Originally Posted by viet_jon

Is working out everyday harmful????

i hate days that I have to skip the gym, I feel groggy, unmotivated, and depressed !!! it's almost like a drug....but am I harming myself...??

i'm not working the same muscles everyday or nothing....
my schedule is day 1 : Arm exercises - alternating through all machines
+ 20 min cardio
day 2: Leg Exercises - alternating all available machines
+ 20 min cardio
day 3: Ab Exercises - 3 non equipment, 2 equipment df + 30-40 min cardio
day 4: Cardio - Straight cardio for 45 - 60 minutes

Originally Posted by kenwood

read the fucking stickies......




btw. your split sucks ass!!

Originally Posted by MWpro

Your body does need time to recovery, so a day break from lifting at least once in your week should be taken. Some people say no more than 2 training sessions in a row.

That said, your split sucks.

Originally Posted by kenwood

read the fucking stickies......


btw. your split sucks ass!!

Originally Posted by viet_jon

i'm a pure newb...........gonna be two months this thursday.!!!!

yo instead of bashing me.......how bout some advice???

going to a bigger gym when my memberships done, fuc it, going tomorrow....my current gym has very few machines. Can't wait for more machines...!!!!!

Originally Posted by kenwood

read the fucking stickies......




btw. your split sucks ass!!

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Use free weights son.

Originally Posted by Super Hulk

you ass split sucks

Originally Posted by overboard

You probably shouldn't look too forward to a lot of machines. Machines are good when used in moderation, but your staple should be good ole iron - dumbbells and barbells. Just starting off, you should focus mainly on concetration exersices and really do not need a seperate day for arms. Throw in a little arm work after chest and back.

You must squat and deadlift.

BTW, a lot of the guys on this sight need a good pop upside the head and their teeth rattled a few good times with all of their smart ass commentes. Their Mom's must be proud of them.

Originally Posted by P-funk

a) depends what you do everyday and how you break things up

b) depending on (a), it would also depend on how long you have been working out (training age) and how much frequency/volume you could handle.

c) everyone should have AT LEAST one day off per week. Even the most elite of the elite athletes take one day off a week. why do you think you should be any different?

Originally Posted by viet_jon

(A) I'm 22, been training for 2 months, frequency/volume i'd say inbetween moderate and pretty strong. Not iron man

(B) Because I'm gifted and have special powers. So then if I lift for 6 days, is it okay to do cardio the 7th?

Originally Posted by viet_jon

okay since no one wants to post how they split their workouts......i'm gonna start a new thread title " How do U split your workouts/???" Maybe they're s alrady a thread like that...........

Originally Posted by viet_jon

(A) I'm 22, been training for 2 months, frequency/volume i'd say inbetween moderate and pretty strong. Not iron man

(B) Because I'm gifted and have special powers. So then if I lift for 6 days, is it okay to do cardio the 7th?

Originally Posted by P-funk

did you not read the post.....rest on at least one day a week!

also, all that cardio may be conterproductive to your goals.

all that training may be counterproductive to your body, depending on if you are eating enough calories or not.

how you set up a training program is up to you. read the stickies and come up with something and we can help you refine it. No one is going to just write something out for you. Help us help you. Also, we don't know what your training looks like now....how do you expect us to tell you what we think you should be doing if we don't know what you ARE doing?

Originally Posted by viet_jon

okay okay........got it!!!

but my goals are to trim down and be fit for summer... winter i'm gonna bulk up.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Try reading the stickies at the top of the page. They go over various ways you can setup your lifting program.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

okay......found this in the sticky......i'm pretty new so this doesn't look so complicated for me.



Day 1, CHEST
Day 2, BACK
Day 3, Cardio

Day 4, Shoulders
Day 5, Arms
Day 6, Cardio

Day 7, Legs
then repeat from day 1


that way, after every two days of lifting.......i'll take a day off for cardio, which gives time for my muscles to heal???? can it work like that? help me tweak this.............


i'm probably startin to annoy some of you by working out 7 days a week....but my main motivation for all this is stress/depression. I was taking anti-depressants because of a genetic disorder/rec drugs/enviroment, but ever since I started going to the gym, I don't need drugs, and feel much better than before. But when I take a day off, that day I feel like shit all day....and that feeling like shit, is unexplainable to someone who doesn't need anti-depressants. this smilee explains it

Originally Posted by viet_jon

btw....what's 1rm?

Originally Posted by P-funk

Since you are a relative newbie, I would say to go with total body workouts 3'x a week for starters and only cardio twice, one day of interval work and one day of steady state work.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

i don't thionk total body workout would be good for me. I need more than that. Since it's been recommended on this board over and over not to do more than an hour or so....1 hour of working all muscles isn't really satisfying.

