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Posted by: dumbdumbdinkel3

a few weeks ago my forearms started hurting doing biceps. and ever since then they hurt more and more. even today i went light and they still hurt just as bad. i cant get a good enough workout in to really hit up the biceps good. any advice would be great. probly gonna take a few weeks off but just want to know what everyone thinks.

Posted by: Trouble

Tendonitis

Quick description....Sports Injuries, Tendonitis, and Bursitis

The most common cause of sports injury is sudden excessive tension on a tendon or bursa, producing strain or sprain. Repeated muscle contraction, leading to exhaustion of the muscle, can result in similar injury. Sometimes tendinitis develops when the grooves in which the tendons move develop bone spurs or other mechanical abnormalities. Proper stretching and warm-up before exercise are important preventive measures.

Tendonitits is an inflammatory condition of a tendon, usually as a result of a strain. In a large majority of the cases it is a calcific tendinitis of the flexor carpi ulnaris tendon. It's an overuse injury and is the result of bad biomechanics (distribution of the load down the forearm) and also in some capacity a muscle imbalance.

Steroid injections do more harm than good (syringe being the culprit). Anti-inflammatories are suitable for temporary relief but not the most efficacious of treatments.

Only workable solution currently involves 2 stages: (1) a period of rest or cessation of the activities causing pain, followed by (2) a correction of the biomechanics that led to strain in the first place.

I would avoid all forms of standing curls and hammer curls. Standing bar curls because the shoulders have a tendency to be pushed out by the lats and then turn inward to compensate, hence pushing the elbows outward, which actually puts you in a very dangerous position closer to hammer curls. The preacher actually fixes this. Start by using an EZ bar and gripping it such that the index finger falls directly into the first groove. After a few weeks of pain-free you can do olympic barbell preacher with a grip such that the arms are parallel at every stage and the palm is facing directly vertical.

Also, after some time of being pain free, you can do preacher curls on the opposite side of the preacher, to eliminate support. What that does it keep your shoulders and arms into proper biomechanical alignment but removes the pivot support at the elbow, whereas the proper side of the preacher does the same with the pivot support.

You can ice and heat until the cows come home. And you will only be treating the side-effect of the fundamental problem.

Posted by: dumbdumbdinkel3

thanks alot really helps, sucks though that im in the middle of my cycle

Posted by: P-funk

does the pain hurt when you do anything else either? Not just biceps?

the only reason I ask it because sometimes, we see a problem arise in one place of our bodies (for example the elbow) but it could actually be a bigger problem coming from some sort of improper biomechanics elsewhere (like the shoulder).

like the the person with knee pain who can't figure out why their knee hurts (patella tendonitis) and they keep on wondering what is wrong with their knee.....but, the problem is that they lack ankle mobility at is causing the problem.

Mike Boyle taught me this and I agree with him....he said, if you look at the joints in the human body they go in a sequence of mobile, stable, mobile.....so, you have ankle (mobile), knee (stable), hip (mobile), spine (stable), shoulder (mobile), elbow (stable)......Usually, the pain from movement is displayed in the stable joint but it is actually the mobile joint (on either side of it) that is causing the pain..so, knee pain? check the ankle or the hip.....shoulder pain, check the thoracic spine (ie scapula stabalizers), elbow pain...possibly check the shoulder joint.

Just some more food for thought.

Posted by: dumbdumbdinkel3

only when i do biceps, nothing else at all....letting go of the bar is the worst part of the pain, i gotta open my hands very slow to ease the pain. it all started when i was trying this shock method out and it consisted of heavy sets and i felt something wrong with it and ever since...

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by dumbdumbdinkel3

only when i do biceps, nothing else at all....letting go of the bar is the worst part of the pain, i gotta open my hands very slow to ease the pain. it all started when i was trying this shock method out and it consisted of heavy sets and i felt something wrong with it and ever since...

shock method?

anyway, that is good that it doesn't hurt during other things. rest and ice.

Posted by: assassin

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Originally Posted by dumbdumbdinkel3

a few weeks ago my forearms started hurting doing biceps. and ever since then they hurt more and more. even today i went light and they still hurt just as bad. i cant get a good enough workout in to really hit up the biceps good. any advice would be great. probly gonna take a few weeks off but just want to know what everyone thinks.

the only solution for this is to rest for few days untill u r ready to lift again i had this problem before when i finished the biceps workout and on the next day i made intense movements with my fore arms ....rest for few days u'll be ok

Posted by: John Benz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouble

Tendonitis

Quick description....Sports Injuries, Tendonitis, and Bursitis

The most common cause of sports injury is sudden excessive tension on a tendon or bursa, producing strain or sprain. Repeated muscle contraction, leading to exhaustion of the muscle, can result in similar injury. Sometimes tendinitis develops when the grooves in which the tendons move develop bone spurs or other mechanical abnormalities. Proper stretching and warm-up before exercise are important preventive measures.

Tendonitits is an inflammatory condition of a tendon, usually as a result of a strain. In a large majority of the cases it is a calcific tendinitis of the flexor carpi ulnaris tendon. It's an overuse injury and is the result of bad biomechanics (distribution of the load down the forearm) and also in some capacity a muscle imbalance.

