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Posted by: DOMS

I need a bit of help coming up with a routine that adheres to the following criteria:

1) And upper push, upper pull, leg split
2) P/RR/S
3) Half in the AM and half in the PM

I've tried to get the optimal mix, but so far all I've got is hemorrhaging.

Help...


Posted by: Dale Mabry

I am not clued into P/RR/S so I am certainly of no help. Is this for you and what is the goal?


Posted by: DOMS

Yep, this is for me and my goal is size.


Posted by: Doublebase

I don't understand the title.


Posted by: DOMS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doublebase
I don't understand the title.


Taken from wikipedia.org:

The kitchen sink is an English phrase used to denote wildly exaggerated inclusion. It is used in phrases such as "everything but the kitchen sink".

See for example this humorous bug report that claims that the web browser Mozilla has everything but a kitchen sink.


Posted by: KelJu

Quote:
Originally Posted by DOMS
I need a bit of help coming up with a routine that adheres to the following criteria:

1) And upper push, upper pull, leg split
2) P/RR/S
3) Half in the AM and half in the PM

I've tried to get the optimal mix, but so far all I've got is hemorrhaging.

Help...
It is my understanding that working out twice a day wouldn't be a good idea, because it takes 24 hours for full CNS recovery. Someone please tell me I am wrong, because I want to start lifting 5 days a week, but I am scared that it would be over training.

Not trying to hijack your thread Doms, but this is also a good chance to ask another question. How fucking important is all of this CNS recovery shit? The reason iask is when I was in high school, my football coach made us workout Mon/Tue/Wed/Thu/Fri and I was strong as fuck back then, or at least my legs were. I workout my legs harder now than I did then, I only work them once a week, and I eat better now than ever. And it still took a cycle of Enanthate to get some god damn results.

I am really starting to doubt this once a week per movement shit I have had preached at me.


Posted by: P-funk

why not ask gopro since P/RR/S is his training method.


Posted by: DOMS

I figured that he would see it here, as well as others who may be able to help.


Posted by: Dale Mabry

Full CNS Recovery

A)doesn't necessarily take 24 hours
B)isn't always necessary

Do you think the time of recovery from a marathon and a 30 minute jog are the same? Sometimes I think that 24 hours for recovery is completely made up, I am actually pretty sure of it. The length of time for full recovery would be based on what you did, how hard you did it, and for how long. Besides, who says you ever completely recover? I would have to say that since you use your CNS every day, it is never fully recovered. My gues is they mean recovered to baseline levels. Your CNS only has to be recovered enough to put forth the intensity you require to put out. Idiots who use 100% of their 1RM everyday may encounter a point where they are shot, but someone who periodizes appropriately probably doesn't have to worry about it. CNS recovery is to 2005/2006 what functional training was to 2004, something that trainers can beat to death and market, and then move on from. Can't wait to see what the next one will be.


Posted by: P-funk

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Full CNS Recovery

A)doesn't necessarily take 24 hours
B)isn't always necessary

Do you think the time of recovery from a marathon and a 30 minute jog are the same? Sometimes I think that 24 hours for recovery is completely made up, I am actually pretty sure of it. The length of time for full recovery would be based on what you did, how hard you did it, and for how long. Besides, who says you ever completely recover? I would have to say that since you use your CNS every day, it is never fully recovered. My gues is they mean recovered to baseline levels. Your CNS only has to be recovered enough to put forth the intensity you require to put out. Idiots who use 100% of their 1RM everyday may encounter a point where they are shot, but someone who periodizes appropriately probably doesn't have to worry about it. CNS recovery is to 2005/2006 what functional training was to 2004, something that trainers can beat to death and market, and then move on from. Can't wait to see what the next one will be.

I agree. I don't think you ever recover either or at least it is very hard to do. that is what the single factor theory was about....supercompensation. Workout, the body supercompensates and then recovers fully and then workout again. that is why I buy more into the two factor theory. You workout...you gain 2 things, fitness and fatigue. You then ride that out for awhile until your level of fatigue exceeds your level of fitness gains. You unload yourself allowing the fatigue to disipate and the new acuried level of fitness to catch up and manifest itself.


Posted by: Nate K

How many days a week do you want to lift????


Posted by: DOMS

Four days. I'd workout for a day or two and take a day off.

Something like:
Mo: workout
Tu: workout
We: off
Th: workout
Fr: off
Sa: workout
Su: off

or

Mo: workout
Tu: workout
We: off
Th: workout
Fr: workout
Sa: off
Su: off


Posted by: Nate K

Mon. - Push-------------P.M-Pull
Tue
Wed---Leg-------------P.M-accessory work abs, forearm, calves, direct arm work if u want it.

Thur
Fri---Push-------------P.M.-Pull
Sat
Sun---Legs-------------P.M-accessory work abs, forearm, calves, direct arm


Posted by: Nate K

Just cycle the P-RR-S..........There are 6 main workouts...........I would probably go R.R for a week on Legs....S for a week with Pull and P for a week with Push, and cycle it that way

Just trying to help out........your training ideas are similar to something I came up with for myself.


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