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Posted by: sword-

Listen everyone...goes to guys and girls. If you aren't interested in anyone don't pretend you are, and don't have an ulterior motive (e.g. try to use them) and be dishonest.

I hate f**king emotionally dishonest people. Discuss.



Posted by: Tier

Ran into that in a lot of women. I'm not sure guys lead on like girls do. We seem to be more direct in most cases.



Posted by: min0 lee

I can't stand dishonest people, for that matter I pick my friends wisely.



Posted by: thefutureisnow

Right now I don't have show much of a problem with dishonest people, just not loyal friends. Which I guess could be considered dishonesty in a way.



Posted by: sword-

Quote:
Originally Posted by thefutureisnow
Right now I don't have show much of a problem with dishonest people, just not loyal friends. Which I guess could be considered dishonesty in a way.
This is in terms of male-female relationships.

I haven't had any of my personal friends be disloyal to me, even when it comes to women.



Posted by: Trouble

Could be you have the wrong read on what happened to set you off (and cause you to post this rant).

You meet someone causually, you don't always portray yourself fully - call it your party face. Its the general persona you adapt and wear for sociobility purposes.

Get to know someone better, you, or they, may show more of whats inside.

Could be appealing, or could be the opposite. In which case, they'll change attitude and the signals sent.

Men and women, young and old, like to be found acceptable, and that party face may not accurately reflect whats underneath.

Its a matter of emotional security, and belief in yourself, if you elect to forego that party face and be judged on your merits on an "as-is" basis.

Look to the larger picture, the setting, the interpersonal dynamics. If you're in a playa situation with other young folk, learn to peer beneath the facade, so that you're not duped, and remember to take the gamers words and actions with a grain of salt.



Posted by: sword-

Hey trouble

I'm really not talking about a party situation. I know the social dynamics in that situation is entirely different as people tend to be hypersocial, have a different 'face' as you mentioned, etc. , but I am preety much talking about non-party non-night time scenarios. I'm actually talking about something else



Posted by: Trouble

You'd better explain the circumstances of this particular situation, if you want constructive feedback.

We need to talk about reading body language as a clue to intentions, interpersonal reactions, and mood.



Posted by: sword-

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trouble
You'd better explain the circumstances of this particular situation, if you want constructive feedback.

We need to talk about reading bodylanguage as a clue to intentions.
I've studied body language haha this is kinda different. I'm not talking about it publically lol (my situation). And I'm just ranting really.



Posted by: sword-

I will explain in private though



Posted by: Trouble

So you're dissapointed because you misread the signals and you got snubbed when you acted on an incorrect intepretation of the situation?

Or were you deliberately misled?


PS: I'm not here to play "Dear Abby". I thought there might be angle here; provision of a little discussion and insight often is helpful for many. That's why I do it on a few different forums - there are enough "me toos" in the same boat to make it worthwhile.



Posted by: sword-

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trouble
So you're dissapointed because you misread the signals and you got snubbed when you acted on an incorrect intepretation of the situation?

Or were you deliberately misled?
Deliberately misled. I made it clear that the person had no obligations to me but I am interested in you at the moment. If you are not into me, that's fine. Simple concept.



Posted by: Trouble

So you got taken for a ride, briefly, ditched, and now you're licking your wounded pride.

You misread the person, which can happen to anybody.

Chalk it up to experience. Try to figure out which character traits attracted you to this person. Maybe do a little reconnoiter of your own behavior. Could it be you send out conflicting signals as well?



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by sword-
Deliberately misled. I made it clear that the person had no obligations to me but I am interested in you at the moment. If you are not into me, that's fine. Simple concept.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trouble
So you got taken for a ride, briefly, ditched, and now you're licking your wounded pride.

You misread the person, which can happen to anybody.

Chalk it up to experience. Try to figure out which character traits attracted you to this person. Maybe do a little reconnoiter of your own behavior. Could it be you send out conflicting signals as well?
Trouble, work on your reading comprehension.

sword-, many women deliberatly mislead men so they can get what they want.....sometimes just attention, other times money, free dinner, free drinks and gifts ect. It is just the way it is, learn their game and this problem wont happen to you anymore.



Posted by: sword-

Haha ForemanRules.

