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Originally Posted by FatCatMC
I'm gonna have to go with Hughes. As much as I don't like him, I just feel Gracie is a little too old and will be over powered.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I actually always disliked Gracie. Couldn't stand how he used to never let up on his submissions when the other fighter would clearly be tapping and the ref would be trying to break it up. I know the old UFC's used to be a lot more ruthless, but you can fuck someone up bad doin that.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I actually always disliked Gracie. Couldn't stand how he used to never let up on his submissions when the other fighter would clearly be tapping and the ref would be trying to break it up. I know the old UFC's used to be a lot more ruthless, but you can fuck someone up bad doin that.
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Originally Posted by fUnc17
The reason why he has done that is because several times opponents have tapped and he has let go of the arm bar/choke out, etc.. and the ref wasnt able to see him tap and/or the opponent argued he never tapped... so he keeps the submission to make absolutely certain.
As far as the fight... gracie will have his hands full with matt hughes. It all depends how hughes plays the fight, if it goes to the ground and hughes makes just one mistake its over. Hughes has to be perfect. I think hughes is going to be overly anxious to end it early and gracie will take advantage of it.. I expect a nervous matt hughes. I am pulling for gracie, I cannot stand matt hughes. Also, my jiu jitsu instructor was adopted by royce gracie's family so naturally I have to root for him. |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
How long have you been training bjj?
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
It's because of guy like Shamrock. After Gracie tapped him, he let go, and Shamrock pretended that he didn't tap. This is why he held them until the Ref could cleary see the tapout.
Also, I've been to a few competitions, and guys will not tap. They'll let there friggin' arm break first. |
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Do you watch Shamrock at all on Season 3 of TUF? He is such a dick. He brings a bodybuilder in instead of a martial arts coach. I hate his coaching. I'm can't wait to see him and Tito go at it.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Do you watch Shamrock at all on Season 3 of TUF? He is such a dick. He brings a bodybuilder in instead of a martial arts coach. I hate his coaching. I'm can't wait to see him and Tito go at it.
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
You'll be waiting a long time. Tito's injuries will prevent him from fighting
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Originally Posted by fufu
when is this fight,.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
4/27
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Originally Posted by topolo
What an idiot you are it is May dumbshit.
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Originally Posted by Double D
After reading the first few threads and hearing he will be overpowered, I think maybe ridiculous. And hear me out here...........he has always fought guys much bigger and stronger than him! He looks like a very scrawny guy but it doesnt take strength in order for Gracie to win! He simply relies on his training and simple submissions. Now its hard to argue that he is older, but with age also comes wisdom. So it will be a very good fight imo, and despite Gracie's age the loner the match goes the more chance Gracie has!
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Originally Posted by Double D
After reading the first few threads and hearing he will be overpowered, I think maybe ridiculous. And hear me out here...........he has always fought guys much bigger and stronger than him! He looks like a very scrawny guy but it doesnt take strength in order for Gracie to win! He simply relies on his training and simple submissions. Now its hard to argue that he is older, but with age also comes wisdom. So it will be a very good fight imo, and despite Gracie's age the loner the match goes the more chance Gracie has!
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
What is with all the exclimation points! Are you yelling while typing!
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
What is with all the exclimation points! Are you yelling while typing!
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Originally Posted by topolo
This is an interogative and it needs a question mark you dumb bastard.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
What is with all the exclimation points! Are you yelling while typing!
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Originally Posted by Double D
Yeah he did beat him, but if you get on the net and watch some of it in like the second or third round it did look like he tapped. I am not saying Gracie was winning or he did anything great I am just saying that Sakuraba seemed to had tapped on Gracies leg at a point in the match.
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Originally Posted by Double D
I started watching these things whenever they first started and it has came a long way. Before they had to weight classes or anything they just had a huge tournament (which was much more interesting). Now these guys only fight once a night, before they had to be conditioned to go the distance and thats what is impressive with the older guys.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Gracie was the 1st big UFC star. EVERYONE in America that knew anything at all about UFC knew his name. 14 years ago?
We know he has trained and rolled and done everything he could do to fight off old age ... but if Gracie shows up in his gie and expects to beat Hughes with only his ground game he gonna get his ass kicked. Gracie is slower, his joints are weaker, and his ego is way bigger. He will get his chin tapped up on, his shoots sprawled out, and his sub's spun out of. Nowadays a gie is nothing more than a handle for a good MMA fighter to use against the guy wearing it ... Hughes knows who and what Gracie is ... he grew up watching the dude. He will be prepared. |
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Gracie was the 1st big UFC star. EVERYONE in America that knew anything at all about UFC knew his name. 14 years ago?
