking Pitt's D w/ short routes. True, Seattle was hit w/ some injuries during the game but adjustments must be made...it's the friggin Superbowl TM. I just think that Holmgren is a good coach who chokes in big games.

I still believe that Seattle was the more talented team.

Posted by: Pepper

Dale, were you drunk when you watched this game?
You seem to know very little about it.

just sayin'

Posted by: largepkg

No team good or bad should have to overcome bad calls. Especially in the biggest game on earth that's officiated by the best crew the NFL has to offer. With that said Holmgren did choke.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Decker

There were bad calls but so what? Good teams overcome bad calls. What we witnessed was Mike Holmgren choking in big games again. Lousy clock management--no doubt. Bad Play calling--yup. Seattle plays west coast offense so why the hell is Hasselbeck throwing like Jim Plunkett every other pass downfield? You beat a defense like Pitt's w/ 1st downs, not homeruns. The hawks were smoking Pitt's D w/ short routes. True, Seattle was hit w/ some injuries during the game but adjustments must be made...it's the friggin Superbowl TM. I just think that Holmgren is a good coach who chokes in big games.

I still believe that Seattle was the more talented team.

I don't disagree that good teams over come the calls. The game Pitt played, Seattle should have had such a lead that these calls would have been nothing. Seattle left the game out there so that a couple of big plays and a couple of bad calls could screw them.

Generally, they out played and out phycicalled the Steelers. If they had done their job, they'd have won. Period.

I AM NOT BLAMING THE REFS FOR THE LOSS.

However, the NFL has got to do something, you simply cannot have calls like that in the Superbowl.

One thing that does make me happy is that it is NOT the Seahawks fan running this debate...listen to ESPN radio or Fox Sports Radio.

Posted by: Decker

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Originally Posted by largepkg

No team good or bad should have to overcome bad calls. Especially in the biggest game on earth that's officiated by the best crew the NFL has to offer.

I know it sucks. They got hosed on that QB dive for touchdown call. I guess the best thing to do there would be for Seattle not to allow a 3rd and 5miles pass to Hines Ward to put the Steelers in that position in the first place.

The ref's are human too.

Posted by: largepkg

Again, I agree with you Decker. That play set the tone for the Steelers.

Posted by: Pepper

I wonder what Big Ben's passer rating would be WITHOUT that 2 mile pass.

Posted by: Decker

Actually I'm still upset that Holmgren can't gather himself better on the sidelines. When he starts screaming, you know it's over and it's the players that suffer. I'm beginning to think that he'd make a better OC (he's the best at developing QBs). But now that Seattle has tasted Superbowl, he could be there quite a while.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Dale, were you drunk when you watched this game?
You seem to know very little about it.

just sayin'

Nope, I saw what you saw. I saw dude push off the cornerback in the end zone and get called for it, I saw the kicker miss 2 field goals in perfect conditions, I saw the "Hawks" sit around for 35 seconds in the last minute of the half, I saw Seattle having one man on Ward on 3rd and 28, I saw them give up a gimmick play that i could see happening before the snap, and I also saw them not kick a field goal when it was under 5 minutes and a 2 score game.

If you saw all of that I would pretty much say we saw the same game.

I am not saying the officials were without flaw, but I would say they were no worse than any of the other playoff games and you weren't complaining then. Only difference is your team shot itself in the foot time and time again, just like the Pats did.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Regardless of the conditions and the stadium, those were both 50+ yard field goals...not easy in any situation...Unless of course you're Vinatieri

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

but I would say they were no worse than any of the other playoff games and you weren't complaining then.

Dale, this is absurd. I know I am dog tired from driving 12 hours last night, but you have got to be fucking kidding me.

1) they were worse, way worse b/c they kept making silly calls.
2) the officiating has been a HUGE deal in the playoffs. I and every else has been complaining.

Any reasonable adult watching that game knows that the officiating sucked. Because it sucked in the past or because Seattle did not play well doest change that one fucking bit.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Unless of course you're Vinatieri

Of course, can't wait til next year.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I saw all of that too. Now tell me how this means the officials did a good job?

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Pepper

g that game knows that the officiating sucked. Because it sucked in the past or because Seattle did not play well doest change that one fucking bit.

I was never saying it didn't suck, I was saying it is a constant and good teams perservere. Each playoff game had multiple bad calls, some even bad after review. I can think of only 1 that was blatantly horrible in the Super Bowl...The blocking call on Hasselback. Every other one could have been called either way. The PI call was a push off, no matter how slight it was. The holding call, while not typically called, was in essence a hold, he hooked him.