I am a newb, but have progressed passed the pure newb stage. A split, more intense working is probably better.

but what do you mean by interval work and steady state work?

and why only cardio 2 times a week? my goal is to trim down for summer, and lose the 1 inch layer of fat off my stomach. I'm not trying to be a dick and not take your advice here..... just trying to learn. Come winter time, when I bulk up, then I'll stop doing so much cardio.........is that resonable?

Originally Posted by P-funk

you don't think it is enough for you?

you clearly are clueless about training and that is evident by the fact that you don't even understand what steady state or interval work are.

you don't understand the human body at all if you are asking to do that much cardio to get lean.

Yet, despite all of this, you know what is best for you.

here is an idea....go ask someone their opinion...when they give it to you...tell them that you don't like it.

waste someone elses time.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

what the fuks up your ass? whatever it is...take it out!! I'm trying to be nice here, and u keep pushing me!!!

I know I don't know shit, that's why I"m hear asking questions.....if you can't take a lil criticizm on your opinion, then you need to take some time and check yourself.

I'm asking more questions, about your suggestions, meaning for you elaborate and explain points that I don't understand...........not to get on your grumpy side.

oh man.......where am I going......I'm not the type to flame people on msg boards, I'm here for 1 reason and 1 reason only. ............ to LEARN. And to do this , I must read........and reading i'm doing.....and ask QUESTIONS, but that's cool.....you don't have to answer to me.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

ah fuc.......don't mind smart ass comments....as long as it includes some form of knowledge and I"m cool.....I just don't like stupid posts like ^^^^^ one.

but cooll....thnkx for the advice........DEADLIFTS and SQUATS, gonna do those today..havn't tried it yet!!! any advice on form and technique?

Originally Posted by SANDIEGOROB

Dude: P-funk has more patience than most people on this board. You're lucky he even offered to help given the level of questions. I'm suprised he lasted as long as he did . As stated before, read the stickies and some of the threads from other posters. After you get a decent idea of what's involved, then ask your questions. If you don't, trust me, you'll get flamed and used as a reference for idiocy on future posts.

Originally Posted by Duncans Donuts

The only thing exercising daily (at least doing anything remotely productive) will give you is a psychological good feeling. Makes for a good atmosphere of patting yourself in the back.

Remember, stress is stress. Life is full of stress. Exercise is also a stressor. Hard, productive exercise is moreso. Do you ever sit and think about what your body has to do to create more muscle? Removal of metabolic waste, repairing damaged tissue, synthesizing muscle material from amino acids, replenishing glycogen & creatine, the exhaustion from chemical / electrical neuro-interactions (I actually get severe eye twitches from overtraining), heck your digestive, respiratory, circulatory, lymphatic, blah blah have to work beyond what is customary when you train.

People say that overtraining isn't real are wrong, I believe. When is this overhaul and repair supposed to occur if you train too much? It doesn't occur in the gym. After the pump dissipates you'll actually be a little bit smaller in muscles worked! Please don't train everyday.

Originally Posted by overboard

Dude, i was trying stick up for you a little since you were getting blasted...whatever.

After reading through the rest of your posts on this thread, you need to just listen a little more and receive advice.

Originally Posted by P-funk

It isn't that I am not patient. If you look at the people who post threads and ask for help, you can see that the ones that I help are the ones that ask, and then, they ask for more info if they aren't convinced. I don't like when someone comes on and says "I will start deadlifting and squatting tonight. any advice on technique?" and then I tell them they should be focusing on a certain type of program and they go "nope. that just wouldn't work for me." AH....you have it all figured out and you have never done any of it....okay. great.....Now, if he would have said something like "okay, why total body instead of body part training? i just want to know the rational behind it." But. instead he just said "no, it wont work.". So clearly he knows more then I.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

i think you should re-read what I said......it's not as bad as you put it.
but if I said anything in a bad manner....i apologize. I'm only trying to learn.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Definitely trust P. He is very good at what he does. I'm a trainer as well, and I can tell you right now that out of the 20 trainers that work at my gym P knows more than all of them. I use a lot of similar training ideas, and they work.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

Is working out everyday harmful????

i hate days that I have to skip the gym, I feel groggy, unmotivated, and depressed !!! it's almost like a drug....but am I harming myself...??

i'm not working the same muscles everyday or nothing....
my schedule is day 1 : Arm exercises - alternating through all machines
+ 20 min cardio
day 2: Leg Exercises - alternating all available machines
+ 20 min cardio
day 3: Ab Exercises - 3 non equipment, 2 equipment df + 30-40 min cardio
day 4: Cardio - Straight cardio for 45 - 60 minutes

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man