We know he has trained and rolled and done everything he could do to fight off old age ... but if Gracie shows up in his gie and expects to beat Hughes with only his ground game he gonna get his ass kicked. Gracie is slower, his joints are weaker, and his ego is way bigger. He will get his chin tapped up on, his shoots sprawled out, and his sub's spun out of. Nowadays a gie is nothing more than a handle for a good MMA fighter to use against the guy wearing it ... Hughes knows who and what Gracie is ... he grew up watching the dude. He will be prepared. |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
First off, he CANNOT wear a GI anymore. This is against UFC rules. Secondly, Gracie does not HAVE a big ego. He is like any other althlete who has done well at his game.
Just because YOU have seen Gracie tap people out, does not make you a Jiu Jitsu Black Belt. Training 10 years DOES NOT even make you one. Gracie doesn't have to work on his ground skills, he ONLY knees to work on his stand up. So don't count him out so easily. Most fights like this come down to VERY controversial decisions. I would be suprised if this isn't one of those occasions. |
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Hah! reminds me of that asshole, MyK.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Gracie was the 1st big UFC star. EVERYONE in America that knew anything at all about UFC knew his name. 14 years ago?
We know he has trained and rolled and done everything he could do to fight off old age ... but if Gracie shows up in his gie and expects to beat Hughes with only his ground game he gonna get his ass kicked. Gracie is slower, his joints are weaker, and his ego is way bigger. He will get his chin tapped up on, his shoots sprawled out, and his sub's spun out of. Nowadays a gie is nothing more than a handle for a good MMA fighter to use against the guy wearing it ... Hughes knows who and what Gracie is ... he grew up watching the dude. He will be prepared. |
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
PLay nice Jr.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Thanks for the no gi update ... didn't catch that one till ya mentioned it .
QUOTE] I didnt know either. But I believe wearing the Gi was basically a technique on his part.. |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
First off, he CANNOT wear a GI anymore. This is against UFC rules. Secondly, Gracie does not HAVE a big ego. He is like any other althlete who has done well at his game.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
So I take it you watch UFC now?
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
PLease sonny, Gracy will own him then change Hughes diaper when the match is over
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Sorry pops but you left out the part where Gracie changes his depends first ... after nap time.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Sorry pops but you left out the part where Gracie changes his depends first ... after nap time.
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Aren't you older than Gracie?
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Aren't you older than Gracie?
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
There's a countdown special on tonight @ 10 on Spike.
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Originally Posted by FatCatMC
The arguement that Gracie has always faced stronger opponents is out the window with this one. In the past when he has faced stronger opponents they have been bigger and slower. Hughes is not only MUCH stronger, he's MUCH faster, and smaller. Unfortunately I don't believe Gracie can match Hughes intensity, and this will be an easy victory...
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
^^^^What he said ...
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
My Jiu Jitsu instructor seems to think Hughes will win.
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Originally Posted by AKIRA
Shit, I dont know what side to route for or define. I dont like either one of these cocksuckers. But I still wanna see who wins.
It would be kinda cool if they killed each other, but thats for another time. |
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Originally Posted by topolo
This is an interogative and it needs a question mark you dumb bastard.
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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Interrogative you dumb bastard!
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Would a wager on the outcome of Gracie Hughes be no-no here? You know ... just for bragging rights ...
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Hughes has made some stupid mistakes, which is why I don't think anyone could make such a sure bet...
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Hughes versus Frank Trigg 2. Frank Trigg had him a rear naked choked, and almost had him knocked out. Trigg made a stupid mistake and didn't hold it in, and hughes escaped. But Hughes made a stupid mistake to get in that position.
Sometimes hughes carries people around. Very pointless. You don't need to walk around the ring in circles carrying someone. That tires you the hell out. Watch Fedor, he doesn't fuck around. He does a fast ass takedown and gets the position. |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Hughes versus Frank Trigg 2. Frank Trigg had him a rear naked choked, and almost had him knocked out. Trigg made a stupid mistake and didn't hold it in, and hughes escaped. But Hughes made a stupid mistake to get in that position.
Sometimes hughes carries people around. Very pointless. You don't need to walk around the ring in circles carrying someone. That tires you the hell out. Watch Fedor, he doesn't fuck around. He does a fast ass takedown and gets the position. |
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Didn't Huges tap out to BJ Penn?