Steroid injections do more harm than good (syringe being the culprit). Anti-inflammatories are suitable for temporary relief but not the most efficacious of treatments.

Only workable solution currently involves 2 stages: (1) a period of rest or cessation of the activities causing pain, followed by (2) a correction of the biomechanics that led to strain in the first place.

I would avoid all forms of standing curls and hammer curls. Standing bar curls because the shoulders have a tendency to be pushed out by the lats and then turn inward to compensate, hence pushing the elbows outward, which actually puts you in a very dangerous position closer to hammer curls. The preacher actually fixes this. Start by using an EZ bar and gripping it such that the index finger falls directly into the first groove. After a few weeks of pain-free you can do olympic barbell preacher with a grip such that the arms are parallel at every stage and the palm is facing directly vertical.

Also, after some time of being pain free, you can do preacher curls on the opposite side of the preacher, to eliminate support. What that does it keep your shoulders and arms into proper biomechanical alignment but removes the pivot support at the elbow, whereas the proper side of the preacher does the same with the pivot support.

You can ice and heat until the cows come home. And you will only be treating the side-effect of the fundamental problem.

Excellent advice from Trouble. I agree with every word. If the pain persists see an ART (Active Release technique) doc.

Posted by: Trouble

Can you please provide a simple explanation of ART? I think it might be useful for our members to hear about it, and when it should be considered for treatment, as well as brief list of the types of sports injuries that respond to active release therapy.

Thanks for your helpful reply, in advance!

Posted by: John Benz

What is Active Release Technique (ART)?

ART is a patented, state-of-the-art soft tissue system that treats problems with muscles, tendons, ligaments, fascia and nerves. Headaches, back pain, carpal tunnel syndrome, shin splints, shoulder pain, sciatica, plantar fasciitis, knee problems, and tennis elbow are just a few of the many conditions that can be resolved quickly and permanently with ART. These conditions all have one important thing in common: they often result from injury to over-used muscles.

How do overuse injuries occur?

Over-used muscles (and other soft tissues) change in three important ways:

acute injuries (pulls, tears, collisions, etc),
accumulation of small tears (micro-trauma)
not getting enough oxygen (hypoxia).

Each of these factors can cause your body to produce tough, dense scar tissue in the affected area. This scar tissue binds up and ties down tissues that need to move freely. As scar tissue builds up, muscles become shorter and weaker, tension on tendons causes tendonitis, and nerves can become trapped. This can cause reduced ranges of motion, loss of strength, and pain. If a nerve is trapped you may also feel tingling, numbness, and weakness.

What is an ART treatment like?

Every ART session is actually a combination of examination and treatment. The ART provider uses his or her hands to evaluate the texture, tightness and movement of muscles, fascia, tendons, ligaments and nerves. Abnormal tissues are treated by combining precisely directed tension with very specific patient movements.

These treatment protocols – over 500 of them - are unique to ART. They allow providers to identify and correct the specific problems that are affecting each individual patient. ART is not a cookie-cutter approach.

What is the history of Active Release Techniques?

ART has been developed, refined, and patented by P. Michael Leahy, DC, CCSP. Dr. Leahy noticed that his patients’ symptoms seemed to be related to changes in their soft tissues that could be felt by hand. By observing how muscles, fascia, tendons, ligaments and nerves responded to different types of work, Dr. Leahy was able to consistently resolve over 90% of his patients’ problems. He now teaches and certifies health care providers to use ART.

The following is a list of conditions effectively treated via ART:

Arthritis
Achilles tendonitis
Ankle Injuries
Athletic Injuries
Back Pain/Injuries
Bicepital Tendonitis
Bunions
Bursitis
Carpal tunnel syndrome
Compartment syndrome (Chronic)
De Quervains's tenosynovitis
Dupuytren's contracture
Foot pain/injury
Frozen shoulder or adhesive capsulitis
Gait Imbalances
Golfers/Tennis elbow (Tendonitis)
Golf Injuries
Hammer Toes
Hand Injuries
Headaches
Hip Pain
Ilio tibial band syndrome
Impingement syndromes
Joint dysfunction
Knee meniscus injuries
Knee Pain
Leg Injuries
Muscle pulls or strains
Muscle weakness
Myofascitis
Neck Pain
Nerve Entrapment Syndromes
Performance Care
Plantar Fascitis
Post surgical
Repetitive strain injuries
Rib Pain
Rotator cuff syndrome
Running Injuries
Scar Tissue Formation
Sciatica
Shin splints
Shoulder Pain
Sports Injuries
Swimmers Shoulder
Tendinitis
Tennis elbow
Thoracic outlet syndrome
Throwing Injuries
TMJ
Weight Lifting Injuries
Whiplash (Hyperextension/hyperflexion injury)
Wrist Injuries

Many of these conditions can be resolved in just a few visits. Athletes find that they are able to resume training quickly with ART treatment. Non- athletes find they can quickly resume their duties at work, etc.