Wilbon just said Roethlisberger said he wasn't in on Letterman and I would certainly say that could be a bad call. I thought he was in, but I am sure Ben knows better than me.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The holding call on Locklear? Got TIVO? Go watch it. It aint there. The other calls were judgement, but they seem to all go against Seattle and they are were questionable. Find me the hold on the punt return? Did Ben get in? I don't know but that one went against us too. Call after call after call.

As for Djax offensive interference...if that is OI, I can live with it, he did push off, but FUCKING CALL IT THAT WAY ALL THE TIME! That call is NEVER made. I heard at least three DBs on the way home from Detroit yesterday say that that is simply not called. Why start then?

Shaun was horse-collared by Porter..they didn't call it and should not have. If you don't call something all year, don't start in the SB.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Pepper

I agree, he was definitely horse collared, but I think since he went down on his side it wasn't called. I think we are talking different holding calls, the on I am talking about Madden said it was a technique used, but rarely called.

You were in a game during the playoffs that had bad officiating, join the club. The only team that was a victim of bad officiating and won were the steelers against Indy.

Posted by: topolo

The chop block on Hassleback was brutal as well......

Posted by: gr81

oh and BTW the back judge that made that offensive PI call hails from, guess where....... thats right PITTSBURG!!!! shocking

like Pep said, I am not blaming the refs for our loss, the Hawks had MANY missed opportunities, but those calls ABSOLUTELY changed the scope of the game. The Seahawks had what would've been a 98 yrd drive when it was 14-10 with that Stevens catch that put them at the 1, and it would've been 17-10 Seattle at that point. instead they are back at the 40 and they turn the ball over the next play and Pitt has great field position and the lead.. how can you deny that played a HUGE part in determing the second half.

now with that being said, the Hawks missed some huge opportunities. Stevens dropped three passes which is extremely out of character, Chris Gray's hold on the first drive, the penalty on Peter Warricks' return.. they had some mistakes. But so did Pitt and except for a few plays, they were outplayed by Seattle, who is still a better team in my mind. Yes Holmgren did not coach a good game. I mean 49 pass attempts, thats out of character. Alexander only got two rushes in a row ONCE, which is ridiculous, despite how scared he ran the ball.

as for the officiating, your right it has been horrible this year overall, not just this game, I mean that Denver/NE game that PI was ridiculous. Even the Chicago/Panthers game where they missed the delay of game by like 5 seconds, I mean the list goes on and on, which is why I say that the league should be embarrassed by it. Of course I choose to speak up when it involves my own team in the super bowl, does that make it any less true?

Posted by: Hlanderr

Personally I do not think any blame should be shifted towards the refs...

Did the refs give the wrong call on some plays? Yes. BUT, that happens. People make mistakes. Not that you are looking for excuses, but you can't shift it to the refs.

Those penalties were literally 50/50...... some refs would call, some wouldn't. In this game, ALL of them were called. Not necessarily a bad thing, as it enforces the game to be played fair (even though it came off to be the OPPOSITE).

The offensive push off by the WR was extremely close. If that ref had a second look at it, he might have waived it off. BUT, the DB DID jump back, and his call is just.
The holding preventing the Seahawks from getting to the 1yrd..... didn't get a great look on it.... but one thing is probably for sure- the ref MUST have thrown the flag before the ball was actually caught at the 1yrd, right? If it was thrown during the play, that can't be linked to the "what-if's."
The chop block called on Hasslebeck HAD to be called. As ridiculous as it sounds, it was a penalty. On a change of possesion, you can't take out a blocker below the knees. It's in the rules of the NFL, and if they didn't call that, it would be awful. Good tackle by Hasselbeck though, that was sick.

The refs DO make mistakes. I'm a Patriot fan, and I was routing for the Seahawks to win. I do not think the game was biased by officials at all..... terrible calls were against the Patriots against Denver, and as pissed as all the Patriot fans were, shifting the blame to them just doens't justify the game. The Pats turned the ball over 5 times that game. Not good man. The Seahawks drove into Pittsburg territory several times, and had to settle for field goals(and in one case unfortunetly for them, an interception).

Rough game, yes. But yelling at the refs doesn't work. A great game of football was played on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: topolo

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Originally Posted by Hlanderr

A great game of football was played on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: Hlanderr

haha
you know what i meant

Posted by: largepkg

I am truly dumbfounded by anyone who says the refs didn't decide this game. I certainly don't subscribe to conspiracy theory but they effected the outcome. How can this be denied? The talk around the country is about how bad the refs screwed this superbowl up. These are people without bias who are fans of other team saying this.

This had the potential to be a great superbowl if only the refs stayed out of the way.

