Originally Posted by 1moretime

Hi all

I'm 21 and I've been lifting for about 4 years. I've jsut w/in the past year started lifting serisouly and have seen some results. I know not to expect an instant satisfaction, but I'm lookin to start a cycle soon. I currently take whey, CEE, and (when I can afford it) fish oil and multi's. I'm struggling w/ my diet but I'm working on it.

The qestion is, what to take? I'm completely ignorant to all steroids and cycles, and I need advice on a good beginner cycle, how to take it, doses, etc...

I really appreciate any help, thanks.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Sounds like you are a few years away from considering a steroid cycle son.

Originally Posted by 1moretime

As of right now I still want to take a stab at it, that's why I'm asking for advice instead of blindly jumping into it and fucking myself up.

I'm just looking for what a good beginner cycle would be, I'm still contemplating doing it =/.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Test only is the best beginner cycle

Originally Posted by 1moretime

Where would I get that?/How would I take it?/Doses?, Timeframe?/ Would I be taking any of that stuff to cancel out side effects and if so what?

Sorry to interrogate, but I really am that ignorant.

And Foreman, if it counts for anything, I jsut signed up today via reference, but you were one of the guys mentioned in good standing.

Originally Posted by TheCurse

perhaps you will find that what you consider negatism is only intended to benefit you ..

(repost)

Another guy afraid to dedicate himself before jumping on gear.........

Did you know that;

Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.

Originally Posted by 1moretime

What should I take to cancel out the estrogen effects

Originally Posted by TheCurse

the thing is, usually people who dont use the search feature and ask questions that have been asked a hundred times usually get lambasted by people like foreman. hence the 'here we go again'.

im disapointed in you foreman.

Originally Posted by 1moretime

So as a cycle I'd be looking at:

Test E for 8 weeks(?) 800mg per week(? Does that mean one injection per week or do I split that up?)

followed by Nolva 40mg a day for 2 weeks, and then 20mg a day for 2 more weeks.

Nolva would also be used to combat and gyno effects and used for about 3 days after the problem subsides.

I'm still confused about how to take HCG and when; and which of these are injectables and which are oral?

I really do appreciate the help btw

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

500MG a week is more than enough....done in 2 shots per week.....like monday and friday. You don't need HCG for an 8 week Test cycle.

Originally Posted by 1moretime

So an 8 week cycle and the other things listed would be sufficient? Do I take Armidex with or instead of Nolva, and are those injections or oral?

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Read the link I gave you, it has all kinds of cycles and explains in detail how each drug works and what it is for.

Originally Posted by TheCurse

perhaps you will find that what you consider negatism is only intended to benefit you ..

(repost)

Another guy afraid to dedicate himself before jumping on gear.........

Did you know that;

Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.

Originally Posted by TJ Cline

500MG a week is more than enough....done in 2 shots per week.....like monday and friday. You don't need HCG for an 8 week Test cycle.

Originally Posted by Supermans Daddy

It appears as though your mind is made up the indulge in AAS. I don't agree , however I respect your effects to learn a bit before stabb'n yourself with just anything. Bravo. As for my fellow members who kinda got on you a bit, it's all Love Homey. Real Talk. We see and hear so much of this as of late that it's just plain scarey. Give'm a pass, they give a shit bout you and on too much Juice to say it nice LOLOL.

Since you seem hell bent on this I'ma just throw this out there cause you seem like a smart guy. Go learn about compounds, what does what. Learn bout plasma level and why they are SO IMPORTANT ! Go learn bout half life and active life. Now while you research'n

I would suggest keep'n everything LOW DOSE ! You ain't Ronnie Coleman and don't need those kinda doseages. Lets say a conservative 400mg of say Test Cyp at 2 X 200mg weekly on a 4 day dose'n protocl never allow'n more than 80hrs between injects for 8 to 10 wks MAX. Once you understand half life and active life and how these can effect your plasma levels, you'll understand why I used hours instead of days as it relates to injection times. It would be Smart to have Arimidex ( Homework look up AIs) as well as Nolvodex ( also research SERM's ) and use it at .5ml EOD throughout your entire cycle. Thats as much game as I'ma give you. You gotta go find out bout PCT on your own.
Be smart, be safe, have fun............and DO YOUR HOMEWORK !!! (I might give you a pop quiz ! LOLOL)

Good Luck
Peace and Love

Originally Posted by Dragon_MD

Nice post, though I suggest using just an AI during cycle, with PCT(post cycle therapy) and a little past pct. And I highly suggest aromasin. Nolvadex could be kept on hand incase of gyno occuring even with an AI, however only if you do not add a 19nor type AAS to your cycle such as deca. Don't use nolv with deca, npp, tren, etc.

Also use clomid in your PCT along with aromasin and HCG. This is a very effective PCT.

Finally, before you do anything, keep reading and researching. Never start any cycle until you have everything you need on hand and ready to go. This includes all AAS desired to run, all ancillaries such as AI's, SERM's and, HCG, if desired, syringes, etc.