Anyways trouble, no I was deliberately misled, Usually she is the one that is trying to talk to me, not the other way around. I stay preety honest so it's no skin off my nose really, I just don't like being decieved.

Good thing all I gave her was attention.



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by sword-
Haha ForemanRules.

Anyways trouble, no I was deliberately misled, Usually she is the one that is trying to talk to me, not the other way around. I stay preety honest so it's no skin off my nose really, I just don't like being decieved.

Good thing all I gave her was attention.
You need to read this


Leykis 101 ( a must read)
NEVER, EVER date a single mother. You already know her stance on abortion, she wont have one. Don't risk paying vaginamoney! PLUS, her kids will always come before you! Why would you want to be second place to some spoiled little brat!?!


Never do what you don't want to do. You make the money, you decide where you are going and what you are doing.


Don't ask a women what she wants to do.


Never tell a women how much money you make.


Don't EVER date co-workers! Unless you don't give a rats ass about your job, stay away from people you work with! It's always asking for trouble.


Never answer the phone, or go out on the weekend. Even if you really don't, you have to make it appear as though you have better things to do than be with her on the weekends.


Never spend more than 40 bucks on a date. This includes buying gifts, flowers, candy, jewelry, etc. It does NOT help in getting laid. It's a waste of money. If anything, buy alcohol and get her drunk.


NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her. There is NO point, you will NOT get laid when women are in groups.

I
f you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.


No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!


Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are really ready to settle down.


NEVER answer the phone on the weekends. It makes you look like you have nothing better to do. Weekends should be reserved for hanging out with your buddies or for guaranteed sex. Even if you really have nothing to do, let the answering machine take the call. You're busy.


Don't speak to women you work with unless it's related directly to work. Don't date them. Don't tell them they look nice. Don't comment on anything except whatever work needs you have, because you're a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.



Posted by: sword-

Haha..half of those are garbage.



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by sword-
Haha..half of those are garbage.
That opinion is why women walk all over you son



Posted by: sword-

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
That opinion is why women walk all over you son
Okay here's an example:

Quote:
NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her. There is NO point, you will NOT get laid when women are in groups.
That is complete garbage if you really want to talk seduction theory and whatnot. Seriously, do you think most people who go to the club go alone?



Posted by: Trouble

Agreed, Sword, half the recommendations are worthless.

My reading comprehension isn't the problem, Foreman. Whether you call it "misreading the person" or situational misread, or misunderstanding their intent, it boils to the same thing...a misread.

Sword, just because a woman talks to you, doens't mean she'ws interested in a relationship with you.



Posted by: sword-

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trouble
Sword, just because a woman talks to you, doens't mean she'ws interested in a relationship with you.
I never said that, and it is a little bit more involved than what I've divulged on here. Trust me I know I was mislead, and I don't think because a woman talks to me she's interested in me.

As for being 'mislead' you can argue that someone telling you a bold face lie and you actually believing them is 'misreading' them, but in reality, they are just a damn dishonest person.



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by sword-
Okay here's an example:



That is complete garbage if you really want to talk seduction theory and whatnot. Seriously, do you think most people who go to the club go alone?
You miss read it.....you go in with a wing man or two....not alone

And you have to pick your spots son



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trouble
Agreed, Sword, half the recommendations are worthless.

My reading comprehension isn't the problem, Foreman. Whether you call it "misreading the person" or situational misread, or misunderstanding their intent, it boils to the same thing...a misread.

Sword, just because a woman talks to you, doens't mean she'ws interested in a relationship with you.
Deliberately misled and misreading are two completly different things....look them up

You seems you do not want to hear what he is saying, it is better to listen and then comment then to ignore the person and what he/she is saying.



Posted by: sword-

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Deliberately misled and misreading are two completly different things.
Yes.

Can anyone else contribute to this thead?



Posted by: nsimmons

Gee, a pussy and a woman not liking leykis' rules, what a suprise.
Leykis is God

Sword, listen to foreman, if i had when i was 22 i would have saved myself a lot of grief and money.

If you have the slightest attraction for a woman, 1 million other guys do as well and she knows it and will use it for whatever she can. The are ALL the same, to one degree or another. Every woman ever born will use her gender to manipulate her situation. Men use money.

Smarten up.