Black and white is exactly that.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by largepkg

I am truly dumbfounded by anyone who says the refs didn't decide this game. I certainly don't subscribe to conspiracy theory but they effected the outcome. How can this be denied? The talk around the country is about how bad the refs screwed this superbowl up. These are people without bias who are fans of other team saying this.

This had the potential to be a great superbowl if only the refs stayed out of the way.

Black and white is exactly that.

Yes, but the unbiased people who are saying the refs were bad also say that Seattle decided the game, not the refs.

Posted by: Decker

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Originally Posted by gr81

....as for the officiating, your right it has been horrible this year overall, not just this game, I mean that Denver/NE game that PI was ridiculous....

A little off topic but the NFL should change pass interference penalties to mirror that of College football. One penalty should not kill/ruin a game as consistently as PI does.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Yes, but the unbiased people who are saying the refs were bad also say that Seattle decided the game, not the refs.

I don't argue that but you sound as if Pitt dominated.
Seattle outplayed them, check the stats. Seattle "choked" b/c they gave up some ridiculous plays. You do that, you lose.

You give up ridiculous big plays AND get screwed by the refs, you lose to a good team by 11 points.

If Seattle finishes two drives, they have a big lead. However, they DID essentially finish two drives and the refs called them back for dubious fouls.

I just don't see how any reasonable person can deny that Seattle got screwed. Yes, they screwed themselves too. (You have to say that everytime or someone will flame you for "blaming the refs.")

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by Decker

A little off topic but the NFL should change pass interference penalties to mirror that of College football. One penalty should not kill/ruin a game as consistently as PI does.

If a defensive back knows he's about to get beat on a 40-50 yd pass play, he'll just commit the infraction, knowing all they'll lose is 15 yds.

Posted by: Decker

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

If a defensive back knows he's about to get beat on a 40-50 yd pass play, he'll just commit the infraction, knowing all they'll lose is 15 yds.

I can live with that. Look at PI--the big penalty is only available if the ball is catchable. If a db gets beat by a WR by a step and the DB interferes w/ him to disrupt the play, then you have illegal contact-a different penalty--b/c the ball is not catchable or in play but you still have the illegal contact. IN short, if the DB blows up the play b/c he's been beaten by the WR then the appropriate penalty already exists.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Seattle had more yards then they did, they didn't outplay them. They outplayed them in the alumni area, but got beat in the redzone because they were never there. Name both dubious fouls...I know the holding is one, what is the other.

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The Hasselback illegal chop block that set up the big play.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by largepkg

The Hasselback illegal chop block that set up the big play.

That was on an interception return, how could that have put Seattle in the Red Zone?

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

That was on an interception return, how could that have put Seattle in the Red Zone?

I wasn't paying attention which isn't all that unusual.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by largepkg

I wasn't paying attention which isn't all that unusual.

To be honest, I didn't even watch the game, i got high on crack and went looking for tunnel bunnies in Camden.

Posted by: Hlanderr

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Originally Posted by largepkg

The Hasselback illegal chop block that set up the big play.

That one HAD to be called though, as strange as it looked.

Its an NFL rule: You CANNOT take out a blocker below the knees on a change of posession. Hassleback touched the blocker well before he hit the actual ball carrier, and he chopped them both out.

Think of the mess if they didn't call that one.... blatantly disgregarding an NFL rule because it wasn't intentional....

Posted by: Hlanderr

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

To be honest, I didn't even watch the game, i got high on crack and went looking for tunnel bunnies in Camden.

You didn't miss a very exciting game....

Posted by: Hlanderr

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

This is one reason to push away stat books. Yes, they do prove evidence on top NFL rushing teams, passing teams, and whatnot but they don't show the flow of the game.

Remember the Redskins victory in the Wild Card? How many offensive yards did they have.... it might of been under 100 yards....

Pittsburg performed in the red zone, scoring every time, and made huge 1st downs when they needed to. They played better on that day...

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by Hlanderr

You are out of your ever lovin mind! If you believe this I won't waste my time.

Posted by: Hlanderr

?!?!?
Did you ever play football? Or have any experience with RULES?!?!?

If you break a rule, you broke it. There is no exceptions for breaking a rule, and that is especially enforced in the NFL.

Are you telling me that's NOT a rule? It's a personal foul. I know it for a fact man... if they let one slide then they have to let them ALL slide....

Posted by: topolo

you have no clue

Posted by: largepkg

Like I said above, YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN MIND!

Please show me the rule where a defensive player going for a tackle is not allowed to go low to tackle the opponent?

Answer: You won't, because you can't.