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Originally Posted by aceshigh
who fucking won???????//
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Originally Posted by bigss75
Matt Hughes tko gracie in the first round
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The fight was fixed
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The fight was fixed
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Originally Posted by Double D
I have to admit I thought Gracie would win and thats only because I have always been a huge Gracie fan. Oh well I guess....age and the new age of fighting has caught up to Gracie.
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Originally Posted by bigss75
Matt Hughes tko gracie in the first round
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
This is all as it should be cuz Gracie is just not a good striker. BoneCrusher was right all along. Matt Hughes is the man and I worship him.
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
I'll kick your ass too.
The difference is I can strike. |
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
I was trained by Matt Hughes ... you are a GJJ fighter. You have no chance.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The fight was fixed
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
And fuck Matt Hughes, We'll bring BJ Penn in to fight him again.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
That would be a sick fight, as would Hughes/St. Pierre 2.
Matt Hughes is the man. I don't know how you can dislike him as a fighter. He's great all around and has a huge heart. One of the best champs the UFC has seen... Anyone see John Alessio's takedown defense against Diego? |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
He's an asshole, who plays gay country music when he comes out. I hope that fucker fights someone who is younger than 50 years old. Penn will own his ass, as will Pierre. And 90% of people from Pride would KO his ass.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
GSP=Next Big UFC champ IIIIFFFFF he gets his bleeding issues under control. Frickin dude cuts easy. |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
He's an asshole, who plays gay country music when he comes out. I hope that fucker fights someone who is younger than 50 years old. Penn will own his ass, as will Pierre. And 90% of people from Pride would KO his ass.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Wanderlie vs Hughes = 30 second fight. Pride owns UFC in every weight class. Hunt would Own the heavy weights in UFC and he is not even the best in Pride.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
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Originally Posted by fufu
I hate the songs that they play over these kind of videos.
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hmmmmm ... your stock is plummiting son.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Looks like a shurdog post ... only thing you're missing is "Nuthugger".
BigDyl anyone who is not in agreement with your statements about PRIDE vs UFC ... for the most part ... is not a true MMA fan. Abu Dhabi is some killer shit though, and Fedor never studied BJJ yet he rules. My point is this bro ... it's an MMA world now. The days of trying to perfect one style then rule with that alone forever are over. Just as a pure boxer would eventually get pwned so did a pure BJJ master when faced with a the combined skills that any top level seasoned MMA fighter now has. It would have been ANY MMA fighter as good as Hughes (think Japan) that woulda ended Gracie ... he is just too one dimensional. But never fear son I got yer back. I talked to Matt over breakfast ... he said he'll send you a Matt Hughes tee-shirt. |
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
That's what made this fight so damn predictable |
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
I was disapointed in the fight. I was glad to hear Gracie say he will fight again in the UFC. That is all I have to say about that fight. The best fight IMO that night was the Diego Sanchez fight. That Canadian he fought was awesome. Some of the best defense I have ever seen. He could have won the fight if he could have landed some kicks or punches. He had Diego on his back for 2 mins. It was awesome. I'm happy Vera won, I think he has a good future ahead of him. I would like to see him drop down to 205 but I doubt that will happen. I was also impressed with Swick. I picked him to win. I think he is an awesome fighter. I'm ready for July 8th now.
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Originally Posted by JordanMang
If Gracie had been allowed to wear the Gi he would have won the fight IMO. He got dominated, but a I still thing he would have won.
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
I hope Matt Hughes gets cancer and dies.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
And you seem to have no respect for a fellow mixed martial artist. Hughes shitted on Gracie's disgraceful JJ, and out did him in everything else. Royce deserves a helluva a lot of credit for what he has done in the past and for taking the fight, but it's clear he has no place in the UFC anymore.
And who cares who practices MMA and who doesn't. Anyone can be a fan of it and understand it easily. |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Whatever dude, I'd sub your lame ass.
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. Personally, I think it comes in handy in MMA obviously, but it's no good to be specifically versed in only JJ. And I'm not too touchy-feely with dudes, so I'd prefer to strike or box as opposed to rolling around with them on the ground. No offense.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Any clown can learn BJJ. There's places everyfuckinwhere nowadays. It's the "in" thing to do in fighting
. Personally, I think it comes in handy in MMA obviously, but it's no good to be specifically versed in only JJ. And I'm not too touchy-feely with dudes, so I'd prefer to strike or box as opposed to rolling around with them on the ground. No offense. |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
You seem to love him. That's great.
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
You probably don't even practice MMA anyways.
