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Posted by: CowPimp

I was just curious what type of techniques some of you personal trainers out there use to teach clients how to perform freeweight movements properly. There is the occasional person I try to show a squat to, for example, who just doesn't get it. Sometimes I think it might be a lack of flexibility or something so ROM has to be gradually increased, but sometimes they just don't get it. What kind of methods do you use to get the point across?



Posted by: shiznit2169

have you shown your client how to perform it by having them watch you?

tell them simple analogies to compare certain lifts to other things that are similar?

That's all i can think of for now



Posted by: mrmark

I have a similar poblem. Just got a new training partner who is new to training but very keen. It's taken about a month for him to get used to the squating/deadlifts.

What I did was have him sit down on a bench, sit up straight with his back arched correctly, then straighten his legs so he could see how his back was supposed to be.

Hope that helped.



Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by shiznit2169
have you shown your client how to perform it by having them watch you?

tell them simple analogies to compare certain lifts to other things that are similar?

That's all i can think of for now
I always demonstrate first. I use a painfully light weight so that I can go really slow and dissect the movement as I go down. I haven't had much trouble as of yet, but tips are always helpful nonetheless.

Yeah mark, having them sit on a box or bench is probably a good idea. The thing is I like to try to get people squatting deep from the start, and your average bench isn't low enough. Of course, not everyone is capable of a deep squat right out of the gates, but I try to get them to do it if at all possible.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

I also have them squat to something, but it is something that is very low. There is typically a step kicking around whether it be an aerobic one or the bottom one from a flight of stairs. Tell them to sit back and boom.

I initially do an unweighted overhead squat test to see where they may be lacking along the kinetic chain in strength and flexibility. The first time I have them do it I have them do it the way they want to do it, then I instruct them on the proper way to do it. That gives you an idea of their normal movement pattern. You may have a person that can do it perfectly when instructed without weight but when you add weight their form sucks. If there are no flexibility/strength issues seen by the unweighted test, there could still be poor motor patterns, which typically show up more with heavier weights.



Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
I also have them squat to something, but it is something that is very low. There is typically a step kicking around whether it be an aerobic one or the bottom one from a flight of stairs. Tell them to sit back and boom.

I initially do an unweighted overhead squat test to see where they may be lacking along the kinetic chain in strength and flexibility. The first time I have them do it I have them do it the way they want to do it, then I instruct them on the proper way to do it. That gives you an idea of their normal movement pattern. You may have a person that can do it perfectly when instructed without weight but when you add weight their form sucks. If there are no flexibility/strength issues seen by the unweighted test, there could still be poor motor patterns, which typically show up more with heavier weights.
Cool man. Thanks for the info. I just had a friend of mine squatting today. He came in kind of hung over. He started feeling sick by the time we got to the next exercise. Hehe.



Posted by: Squaggleboggin

Obviously I'm not a personal trainer, but I have taught a few of my friends how to do certain lifts. My brother in particular had a very tough time keeping his back straight during the whole movement on a deadlift (he also thought it was dumb to puff out the chest; I told him to stop being such a woman). So after many different tips and little tricks that typically help people, I just grabbed a piece of plywood and held it vertically on his back and told him he should feel it during the whole movement on his whole back. If his back lost contact wth the board, he was rounding; if he kept contact, he was doing it right. This really seemed to help him a ton.



Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by Squaggleboggin
Obviously I'm not a personal trainer, but I have taught a few of my friends how to do certain lifts. My brother in particular had a very tough time keeping his back straight during the whole movement on a deadlift (he also thought it was dumb to puff out the chest; I told him to stop being such a woman). So after many different tips and little tricks that typically help people, I just grabbed a piece of plywood and held it vertically on his back and told him he should feel it during the whole movement on his whole back. If his back lost contact wth the board, he was rounding; if he kept contact, he was doing it right. This really seemed to help him a ton.
That's a pretty cool idea. Thanks Squag.



Posted by: PWGriffin

slightly off topic....but who here has ever tried to give a little instruction to someone and it gone completely ignored...for instance maybe a friend at the gym is doing something kinda off or just wrong (not "different" but bad) and you offer ur 2 cents and they say some shit like, "well that's how I do it," or "I like the way this FEELS better"

Here's a good example:

Guy asks me to spot him on bench...I've seen him before, freakin retard, completely clueless...He's holding the bar somewhere between a close grip and a standard grip and when he pushes, EVEN with a spotter....not only does one arm go up faster than the other but they don't even stay even horizontally either...resulting in him banging up against the rack hooks a couple times...I tell him he might should widen his grip a little...not only so he can hold more weight, but hold it with more stability...and he replies with, "this is how I do it, I feel it in ma pecs more."