Posted by: Triple Threat

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Originally Posted by Hlanderr

Pittsburg performed in the red zone, scoring every time, ...

Are you forgetting the interception that Ben threw and was returned 70-something yards? It set up the Seattle TD.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Hlanderr

OMG. This is the dumbest post ever. That was a bad call. Period. He was not blocking anyone, he was tackling. I never, ever, thought I'd hear someone defending that call.

Good lord. I don't know what to say anymore.

Posted by: Pepper

Wilbon just mentioned another call that has not gotten much press. DJax's second TD of the night (ahem) was called out of bounds when his 2nd foot hit he pylon. The pylon is in bounds...TD....

The more I think about it, the madder I get. You can't have this in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Doublebase

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Originally Posted by Pepper

When you say "he was not blocking anyone, he was tackling". Who are you referring too?

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Posted by: furion joe

LMAO! Good stuff there min0 lee.

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by furion joe

LMAO! Good stuff there min0 lee.

The people who did this are pretty good.

Posted by: gr81

Now even with myself making this post, I MUST say that it is just horrible listening to sports radio here in Seattle. The city has gone from being as high as you could be, to anger and frustration, to disbelief and contemplation, and now to just traight up whining, and I can't take it anymore. And teh thing is if it were another city in our position Seattle would be railing on how they need to shut up and stop complaining. Its over, its done, yes the refs MAY have affected the outcome, but the Hawks played horrible football and their missed opportunities had MORE to do with the loss in Super Bowl 40 than anything else. The whining has really got to stop, I just can't listen to anymore talk about the officials. I am proud of them, they played a great season and got farther than anyone expected, lets move on and get it done again next year baby..

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Doublebase

When you say "he was not blocking anyone, he was tackling". Who are you referring too?

I am saying that Matt threw and interception (an ugly one at that) and the guy is returning it. Matt is the only one between the DB and the goal line and he tackles him.

He is flagged for BLOCKING BELOW THE WAIST.

This call is absurd and I am completely shocked that this dude is defending it.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by gr81

Now even with myself making this post, I MUST say that it is just horrible listening to sports radio here in Seattle. The city has gone from being as high as you could be, to anger and frustration, to disbelief and contemplation, and now to just traight up whining, and I can't take it anymore. And teh thing is if it were another city in our position Seattle would be railing on how they need to shut up and stop complaining. Its over, its done, yes the refs MAY have affected the outcome, but the Hawks played horrible football and their missed opportunities had MORE to do with the loss in Super Bowl 40 than anything else. The whining has really got to stop, I just can't listen to anymore talk about the officials. I am proud of them, they played a great season and got farther than anyone expected, lets move on and get it done again next year baby..

I agree on the whining, but it is not just in Seattle.

ESPN radio and Fox Sports Radio have not let it drop either. I am sick of hearing about it too. It's over with. However, I do want something to be done, this can't happen again - not to Seattle, not to anyone.

Posted by: gr81

oh your absolutely right my man, I am just speaking from the standpoint where people here are taking it too far and I am tired of hearing it, it makes us look liked bitches to be whining this much. A casual observer who missed the game would gather from KJR the last few days that the Hawks played immaculately and the refs took em at gunpoint. but hey I am the biggest supporter of these guys getting their incompetant asses fired!!

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

How do you get the "best" refs from the season that typically don't get shit wrong, then when the playoffs come around they make a significant amount of bad calls. I guess maybe people are less vocal when there is little at stake.

Posted by: Pepper

Gr81:

They need to shut up in Seattle and get busy signing Hutchinson to a long-term deal.

Shaun's gone..don't you think?

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

My personal take on this is that the game has gotten to fast for these guys. What they need is:
1 Full time officials.
2. their week is 2 days conditioning, 2 days review films and policy and one day officiating.
3. offseason is spent in film review, policy review and conditioning.

There needs to be an age limit also.

Somebody tell me why they can't have an official in the booth with a radio that talks to the guys on the field constantly.
"Hey, you missed that one."
"Dude, that was face-mask"
"The play clock expired, you need to call it"

Seems simple to this simpleton from SC.

Posted by: gr81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Gr81:

They need to shut up in Seattle and get busy signing Hutchinson to a long-term deal.

Shaun's gone..don't you think?