To find the nearest ART Doc, go to the ART website at www.activerelease.com and click on the locator OR go directly to: http://www.activerelease.com/providerSearch.asp.
Then indicate your zip code, etc and how far radius you want to search. It will list the ART Docs in the radius you've indicated.

Each listed will indicate their ART certification. Check the certification as follows:

If you have an arm, elbow, wrist, hand, shoulder problem, etc. you will need a Doc certified in "Upper Extremity".

If you have a hip, leg, knee, ankle, foot, toe problem you will need a Doc certified in "Lower Extremity".

If you have a problem in the trunk, chest or spine you need a Doc certified in "Spine".

Many Docs are certifed in all three.... they do it all.

Posted by: John Benz

There is only one ART doc within a 50 mile radius of me, and she worked wonders on my hand. It can be painful because if scar tissue has begun to form improperly, their job is to break it loose and manipulate your injury to heal correctly! Here are several testimonials from the ART thread at Iron Addicts.

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2520

Quote:

Originally Posted by supersize77

I had it done on my ebow for tendonitits...worked absolute wonders. Nothing else worked for me but ART and I had been dealing with my injury for months at the time of my initial treatment. It may take several visits to treat your injury but it's well worth it. BTW, the treatment can be quite painful.

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Originally Posted by CutieFace

I won't live w/out ART if youv'e never had it and have an injury this is the best treatment to get.....i went the first time when i had tendonitis and had been getting treatment by a PT for months w/ no improvement...3 visits and I was lifting again....

I go on a regular basis....he fixes what I destroy in the gym.....basically they are doing deep tissue manipulation in order to break up scar tissue from forming....or if it's already formed....yes the treatment can be very painful....and you'll walk out feeling like you've had a workout....and you'll prob be in pain for 24 hours afterwards....but 24-36 hours later....You feel WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!

If you go to the web site you can find a practiioner in your area...

Cutie

Quote:

Originally Posted by neville

G' day,

Over the last month I could feel a pain in my forearm after doing tricep exercises or chin ups, it seemed to be getting worse each week.

Based on what I read here I went to a local guy who does ART, fixed my forearm muscle pain in one visit, I was very impressed. I will do one more follow up visit next week.

He told me to try chin ups with palms facing for awhile and instead of skull crushes with a bar and palms facing forward try dumbells with palms facing each other. Hope this will stop this problem re-occurring.

Neville.

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Originally Posted by firedrake

I've been seeing an ART doctor, who's also a chiropractor, for about 16 months, off and on.

I went to him because I had shoulder surgery in August 2003, to reduce arthritic overgrowth in the humeral head and one other bone in the shoulder I can't recall. The insurance-paid PT told me bluntly "Oh, you'll never get back to full function; we can't take you that far, and you should never reach behind you with that arm, and never lift over 50 pounds." Screw that! I found Dr. Farris after four months of effectively INeffective PT, and he had me at full range of motion within only FOUR sessions. Yeah, they hurt, because we were working through scar tissue in my full range of motion. At the end, though, I was back doing martial arts.

Then, in March of last year, I fell while climbing, tore the left quad off the kneecap on the right and sprained the left knee something awful. The PT, once again, was unwilling to help me get full range back, and Dr. Farris got me there. It was then we discovered there was a pinched nerve in the back that was keeping the vastus medialis from firing at all. We're working on that one, stretching out and opening the space and trying to reduce the inflammation around the nerve root.

Between that and chiropractic, I'm recovering better than I thought possible.

Posted by: Trouble

Excellent feedback and thorough technical explanation of ART!

Thank-you so very much for this..it's exactly what we needed.

Caveat emptor - make sure you have personal referrals for ART practitioners in your area.

Posted by: Detroit_4_Life

I notice this problem is more common than i thought...

I have the same problem whenever doing preacher curls or spotting somebody where i am forced to lift the weight.

I just went to dumbells and gave up on preacher because it only got worse and never went away.

Posted by: assassin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detroit_4_Life

I notice this problem is more common than i thought...

I have the same problem whenever doing preacher curls or spotting somebody where i am forced to lift the weight.

I just went to dumbells and gave up on preacher because it only got worse and never went away.

it's so common of course when i started doing curls first at all my wrist was a weak point,,, ifelt like doing wrist curls my wrist always failed before i even feel any thing in the biceps .......suddenly my forearms exploded and got bigger now i rarely feel any pain in wrists i even i don't need help when i hold ex-heavy dbs when doing bench presses and stuff , that's ordinary but i believe also it has something to do with the genetics i see ppl started body building without having and problems with wrists,those usually have wide grip with long forearms and thick wrists,,others like me start with a pencil like short fore arms and don't make significant gains fast in their wrist and their wrists are always a weak point,,after a certain level u must do (wrist curls[various grips],,reverse curls,pull ups are a must) use thick bars as much as u can,strengthen ur grip strength

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http://davedraper.com/grip-work.html

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Posted by: assassin

Quote:

Originally Posted by dumbdumbdinkel3

if ur problem wasn't weak forearms so u must have did violent moves with them so u got an injury in this case take some rest as u can without using them at all , that happened to me several times,and don't worry about the rest forearms recover fast won't take more than several days

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