Posted by: VanessaNicole

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
You need to read this


Leykis 101 ( a must read)
NEVER, EVER date a single mother. You already know her stance on abortion, she wont have one. Don't risk paying vaginamoney! PLUS, her kids will always come before you! Why would you want to be second place to some spoiled little brat!?!


Never do what you don't want to do. You make the money, you decide where you are going and what you are doing.


Don't ask a women what she wants to do.


Never tell a women how much money you make.


Don't EVER date co-workers! Unless you don't give a rats ass about your job, stay away from people you work with! It's always asking for trouble.


Never answer the phone, or go out on the weekend. Even if you really don't, you have to make it appear as though you have better things to do than be with her on the weekends.


Never spend more than 40 bucks on a date. This includes buying gifts, flowers, candy, jewelry, etc. It does NOT help in getting laid. It's a waste of money. If anything, buy alcohol and get her drunk.


NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her. There is NO point, you will NOT get laid when women are in groups.

I
f you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.


No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!


Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are really ready to settle down.


NEVER answer the phone on the weekends. It makes you look like you have nothing better to do. Weekends should be reserved for hanging out with your buddies or for guaranteed sex. Even if you really have nothing to do, let the answering machine take the call. You're busy.


Don't speak to women you work with unless it's related directly to work. Don't date them. Don't tell them they look nice. Don't comment on anything except whatever work needs you have, because you're a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.

I wouldn't take that kind of crap from any guy.

VanessaNicole



Posted by: david

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
You need to read this


Leykis 101 ( a must read)
NEVER, EVER date a single mother. You already know her stance on abortion, she wont have one. Don't risk paying vaginamoney! PLUS, her kids will always come before you! Why would you want to be second place to some spoiled little brat!?!


Never do what you don't want to do. You make the money, you decide where you are going and what you are doing.


Don't ask a women what she wants to do.


Never tell a women how much money you make.


Don't EVER date co-workers! Unless you don't give a rats ass about your job, stay away from people you work with! It's always asking for trouble.


Never answer the phone, or go out on the weekend. Even if you really don't, you have to make it appear as though you have better things to do than be with her on the weekends.


Never spend more than 40 bucks on a date. This includes buying gifts, flowers, candy, jewelry, etc. It does NOT help in getting laid. It's a waste of money. If anything, buy alcohol and get her drunk.


NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her. There is NO point, you will NOT get laid when women are in groups.

I
f you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.


No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!


Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are really ready to settle down.


NEVER answer the phone on the weekends. It makes you look like you have nothing better to do. Weekends should be reserved for hanging out with your buddies or for guaranteed sex. Even if you really have nothing to do, let the answering machine take the call. You're busy.


Don't speak to women you work with unless it's related directly to work. Don't date them. Don't tell them they look nice. Don't comment on anything except whatever work needs you have, because you're a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.
Dishonesty (or, not revealing income) and selfishness. Well, with those two characteristics, I guess you could rule out any quality or a woman with substance.



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by david
Dishonesty (or, not revealing income) and selfishness. Well, with those two characteristics, I guess you could rule out any quality or a woman with substance.
First off this is for young guys looking to have fun not find wives. Secondly where is the Dishonest part??? A persons income is personal and should not be shouted from the mountain tops son. Lastly at 16-25 who wants a "quality" woman? All guys that age want is quality sex and fun.



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by VanessaNicole
I wouldn't take that kind of crap from any guy.

VanessaNicole
Yes you would and yes you have



Posted by: VanessaNicole

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Yes you would and yes you have
Uh, nope.

VanessaNicole

(No cuddling, no weekends, no sex. No exceptions.)



Posted by: TJ Cline

Yes you would and yes you have



Posted by: warriorofpeace

I been there bro, and yea on the surface it seems as though its great to be heartless. But its actually a bigger rush to care about people. It also gives back alot too. Everyone likes you and trusts you, and would be there for you. I have also found that everyone deserves a chance. As built attactive bodybuilders its really easy to have whatever we want, but the game gets old real fast when your life has an upset and you need people to count on. So even though when we can take advantage of people, maybe it is better to try to do whats right. It feels good and its what sjows what true strength is. Its real easy to talk the talk and be ruthless, but to stand in the face of anger and react back with kindness shows what your made of. Especially when you could easily be an ass at any time too.