Absolutely Hutch should be our #1 priority, no doubt. Yeah shaun is gone, and fucc him. He says he wants to stay, which I don't have a problem with, as long as they don't pay him LD type of dollars. We got Hutch, Jurevicious, Makc Strong, rocky bernard, Manuel just of the top. I certainly won't cry when he leaves thou, especially when he is behnd the cardinals O line or some shit, see hwo many times he gets in the endzone then..lol. If he knows whats good for his career he'll stay, thats for sure

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

I completely agree on the full-time officials thing and they certainly need to be in better shape. That Ben Watson tackle on the 1 that should have been a change of possession was no one's fault, there was no way more than 1 offiical was going to be down at the goal line to see where the ball crossed. I don't understand why they don't get full-time young guys. What exactly does having a 50+ year old guy calling a game bring to the table. You could honestly get 25 year old college grads and train them over a summer to be better than these guys.

The problem with the guy in the booth is that alot of the stuff like PI are judgement calls. There needs to be more reliability between officials, the problem is that right now there is not. How many officials would have ruled that Polamalu interception a no-catch?

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Most guys don't know that call, but it's there, trust me. I'm not gunna go diggin it up(I don't even know where to look), but I'm not lying on this one man...

Any change of posession outlaws an offensive OR defensive player to take out someone below the knees who isn't carrying the ball. Otherwise the lead blockers on every kick return would be cut down by the first defenders so that the remaining defenders can swarm the ball carrier.
Illegal chop block, although I'm unaware if that is the actual name of the call since is was a defensive illegal chop.
If it WASN'T an interception, or a change of possesion, it would be in the rules. But that play was a penatly.

I'm suprised that you guys thought that was a bad call! It was balant, and had to be called! I'm not sure at ALL what you guys are trying to tell me. It was a foul, how was it not!? Imagine a player being tackled, and by ACCIDENT the tackle throws his arms around the players body and catches the facemask. Sure, it was by accident, but you still can't do that.... penalties will be called. Hasslebeck hit the blocker well before he hit the tackler. Tough call indeed to make, but not nearly as controversial as the pass interfereance call and those other ridiculous calls.

Posted by: Pepper

Hlanderr, you have to be a troll. No one, I repeat, no one could honestly believe what you say. No way. I call troll..big time.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

One call that clearly appeared erroneous came after that penalty, when Hasselbeck threw an interception to Pittsburgh's Ike Taylor, then made the tackle but was called for a block below the waist, giving the Steelers an extra 15 yards. They scored soon afterward on a pass from Antwaan Randle El to Hines Ward. Replays showed Hasselbeck never made contact with the player he was supposed to have hit illegally, instead going straight to Taylor to make the tackle.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Ike Taylor intercepted Hasselbeck deep in Pittsburgh territory. Hasselbeck stopped Taylor at the Pittsburgh 29 with a perfectly executed form tackle across Taylor's knees. The refs flagged Hasselbeck for illegally "blocking" Taylor across his knees and gave the Steelers 15 additional yards.

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandf...ndforks_sports

Posted by: largepkg

And it's a quote from my home town paper. That actually got something right...

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

After a sack, Hasselbeck threw a pick and then was penalized 15 yards for making the tackle. I'm not kidding. The same thing happened in the Indy-Pittsburgh game in the regular season. It's like the officials become so discombobulated during the change of possession that they just randomly start throwing flags. The call was that Hasselbeck had thrown an illegal block below the waist on the return. Never mind that Hasselbeck wasn't trying to block anybody and did, in fact, make the tackle. Just another terrible call that cannot be reviewed in Paul Tagliabue's NFL.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192

Posted by: devildog88

The part that everyone is missing here is they must posses GOOD JUDGEMENT. It doesn't matter if the officials are full time or not. If they have shitty judgement all of the reviews and conditioning in the world isn't going to help them.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by devildog88

The part that everyone is missing here is they must posses GOOD JUDGEMENT. It doesn't matter if the officials are full time or not. If they have shitty judgement all of the reviews and conditioning in the world isn't going to help them.

Word.

Posted by: largepkg

Every football fan understands you can't cut/chop an opposing player. This however does not apply when a defensive player is making an attempt to tackle the offensive player.

Now the word "attempt" leaves this call open for judgment. That call however was ridiculous. There is/was no person on this earth that can honestly say he was not attempting to tackle the ball carrier. Hell, he did tackle him!

Can you even recall a similar situation to this? I can't.

If this call was a correct call then the refs are missing 2-3 calls like this a game. Think about it. How many screen passes do you see were the O line sets up a wall and the defenders are diving to get to the ball carrier? I have never seen a chop block called on any of these type plays. I wonder why?

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

Hlanderr, you have to be a troll. No one, I repeat, no one could honestly believe what you say. No way. I call troll..big time.

You don't even know the rules of the game you talk so much of..... I can't believe you guys

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by largepkg

Every football fan understands you can't cut/chop an opposing player. This however does not apply when a defensive player is making an attempt to tackle the offensive player.