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Wrong 1 time ... don't care one way or another. I don't pay attention to a fighters politics, sexuality, socioeconomic status or his world look on life. If he has skills, fights a straight fight ... as in no unneeded fucked-up damages (Frank Mir likes to do this) or trying to lie about taping out (Shamrock vs Gracie) nor un-sportsman like conduct (Tito is a punk like that) ... then I will respect the fighter for what he brings to the arena.
Wrong 2 times. I'm 46 and started at 15. I stayed in training till my mid '30s but now only roll and spare with my son. HE is getting good and developing well but I'm stronger and still way more experienced so I have the edge ... for a short while longer. He'll pass me by soon though which is as it should be. I did call this fight correctly btw ... |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
I can strike too, and am athletic. So you'd be outmatched. Nice try.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I don't train guy
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Yeah, owned.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
You owned a non-fighter over the internet... I'm seeing big things for your fighting career. Give me your adress I'll send you a cookie
.How long have you been training anyway? |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
I thought you said you were going to "strike" me.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I'd prefer to strike or box as opposed to rolling around with them on the ground. No offense.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
How long have you been training anyway? |
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
I'd still own you.
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they say pig-shit stings from that high up.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Anyway, How long have you been training?? |
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Originally Posted by FatCatMC
The arguement that Gracie has always faced stronger opponents is out the window with this one. In the past when he has faced stronger opponents they have been bigger and slower. Hughes is not only MUCH stronger, he's MUCH faster, and smaller. Unfortunately I don't believe Gracie can match Hughes intensity, and this will be an easy victory...
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Originally Posted by BigDyl
Matt Hughes is just the "IN" fighter right now. He doesn't have the legacy of Gracie. He didn't revolutionize anything. He just abuses steroids (probably as many as Ronnie Coleman, but his MMA diet won't let him hold as much mass), had a history of wrestling, and then on top of that he fights an old man. No one will remember this clown in 10 years.
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Originally Posted by Steele20
I agree with this. Nobody in this world is impressed with some dude who abuses steroids and fights old men. Gracie didn't abuse steroids and still won 3 ufc's. Beating guys much bigger than him. Gracie accomplished something, hughes only proved what a pussy he is.
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Originally Posted by FatCatMC
Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by Steele20
hughes only proved what a pussy he is.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Ok... by beating Joyce Gracie, he showed what a pussy he was? Do I have that right. You are seriously slow.
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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Hughes doesn't look like he used steroids to me. That body is easily attainable for most without the use of gear, especially a wrestler. Every college wrestler has that build these days.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
I agree, Hughes dosen't look like a steroid user at all. What matters is that Gracie is much older and has not fought in years...a few tune ups might have been a good idea for him. What are both guys ages??? In boxing it is common to see a average 25 year old beat a great 40 year old.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
I agree, Hughes dosen't look like a steroid user at all. What matters is that Gracie is much older and has not fought in years...a few tune ups might have been a good idea for him. What are both guys ages??? In boxing it is common to see a average 25 year old beat a great 40 year old.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I agree and also with DaleMabry. Oh and by the way Hughes is 32 and Gracie is 39.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I'm not black dude, so keep your racist comments to yourself. And retards are the ones who misspell words in every single post like you.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I agree and also with DaleMabry. Oh and by the way Hughes is 32 and Gracie is 39. So, not a huge age difference if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by Steele20
WOW! Well atleast I can tell you didn't go to college.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Ok... by beating Joyce Gracie, he showed what a pussy he was? Do I have that right. You are seriously slow.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I'm in college now. But I'm curious as to why you think I'm not.
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Originally Posted by Steele20
I'm slow? Ok lets review. I go to UCF, had a 1370 SAT, have a job, and you? You will never be as smart as me.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
"as I"
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Originally Posted by Steele20
I'm slow? Ok lets review. I go to UCF, had a 1370 SAT, have a job, and you? You will never be as smart as me.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Just because you had a bad day or a bad night with your boyfriend or whatever doesn't mean you have to try to get under peoples' skin here. No one gives a fuck about you. You are a pussy
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Originally Posted by Steele20
Glad I'm right.
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Originally Posted by Steele20
I'm slow? Ok lets review. I go to UCF, had a 1370 SAT, have a job, and you? You will never be as smart as me.
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Originally Posted by Steele20
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Maybe not but most guys start to lose it in there late 30's espically if they are not big punchers....power is the last thing to go...speed and reflexes the first
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Originally Posted by Steele20
I'm slow? Ok lets review. I go to UCF, had a 1370 SAT, have a job, and you? You will never be as smart as me.
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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
No person who scored a 1370 on their SATs would type a sentence like this. Unless, of course, you got a 1370 combined for the 3 times you took it.
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