Peace



Posted by: Steele20

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
You need to read this


Leykis 101 ( a must read)
NEVER, EVER date a single mother. You already know her stance on abortion, she wont have one. Don't risk paying vaginamoney! PLUS, her kids will always come before you! Why would you want to be second place to some spoiled little brat!?!


Never do what you don't want to do. You make the money, you decide where you are going and what you are doing.


Don't ask a women what she wants to do.


Never tell a women how much money you make.


Don't EVER date co-workers! Unless you don't give a rats ass about your job, stay away from people you work with! It's always asking for trouble.


Never answer the phone, or go out on the weekend. Even if you really don't, you have to make it appear as though you have better things to do than be with her on the weekends.


Never spend more than 40 bucks on a date. This includes buying gifts, flowers, candy, jewelry, etc. It does NOT help in getting laid. It's a waste of money. If anything, buy alcohol and get her drunk.


NEVER approach a woman in a club who has her girlfriends with her. There is NO point, you will NOT get laid when women are in groups.

I
f you are not getting laid by the 3rd date, dump her and move on.


No spooning, no cuddling, no staying over. Get in, get out!


Never be in a committed relationship UNTIL you are really ready to settle down.


NEVER answer the phone on the weekends. It makes you look like you have nothing better to do. Weekends should be reserved for hanging out with your buddies or for guaranteed sex. Even if you really have nothing to do, let the answering machine take the call. You're busy.


Don't speak to women you work with unless it's related directly to work. Don't date them. Don't tell them they look nice. Don't comment on anything except whatever work needs you have, because you're a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leykis_101



Posted by: david

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
First off this is for young guys looking to have fun not find wives. Secondly where is the Dishonest part??? A persons income is personal and should not be shouted from the mountain tops son. Lastly at 16-25 who wants a "quality" woman? All guys that age want is quality sex and fun.

You're right. At that young age no teen is looking for that. Maybe the cut off on that should be 23 at least though.

PS. I am 50 years old and unless your 70, you can call me "son".



Posted by: VanessaNicole

Quote:
Originally Posted by warriorofpeace
I been there bro, and yea on the surface it seems as though its great to be heartless. But its actually a bigger rush to care about people. It also gives back alot too. Everyone likes you and trusts you, and would be there for you. I have also found that everyone deserves a chance. As built attactive bodybuilders its really easy to have whatever we want, but the game gets old real fast when your life has an upset and you need people to count on. So even though when we can take advantage of people, maybe it is better to try to do whats right. It feels good and its what sjows what true strength is. Its real easy to talk the talk and be ruthless, but to stand in the face of anger and react back with kindness shows what your made of. Especially when you could easily be an ass at any time too.

Peace
That's a real man.

Besides, when a guy tries to act all cool like he doesn't give a sh*t, it's pretty obvious that he's just insecure.

It's basic psychology. The term is "leveling". It's when you behave in such a way that brings another person down so that you can feel more powerful.

It's a sign of someone who isn't strong enough to handle their own inherently human vulnerability.

It won't work on a woman with a mind of her own.

VanessaNicole



Posted by: dg806

I hate game playing.........................just be honest, whatever it is.
Life is too short to screw with peoples feelings.



Posted by: Trouble

Ach aye, agreed, DQ. You see, the problem is...the gamers get into their mindset at a young age. They forget the art, practice, and reasons for respecting others, man or woman.

"Lastly at 16-25 who wants a "quality" woman? All guys that age want is quality sex and fun."

Hmm. Average age for marriage has risen to past mid-twenties. That doesn't give you must time to change mental gearing - a few years, after nearly a decade of gamer role playing?

That gamer attitude will come back to haunt them, oh yes. Gamers become jaded and lose sight of the purpose of dating - learning how to descriminate between types of potential mates and their attributes. How do you know if they will be suitable as a wife, or a husband, if you treat all as potential one night stands?

Unhappy, cynical...no gamer can keep their disdain off their faces; they wear it like clothing, this misunderstood intent for dating. They broadcast their intent to remain single, as a lighthouse beacon warns of shallow waters.

We call it karmic justice. Its always served, when justly deserved.



Posted by: VanessaNicole

Thank God there are some real men around.



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