Now the word "attempt" leaves this call open for judgment. That call however was ridiculous. There is/was no person on this earth that can honestly say he was not attempting to tackle the ball carrier. Hell, he did tackle him!

Can you even recall a similar situation to this? I can't.

If this call was a correct call then the refs are missing 2-3 calls like this a game. Think about it. How many screen passes do you see were the O line sets up a wall and the defenders are diving to get to the ball carrier? I have never seen a chop block called on any of these type plays. I wonder why?

No, its only a change of posession. Screen plays are not a change of possesion. Why would the ref call that!?!??!! He had to have SOME form of penalty in mind!!!!! I don't see where you guys are coming from.

Do you somehow think they MADE up a penalty? In the BIGGEST FOOTBALL GAME OF THE YEAR!?

I still don't see where you guys are coming from. How could that not be called!?!?!?

There is NO room for "maybe" in the rules. He WAS going for the ball carrier, but he took out the blocker first. There is no "maybe" calls in the NFL rules. You either have a penalty or you don't. They don;t leave it up to the refs to decide if it was intentional or not. Facemasks are unintentional most of the time too, but they still call those too! Half the time its for a split second too, and completely unitentional. BUT, still a penalty...

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192

It's amazing how many people don't even know the rules of the game.... I'll take a ref's word over some sportscasters word 999/1000 times. The refs get PAID to know the rules of the game, and to enforce them.

Posted by: gr81

Quote:

There is no judgement in NFL rules.

dude, its all judgement, and it will always BE judgement until we take the human element out of it. what a stupid thing to say..?!

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by gr81

dude, its all judgement, and it will always BE judgement until we take the human element out of it. what a stupid thing to say..?!

Yes, that came off wrong.

There is JUDGEMENT, such as pass interferance.
But these guys are trying to describe how since he was going for the ball carrier(moreso, unintentional), that the call should not have been called.
The refs don't call penalties depending on the situation but rather if the penalty was made or not. There is judgement to see if the penatly actually happened, but they can't possibly factor in other reasons. Otherwise there would be NO rule on unitentional facemasks. Those are 5 yard penalties..... but it's still unintenional, just like that play.

Posted by: musclepump

Hard for a team to play the guys in zebra stripes, too!

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

It's amazing how many people don't even know the rules of the game.... I'll take a ref's word over some sportscasters word 999/1000 times. The refs get PAID to make sure the Steelers win.

Damn you to hell

Posted by: largepkg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

Think about what you are saying here. Why would a chop block only be called on a change of possession?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist partner. I never said they made it up. They just made a ridiculously horrendous call. I'm so confused as to how you can't see that. Hasselback went for the tackle and completed the tackle with no malice to any other player. By your account he is not allowed to touch another player while completing the tackle? WOW!

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Damn you to hell

Dale, what the fuck, I never typed that.

Posted by: largepkg

O boy!

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by largepkg

I guess your not seeing what I mean yet....

It's an actual rule, just like how you can't grab a facemask. I'm really not BS'ing you on that.... that is actually a rule on this.

On a change of posession, NEITHER team is allowed to chop block other players. That goes for such things as kickoffs, and in this case interceptions. I know for a fact it's an actual rule.

What Hasselbeck did, was make a awesome tackle. BUT, in the process of doing so, he had to go through a blocker first. He went to chop the ball carrier and chopped the blocker FIRST. That's breaking a rule. Just as if a defensive end went to go tackle the quarterback and facemasked the offensive lineman. And I know your not a conspiracer either, you just didn't like the calls. I didn't either, but this call I completely understand, probably because I'm familiar with the rule.

Of course you can touch another player while making the play. BUT, Hasslebeck hit the blocker first. The act of him chopping the blocker BEFORE him chopping the ball carrier is a penalty. YOU CAN'T CHOP A BLOCKER ON A CHANGE OF POSSESION. It's a rule.

I'm starting to think you guys are fucking with me. This is maybe the FOURTH time I've typed this, and it doesn't even seem like you guys are correctly reading what I'm typing.

Just to be clear in case your not:
It is illegal to chop (aside from the ball carrier) ANYBODY on a change of posession.
-You CAN do that on screen plays. It is an offensive play, not a change of posession (such as a kickoff or an interception)
-You CAN come in contact with another player while making the tackle. BUT, if you CHOPPED the blocker in front of him to get to the ball carrier, that would be a penalty.

Please read it. I've seriously typed the rule a half dozen times, and you havn't seemed to correctly read it yet. It's a rule, and I know it. The refs would be in prison if they made up some weird call for that. They called it because it was a penalty.

