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Posted by: nitrous_nate

Well guys it has been fun for 7 weeks but my fun is over. I have been taking test and deca for 7 weeks and had real good gains.My lifts are higher than ever and my size to boot but healthwise I am decideing to throw in the towel. My past has had trouble with my liver and one cycle was pretty bad some of you know. At this point my liver enzymes and billyrubin are high enough again for my doctor to advise me to quit emmidiatly and for my sense I think it is a good call also. My question to everyone is coming off so sudden what kind of pct can I do to be the least harmfull on my liver and to keep what I have gained? I have nolva and clomid oral form from ag guys. I did not take any of the nolva on cycle because I was never gyno prone before and also was not this time- i guess I am lucky for that. So taking into consideration my situation and what I have what would be the safeest best wya to restore my natural test and not crash from this sudden stop? Lemme know what you guys think, guess I got 13 more days to decide what to do for pct and really need your guys input and help Thanx Nate

Posted by: Mudge

Just to confirm, you ran no orals at all? Did you eat a lot of dirty foods on cycle?

Posted by: nitrous_nate

no orals at all!! I ate cleaner than I ever have or do and protein intake is never lower than 200gr. per day and believe my lowest calorie day is 3000 but try to average 4500 -5000 daily

Posted by: redflash

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Originally Posted by nitrous_nate

Well guys it has been fun for 7 weeks but my fun is over. I have been taking test and deca for 7 .... So taking into consideration my situation and what I have what would be the safest best wya to restore my natural test and not crash from this sudden stop? :

You don't say what ester the test is but even if you have been running prop the deca's half-life of 14 days or so means this will not be the "sudden stop" you talk about - you'll still have half the deca (and any test cyp or enan) in your system in two weeks time.

You don't mention having run HCG on cycle - Deca is suppressive of your own test production so going straight into Nolva-only PCT might not be the best thing to do.

Personally, I'd treat the next two weeks as "on cycle" while the deca (and long ester test if that's what you used) in your system gradually fade away. I'd do some low dose HCG (300-400IU every 3-4 days) along with 40mg ED Nolva for the next couple of weeks, and then four weeks of Nolva-only PCT. But others more experienced than me might differ.

Good luck,

Flash

Posted by: Pirate!

Do you have HCG and an AI? I'd start this immediately:

Weeks 1-2: Adex .25 mg/day (or other AI)
Weeks 1-2: HCG 500 iu EOD
Weeks 1-6 Tamoxifen Citrate 30 mg/day (20 mg/day if tabs)

Posted by: nitrous_nate

Sorry the test is qv test enan 250. I do not have any hcg or access to it. I only have nolva and clomid and need to take it the best time but also keep in mind I need to take an amount that will not be any more toxic to my liver. Hope this clears a little up as I should have been more specific.

Posted by: TJ Cline

I don't see any mention of the liver in the SIDE EFFECTS of nolvadex.

Posted by: nitrous_nate

Well I got the luquid nolva from ag guys and thought I read somewhere where it was liver toxic with what it was suspended with? I could be wrong or just one of those post trying to badmouth nolva for all of its sides. At what does should I tyr that would be most affective? I have both but is nolva my #1 choice for pct?

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by nitrous_nate

Well I got the luquid nolva from ag guys and thought I read somewhere where it was liver toxic with what it was suspended with? I could be wrong or just one of those post trying to badmouth nolva for all of its sides. At what does should I tyr that would be most affective? I have both but is nolva my #1 choice for pct?

PM him and ask if it is liver toxic.
If so then just skip PCT and stop the cycle....

Posted by: Pirate!

Nolva is liver toxic, but it isn't that bad. I recommend you continue to monitor your liver values during pct. No one here is in a position to tell you how much nolva is ideal for someone with a pre-existing liver condition.

Posted by: ag-guys

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Originally Posted by nitrous_nate

Well guys it has been fun for 7 weeks but my fun is over. I have been taking test and deca for 7 weeks and had real good gains.My lifts are higher than ever and my size to boot but healthwise I am decideing to throw in the towel. My past has had trouble with my liver and one cycle was pretty bad some of you know. At this point my liver enzymes and billyrubin are high enough again for my doctor to advise me to quit emmidiatly and for my sense I think it is a good call also. My question to everyone is coming off so sudden what kind of pct can I do to be the least harmfull on my liver and to keep what I have gained? I have nolva and clomid oral form from ag guys. I did not take any of the nolva on cycle because I was never gyno prone before and also was not this time- i guess I am lucky for that. So taking into consideration my situation and what I have what would be the safeest best wya to restore my natural test and not crash from this sudden stop? Lemme know what you guys think, guess I got 13 more days to decide what to do for pct and really need your guys input and help Thanx Nate

Nolva or any oral can be hard on liver to some extent. Nolva isnt too bad though. Always be safe and talk to doctor.

AG
www.ag-guys.com

Posted by: nitrous_nate

Have doctor appointment this week and will let ya know what he says. Thanks for all the support and I will keep ya updated as to where it goes form now.

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