Originally Posted by lnvanry

If you want a quicker acting cycle run prop/tren...maybe some orals if water retention isn't an issue.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

This is very bad advice.


At 100 mg EOD, your "sides" won't likely be bad at all. Nolva will help prevent gyno. Propecia or Avodart might mitigate the hair loss. If you are prone to stress, your anxiety may increase. What other "sides" are you concerned about? This is a pretty light weight cycle.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

why? What else is going to give you results is 3wks?

Tren is a very fast acting agent. I don't even need to explain the orals.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

It is his first cycle, and he wants no sides. Having him start prop/tren/dbol is asking for almost every side in the book. Horrible advice.

Originally Posted by madmartigan

Not really mate, I have done a lot of research... and subsequently came to the conclusion that my choice of substances was the best for me.

I currently have a full head of hair and want to keep it that way so hair loss and other side effects were a big concern of mine, deca was the best choice when weighing up the risk/reward equation.

I know many would say to add in some test. as deca is very supressive of natural T for some.... I honestly didn't find it too bad though. I reasoned that test was perhaps overkill for my initial steps into the world of steroids, and the risks of side effects were too great considering my goals.

Whilst on both deca only cycles I admitidly did experience a slight loss of libido. But on the whole I have gained 20 ibs of permanent muscle and 2 inches on my arms. Having experience no other side effects I feel I have been very succesful and with hindsight made the right choice.
Running 400mg of deca per week with the usual prescription of adding 400mg test p/w I believe I would have put on more mass than I wanted to.

If I decide to go further down the chemical route I may indeed try Test or another substance (which is what my original post is about)...
but trust me I did a load of research and would advise anyone to do so before sticking chemicals in their bodies. I am in a good position in that I belive I have built a solid base on which to build, and having kept my initial cycles fairly prudent I will be able to make decent gains on my 3rd cycle too without needing loads of gear.

Just out of interest mr. research which roids and at what dosages would you suggest for someone who is worried about hair loss?

Originally Posted by madmartigan

I know many would say to add in some test. as deca is very supressive of natural T for some.... I honestly didn't find it too bad though.

Originally Posted by madmartigan

Ok perhaps I hadn't reached my natural limit... I must be lazy! Personally I don't see an issue here... I trained naturaly for 10+ years using many training protocols, my first deca only cycle 2 yrs ago put loads of muscle on me and I kept the majority of it for 2 years until my second cycle. I didn't have the patience to put on a couple of lousy pounds a year... I want it now! and I am fairly happy with what I have achieved so whats the problem?

I don't have a hair loss problem, but there is baldness in my family and I do not want it to happen to me...or at least I don't want to bring it on quicker if I am destined for it.... hence my initial choice of deca and my susequent consideration of using test with propecia.

The medical problems you mention are also one of the reasons I chose Deca as it it widely regarded as fairly safe compared to say testosterone.

As for the crimial problems... there are none as posession of steroids is not illegal here in the UK! ha ha!

And following your logic, why risk any unwanted side effect for the gain of temporary muscle?

Originally Posted by madmartigan

Hello everyone.
Just thought that it might be interesting to post my first cycle experiences over the comming weeks just incase anyone is interested. I am 25, currently weigh about 178 have trained since I was 17.
I have decided to go for a deca only cycle of 400mg/week for 8 weeks. I have read opposing views on this, some say its a waste, others say they gain 20 pounds. The reason I didn't stack first time is because I don't want any hair loss (a lot of the blokes in my family are complete slap heads). and truith be told I am a bit of a pussy. I got some organon yellow tops from holland off a site on the net (in the uk we can import steroids legally, which is nice)
I took my first injection a week ago which freaked the fu*$ out of me, but the second one was easier. I plan to alternate my ass
cheaks for injection points. I have absorbed a lot of info from Charles Poliquin who seems to know his stuff and have chosen the following split

Day 1 - Chest, Biceps
Day 2 - Legs, Hams, Calfs
Day 3 - Off
Day 4 - Back, Triceps
Day 5 - Off
repeat.