Posted by: min0 lee

Quote:
Originally Posted by PWGriffin
slightly off topic....but who here has ever tried to give a little instruction to someone and it gone completely ignored...for instance maybe a friend at the gym is doing something kinda off or just wrong (not "different" but bad) and you offer ur 2 cents and they say some shit like, "well that's how I do it," or "I like the way this FEELS better"

Here's a good example:

Guy asks me to spot him on bench...I've seen him before, freakin retard, completely clueless...He's holding the bar somewhere between a close grip and a standard grip and when he pushes, EVEN with a spotter....not only does one arm go up faster than the other but they don't even stay even horizontally either...resulting in him banging up against the rack hooks a couple times...I tell him he might should widen his grip a little...not only so he can hold more weight, but hold it with more stability...and he replies with, "this is how I do it, I feel it in ma pecs more."

All the time. I stopped offering my help once I started getting dirty looks.
I workout at Bally's and I would say 90% have poor form.



Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by PWGriffin
slightly off topic....but who here has ever tried to give a little instruction to someone and it gone completely ignored...for instance maybe a friend at the gym is doing something kinda off or just wrong (not "different" but bad) and you offer ur 2 cents and they say some shit like, "well that's how I do it," or "I like the way this FEELS better"

Here's a good example:

Guy asks me to spot him on bench...I've seen him before, freakin retard, completely clueless...He's holding the bar somewhere between a close grip and a standard grip and when he pushes, EVEN with a spotter....not only does one arm go up faster than the other but they don't even stay even horizontally either...resulting in him banging up against the rack hooks a couple times...I tell him he might should widen his grip a little...not only so he can hold more weight, but hold it with more stability...and he replies with, "this is how I do it, I feel it in ma pecs more."

No one ever takes my advice, even when they ask me for it often times. I do, however, bitch out every person I see who doesn't squat deep enough. I'm on a mission to make everyone in the fucking gym squat, and squat to parallel at least. Panzy half squatters make me mad.



Posted by: P-funk

squatting down to a bench helps.

the best way i have found to get people comfortable in that movement is to do DB plie squats for two reasons:

1) it is easier to sit back and much more comfortable to get the movement then having weight on your shoulders (usually people get scared with weight on their backs).

2) it helps establish depth as it teaches them to squat all the way until the DB touches the floor. It also gets them sitting back and using their glutes.

After a couple weeks of squatting with the DB you can move them to the BB or DB's held at shoulder witha bench or box below them to get the comfortable. After that, remove the training wheels.

Other then that, check their flexability and make sure that their calves are flexable enough to get down into a comfortable squat. if they aren't throw some 5lb plates under their heels and get them squatting and work on ankle flexability/mobility.



Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
I also have them squat to something, but it is something that is very low. There is typically a step kicking around whether it be an aerobic one or the bottom one from a flight of stairs. Tell them to sit back and boom.

I initially do an unweighted overhead squat test to see where they may be lacking along the kinetic chain in strength and flexibility. The first time I have them do it I have them do it the way they want to do it, then I instruct them on the proper way to do it. That gives you an idea of their normal movement pattern. You may have a person that can do it perfectly when instructed without weight but when you add weight their form sucks. If there are no flexibility/strength issues seen by the unweighted test, there could still be poor motor patterns, which typically show up more with heavier weights.
ditto, a squat test or an overhead squat test can tell you a lot about what a persons abilities are. I use it as part of my movement screen to asses flexability and movement control. The overhead squat (have them hold a towel) helps you to watch chest tightness and shoulder flexability.



Posted by: CowPimp

Pile squats are where they hold the DB between their legs?



Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp
Pile squats are where they hold the DB between their legs?
you got it. a kettlebell works really well too.



Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by P-funk
you got it. a kettlebell works really well too.
Ah, the place I got the job actually has kettlebells too. I might use 'em for that. Good call.



Posted by: fufu

Quote:
Originally Posted by CowPimp
No one ever takes my advice, even when they ask me for it often times. I do, however, bitch out every person I see who doesn't squat deep enough. I'm on a mission to make everyone in the fucking gym squat, and squat to parallel at least. Panzy half squatters make me mad.
I remember one day I was doing squats, there was this kid asking how long I was going to be using the rack. I told him I had 5 sets. I finished my shit and unracked the plates(something that noone else does). I walked away and I saw him load two 45's on each side of the bar. I was like "wtf" because he was going to do a first set of 225. I wanted to see what he was up to, so I just kept glancing over. He strapped on his trusty weight belt and proceeded to unrack the bar. He started the movement, went down about 1/4 of a regular squat and came back up. It was silly. hehehehehe.

btw- for me, I find I have the most power when squatting when I go just a bit past parallel.



Posted by: CowPimp

Quote:
Originally Posted by fufu
I remember one day I was doing squats, there was this kid asking how long I was going to be using the rack. I told him I had 5 sets. I finished my shit and unracked the plates(something that noone else does). I walked away and I saw him load two 45's on each side of the bar. I was like "wtf" because he was going to do a first set of 225. I wanted to see what he was up to, so I just kept glancing over. He strapped on his trusty weight belt and proceeded to unrack the bar. He started the movement, went down about 1/4 of a regular squat and came back up. It was silly. hehehehehe.

btw- for me, I find I have the most power when squatting when I go just a bit past parallel.
Yup. That's why I don't believe anyone's numbers on the Internet either, save for a few. I know that people are squatting partials most of the time.








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