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by largepkg

O boy!

Dude how do you think I feel. I'm the only one here that seems to know what the ref called on that play. It's a rule you guys havn't seemed to learn yet in the NFL, but it's there. I've literally typed the rule four or five times and no one has picked up on it yet. You guys still think the call came out of NOWHERE.

Posted by: devildog88

A chop block in the NFL and NCAA is defined as blocking another player below the waist while they are engaged with yet another player above the waist. It was designed and implemented to protect offensive linemen who were being blocked on their knees while they were engaged above the waist. I think the rule you are talking about is a block below the waist on a change of possesion.

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by devildog88

A chop block in the NFL and NCAA is defined as blocking another player below the waist while they are engaged with yet another player above the waist. It was designed and implemented to protect offensive linemen who were being blocked on their knees while they were engaged above the waist. I think the rule you are talking about is a block below the waist on a change of possesion.

That is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. It's the same motion, diving at someones legs to take them to the ground. I have been using it as a short name instead of typing blocking below the waist.

By the way, do you agree with me on this situation? These guys don't seem to piece together the rules on this situtation, telling me that the call was completely rediculous.

Hasslebeck dove, took out the lead blocker below the waist, and then shortly thereafter took out the ball carrier. KEY NOTE is that he took out the blocker FIRST. That's a penalty.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

I'm a bit late, but can I add to the pissing match?

The officiating may have sucked, but not nearly as bad as BOTH teams played, considering these are supposed to be the best teams in the NFL

.

I think my Ohio State Buckeyes could have beaten either team, cuz the coaching staff knows how to play in big games

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

To be honest, I didn't even watch the game, i got high on crack and went looking for tunnel bunnies in Camden.

True story

Posted by: Doublebase

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

I think Hlanderr was referring to the guy who was blocking for the DB's blocker. You know what I'm saying? I dont' remember if there was one or not. I remember the call. He hit the back below the waist and it was an amazing play on Hasselbacks part. I think Hlanderr thought Hasselback tackled a blocker or something. I dont' know.

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

To be honest, I didn't even watch the game, i got high on crack and went looking for tunnel bunnies in Camden.

Lies!!!! You took away a touchdown!! You Bradshaw wannabe.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

That looks like my dad.

Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

That looks like my dad.

i thought topolo was your dad?

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

I think watching the play before commenting might have been a good idea. The only person he hit was the DB with the ball.

You are the only person out of hundreds I have heard comment on that call say it was a good call. Perhaps you are smoking crack on this one?

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

do your telling me that THEY CALLED ILLEGAL BLOCK BELOW THE WAIST WHEN ON A TACKLE!?!?!?!?

im pretty sure, PRETTY SURE, the refs would call it only if there was a ILLEGAL BLOCK BELOW THE WAIST

i think you need to watch the play again. you were at the game, right? maybe you didn't see the blocker in front (I won't question why). There was a blocker in front of him that was taken out by Hasslebeck.

You guys are still stuck on thinking that call came out of NOWHERE. There was definetly a guy there, you watch. Hasslebeck hits him first in the knee. he falls over. Penalty. I don't see how you guys can't piece that together. You somehow get lost in the few things that happened in that play.

Watch it again. THERE IS SOMEONE THERE. I think it was a linebacker. He was in between Hasslebeck and the ball carrier. In football, that would be called BLOCKER. If he is taken out on a change of possesion below the waist, thats a penalty. Get it now!?

Posted by: Pepper

Ayrts?

Posted by: Hlanderr

I have NO IDEA why others don't see this call. The strange part of it is that you guys DON'T GIVE A REASON for the call. You understand a penalty was called, but you don't understand why. It's like not understanding what a facemask call is. You see your team get called for it, you have no idea what it means, and all you say is TERRIBLE OFFICIATING.

This is pathetic. If you're going to argue a call, EXPLAIN WHY. Not one post regards to why the call was wrong. You start making up shit, like that there wasn't a lead blocker, and how the rule doesn't exist.

Posted by: largepkg

Good grief! The reason for the call was it was a bad call. He attempted the tackle and made the tackle without contact the opposing player (blocker) first, case closed.

Are you so gullible as to believe the refs are infallible?

I will say after reviewing each play in more detail the game wasn't as poorly called as I first thought. The judgment calls could have gone either way. It just happened to go against Seattle. The one exception would be this call though.

I was watching Inside The NFL last night and they went over pretty much every play. I'm sure the NFL had something to do with their programing because they highlighted each penalty to show why the refs made that particular call. The one glaring absence was this call! I wonder why?

