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Originally Posted by section8
Damnit! Not good for the Orioles either! Why is that the Jays know to load up on players and the Orioles can't get shit for a pitcher!!!
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
Not good for the Yankees, why didn't the Angels sign him? Anyone know?
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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon
Man, the Jays are loading up. They're going to be a force this season.
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Originally Posted by section8
Damnit! Not good for the Orioles either! Why is that the Jays know to load up on players and the Orioles can't get shit for a pitcher!!!
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Originally Posted by section8
Damnit! Not good for the Orioles either! Why is that the Jays know to load up on players and the Orioles can't get shit for a pitcher!!!
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
The Orioles used to be one of the best run organizations till this new ownership took over.
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Originally Posted by section8
Used to be they depended on their farm organization to develop players. Now its lets pay a lot of money to get a lot of power and forget all about the pitching. I thought letting Mussina go was a horrible mistake, take a guy like him and build a pitching staff around him so he can help younger guys develop. But back to the topic, the Jays are looking good right now. |
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
That's the way it should, I don't mind free agency to get the final piece, a player here there but when your team is built mostly on free agents then thats a problem.
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Interesting statement coming from somebody whose a fan of the Yankees who will have only 4-5 players brought up through the system this season, while the other 20 are from free agency and trades.
Although, I understand what your saying. The Orioles act as if they have the Yankees funds, when in reality no one but the Yankees themselves come even close in that regard. |
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<H2>Welcome to the Dark Side Red Sox use familiar formula to reach baseball's mountaintop </H2>cnnEAUrl="/writers";function cnnEmailAlerts() {document.location.href='/alerts'+cnnEAUrl;} window.onerror=function(){clickURL=document.locati on.href;return true;} if(!self.clickURL) clickURL=parent.location.href;  A bloated payroll. Mercenaries up and down the roster. A large Northeast city celebrating a World Series title. The media, with its East Coast bias, shoving it down your throats. The Yankees? Guess again. It's Red Sox, circa 2004. Or, as I like to call them, "Yankees Jr." Once this occult fascination with ghosts and curses dies down, many average baseball fans will wake up and realize who they've been rooting for this whole time. Talk about beer goggles. This morning after won't be pretty. The past couple of years many of us have portrayed the Red Sox in the same vein as the Cubs, lovable losers whose fans remain loyal throughout every heartbreaking moment. Cinderellas. The $185 million Yankees? They are the bullies, and we band together like lemmings to see them get their noses bloodied. But if the Red Sox are the underdogs, what does that make the Twins? Does that mean the Royals are downright Liliputian? The Red Sox have the largest payroll -- $120 million -- of any team ever to win a World Series. If you ever have accused a team of buying a championship, then that same charge has to apply to these Red Sox as well. With that much to spend, the surprise should be if they don't win a championship or at least come close every year. Of the four Yankees teams to win under Joe Torre, the highest payroll was $112 million in 2000. In 2001, Arizona shelled out $85 million for its title; the Angels spent $62 million for their 2002 crown; and the upstart Marlins' payroll was $54 million in 2003. Torre's champions, while highly compensated, also had more than a few homegrown players on them. Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams and Andy Pettitte were drafted and developed by Evil Empire, Inc. How many among the Red Sox regulars can be considered "homegrown?" Trot Nixon and, if you want to count him, rookie Kevin Youkilis (two at-bats this postseason). It was the Red Sox who brought the Star Wars analogy into play with this rivalry when they labeled the Yankees the "Evil Empire." That would make the Red Sox the Rebellion -- Johnny Damon as Chewbacca? Darth Vader as Pedro's daddy? -- which just blew up the Death Star to free the galaxy of tyranny. But in the final analysis, that analogy doesn't quite work. It's more like one Death Star blowing up another. Financially, Boston and New York have distanced themselves so greatly from the rest of major league baseball that they can afford to use the other 28 teams as their own farm systems. Nothing better illustrates this point than the tug of war these franchises waged over the services of Alex Rodriguez and his insane contract last offseason. Who else but the Yankees and Red Sox were equipped to take on that kind of price tag? That was just a preview of things to come. Every year will be an exercise in mixing and matching parts from downtrodden teams (i.e. Curt Schilling from Arizona) in hopes of fabricating a champion. Congratulations, Red Sox. You have figured out how to beat the Yankees. You have become them. |
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
Manny was a cleveland product, Ortiz was from the Twins, Pedro was from I think the Expos, Damon was from Oakland.........
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Don't get me wrong, I never said anything in regards to the Red Sox on this one. I couldnt.
The only Red Sox players who were awarded rings that were 'homegrown' were Trot Nixon, Kevin Youkilis, Nomar Garciaparra, Derek Lowe, Jason Varitek, Abe Alvarez, Nomar wasn't apart of the team upon winning although he recieved a ring. Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek were traded for as 'a-ball' prospects (does the name Heathcliff Slocumb ring a bell?), so while homegrown in every sense of the word, they still were not drafted by the Red Sox. You knew it was coming, that was the first time in my life i've actually been able to tell somebody that. |
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
Lowe I believe was originally from Seattle.
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Originally Posted by min0 lee
Truth be told, I am a Met fan but I do root for the home teams. You tend to hear me speak more of the Yankees because that's all anyone ever talks about, the Yanks and Boston. I think this year the Mets will improve, I hope. For some reason everytime they get a good player they go bad, why...maybe it's the ballpark. Shea has always been a pitchers park. |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Well isn't that just dandy. I love the Mets.
Well, not love, but I do root for them as my 'National League' team from time to time, or atleast had in years past until Omar Minaya ruined them. |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
not giving Mussina six years and 90 million dollars was one of the better moves Angelos and the Orioles have made in the last decade.
and the Orioles are developing pitching. Bedard is a frontline southpaw, Cabrera is an excellent number three... |
| I agree that Mussina was wanting a lot of money but he was still young then. |
| As Bedard and Cabrera they have major improvements to make. A 30-30 combined carrer record and an average ERA of 4.7 is not good pitching. |
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My point is this, they have all the offensive fire power they could want, but good pitching beats good hitting almost everytime and they did nothing this ofseason to go out and get a top notch pitcher and try to build a staff around the guy. I'm glad that they have Lopez, Tejada, Mora, Conine...etc, but you have to have pitching. Thier staff may develop, I could be wrong but they have never impressed me and the owners to me are ruining what used to be a solid team |
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
I don't see how his age matters here. Had the Orioles given him six years and 90 million dollars which they would have had to do, they'd have another year of paying a declining mediocre pitcher 15 million dollars per year, and odds are if they had made this move Tejada wouldn't be around.
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Yes, career wins and losses for improving youngsters is a great metric to use...
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Originally Posted by soxmuscle
Yes, everybody knows pitching wins, that is beside the point. I'm just glad, for your teams sake, that your not running the show, or else your O's would be paying an injury prone AJ Burnett 11 million dollars per year for the next five. The same AJ Burnett, who by your favorite metric (wins & losses), is 49-50, a game under .500 for his career.
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