1 week in I have already gained 1/4 inch on my arms - though this might not be due to the drugs. Does anyone know how long this stuff takes to kick in?
I have got some clomid which I plan to neck 3 weeks post cycle.
If any of you guys have any comments, advice or experiences of a similar cycle, I would be interested to hear it..... hope this post isnt to long! Cheers

Originally Posted by madmartigan

17 through to 25 is 9 years fool and I trained sparodicaly for a couple of years prior to 17. Pretty pathetic that you have to check through my old posts for small and irelivant inconsistencies - have you nothing better to do?. Sorry I don't fucking fact check and cross reference every post I make.
I have better things to do than to come on here and make up stories, everything I have written is truthful bar that one fucking small difference between this post and one I wrote 2 years ago. If I was sad enough Im sure I could find errors in you posts. Unless they are all bashing others and pretending you know it all.

One misstatement does not mean everything I wrote was B.S. If you read my historical posts fully they all corroborate with my "B.S" story as you call it.
Im just here looking for some helpful advice off some more experienced people, You are a cock for trying to knock me.

Who cares if I wasn't at my natural peak. I look good now and bar a couple of pounds of fat I am nearly at my ideal. My "natural limit" does not bother me... I just want to improve my body when I am young enough to enjoy the benefits (more pussy etc.) my reasons for doing steroids no doubt differ from yours... this does not mean mine are any less valid.



I don't want to get massive, as in my opinion, and the majority of the general public it looks ridiculous and is abhorrent to women.

You are pretty hypocritical chastising me on the health risks I took with deca... I have read post where you have recomended test to newbies which is much more side-effect prone.

p.s I saw a picture of you a while back and you just look like a fat old twat.
Why risk doing steroids to look so shit?


p.s.s. Foreman was shit.

Originally Posted by madmartigan

I whole hartedly agree my diet and training were not spot on by any means.
I can't cook for shit, I get drunk at least twice a week, and have smoked a load of weed in my time... though I did cut this out whilst on steroids.

Perhaps I would have grown without the need for steroids given time and cutting out my vices. But for some of us weight training is not all there is to life, I am young and like to party...I also want a nice body so steroids have helped me a long way towards this. I could have my dream body in a year, still young enough to enjoy having it and I would have saved myslef a load of years effort in the gym. whats the problem?


I didn't lie old man, I made a small error in a single post 2 years ago.. Didn't realise people were so fucking sad as to check. _ Wont happen again sir.

Originally Posted by madmartigan

That maybe true of most americans ... but Im from England.
In 10 years I will look 37... And I would have fully enjoyed my youth.

Originally Posted by madmartigan

Only time will tell. Loads of people binge drink over here, and those people don't look 10 years older.
Who wants to live forever.
There is more to life than bodybuilding.

Originally Posted by madmartigan

As I said, im all about balance... having fun and keeping healthy, it is possible to do both you know.

Originally Posted by madmartigan

Not really mate, I have done a lot of research... and subsequently came to the conclusion that my choice of substances was the best for me.

I currently have a full head of hair and want to keep it that way so hair loss and other side effects were a big concern of mine, deca was the best choice when weighing up the risk/reward equation.

I know many would say to add in some test. as deca is very supressive of natural T for some.... I honestly didn't find it too bad though. I reasoned that test was perhaps overkill for my initial steps into the world of steroids, and the risks of side effects were too great considering my goals.

Whilst on both deca only cycles I admitidly did experience a slight loss of libido. But on the whole I have gained 20 ibs of permanent muscle and 2 inches on my arms. Having experience no other side effects I feel I have been very succesful and with hindsight made the right choice.
Running 400mg of deca per week with the usual prescription of adding 400mg test p/w I believe I would have put on more mass than I wanted to.

If I decide to go further down the chemical route I may indeed try Test or another substance (which is what my original post is about)...
but trust me I did a load of research and would advise anyone to do so before sticking chemicals in their bodies. I am in a good position in that I belive I have built a solid base on which to build, and having kept my initial cycles fairly prudent I will be able to make decent gains on my 3rd cycle too without needing loads of gear.

Just out of interest mr. research which roids and at what dosages would you suggest for someone who is worried about hair loss?