Posted by: min0 lee

Is the game still on?

Posted by: largepkg

Hey Buddy! You wanna take it outside?

Posted by: min0 lee

I'll pass, I just had my nails done.

Posted by: Hlanderr

Quote:

Originally Posted by largepkg

Good grief! The reason for the call was it was a bad call. He attempted the tackle and made the tackle without contact the opposing player (blocker) first, case closed.

Are you so gullible as to believe the refs are infallible?

I will say after reviewing each play in more detail the game wasn't as poorly called as I first thought. The judgment calls could have gone either way. It just happened to go against Seattle. The one exception would be this call though.

I was watching Inside The NFL last night and they went over pretty much every play. I'm sure the NFL had something to do with their programing because they highlighted each penalty to show why the refs made that particular call. The one glaring absence was this call! I wonder why?

Dude, come on.
You saw the play. He took out the blocker first. The guy was in mid air from the hit before Hasslebeck came in contact with the ball carrier.

Posted by: gr81

jesus christ, who cares, give it up. refs made bad calls and the NFL made it clear that it will continue, so get ready.

Posted by: shiznit2169

all of this shit u guys say isn't going to solve anything .. give it up

Seattle will never make it back to the superbowl again. It was definitely a fluke because of their easy .. EASY schedule they had this year and a GOOD offensive line that did all the work for shaun alexander.

They will not make the playoffs next year .. if they do, it's because the 49ers, cardinals, and rams suck and they will lose the 1st round anyways.

NFC SUCKS .. AFC won the superbowl the last 4 years, and 5 of the last 6

Posted by: gr81

Quote:

GOOD offensive line that did all the work for shaun alexander.

GREAT O line that did ALL the work!!

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

all of this shit u guys say isn't going to solve anything .. give it up

Seattle will never make it back to the superbowl again. It was definitely a fluke because of their easy .. EASY schedule they had this year and a GOOD offensive line that did all the work for shaun alexander.

They will not make the playoffs next year .. if they do, it's because the 49ers, cardinals, and rams suck and they will lose the 1st round anyways.

NFC SUCKS .. AFC won the superbowl the last 4 years, and 5 of the last 6

They'll definitely make it back to the playoffs. The beauty of the NFC. What's great is that the Pats have an easier schedule this year than the Seahawks did this past year. The beauty of being matched with the NFC South.

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

Your post is totally contradictory. The Seahawks will never make it back to the SB b/c the AFC is so much better?

Seattle is the early favorite to win the NFC next year. I think there are at least three, if not four, AFC teams with higher odds to WIN the SB. They are matched up with the old AFC West next year, should be interesting. Those teams owned Seattle when they were in the AFC West.

Posted by: Flex

I didn't take an hour to read all 7 pages, but I'll give my opinion whether it's been said already or not....

That Off. Pass Int. call was no doubt questionable. Did he push off? No. When you are about to make contact with someone (as the WR did with the DB) you naturally put your arms up, you don't keep them at your sides. When you are going to run you naturally flail your arms, you don't keep them at your sides. So, do i think he pushed off? No. BUT, it did look like that, so that's why the refs called it.

Secondly, it didn't look like Ben got in on the QB scramble.....and I had $ on Pitt so i wanted them to win.

Here's the deal.........did the refs have a factor in the game? Sure they did. But, Seattle didn't play well enough anyway to win either way.

Posted by: Hlanderr

blah

Posted by: bigss75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flex

I didn't take an hour to read all 7 pages, but I'll give my opinion whether it's been said already or not....

That Off. Pass Int. call was no doubt questionable. Did he push off? No. When you are about to make contact with someone (as the WR did with the DB) you naturally put your arms up, you don't keep them at your sides. When you are going to run you naturally flail your arms, you don't keep them at your sides. So, do i think he pushed off? No. BUT, it did look like that, so that's why the refs called it.

That was most def. a push off, he sends the defender back two steps

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigss75

That was most def. a push off, he sends the defender back two steps

two steps?? that's ridiculous!

Posted by: Pepper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hlanderr

blah

The head of NFL officials was on the NFL network and said the 15 yard penalty on Hasselbeck for "tackling below the waist" was a BLOWN CALL.

He defended the officials on EVERY OTHER call, but not that one. He referenced the rule that you think we are so stupid for not understanding and said that the rule does not apply b/c Hasselbeck missed the lead "blocker."

This is the HEAD of officiating saying that you are dead wrong.

http://www.nfl.com/
Go to the side that says "NFL Network"
In the drop down, select Official Review: Super Bowl XL

I hope this ends your ridiculous support for that call.

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