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Originally Posted by P-funk
 that is the first time I have ever see MONO get hostile!  |
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you really might wanna rethink some of that or get some "scientific data" to support your claim that "When you consume more protein your body burns FAT ", b/c that is just plainly bunk. It's a balance of alot of things, but noone ever said carbs were the best source of energy. Unless you don't care about catabolis, carbs are very beneficial in the proper ammounts and types post workout, regardless of your goals.
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Originally posted by Star_Scream Yeah, you'll lose the fat. But you'll retain water. But just run and sweat a bit and don't drink a ton and it will be gone. I think Cytodyne had a product for getting water out of your system. |
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Originally Posted by micflint001
when i take creatine i feal like i get like a wierd fealing in my stommach but it is right in the middle of my workout when i get the fealing in my stomach but after 15-30 mins i feal fine and i get alot better work out when i take creatine i get alot more of a work out for one thing and also i get a huge pump and seem to be able to do a little more than i can without it
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Originally Posted by Monolith
why the fuck did you just reply to a 2 year old thread?
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Digging in the dirt. Keep em' in check Monolith!
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Originally Posted by zenreich6005
why not?
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Originally Posted by PreMier
If you think not much has changed in the BB game in the last 50yrs you are blind. Look how the physiques have progressed. It takes KNOWLEDGE to build a physique like the BB's of today have. The BB's of past didnt posess this knowledge.
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Originally Posted by SPIKE1257
THE DIFFERENCE IS DRUGS... YOU KNOW THAT.
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Originally Posted by zenreich6005
premier we know that.
"Even with the best drugs, you wont be a champion BB unless you eat and train right. Drugs are only a small part of the equation." this was true in the 60's too. but these days the pros are bigger. they take more steroids and gh than they used to...thats why todays pros are bigger than yesterdays pros. NOTHING else has changed. |
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Originally Posted by zenreich6005
premier we know that.
"Even with the best drugs, you wont be a champion BB unless you eat and train right. Drugs are only a small part of the equation." this was true in the 60's too. but these days the pros are bigger. they take more steroids and gh than they used to...thats why todays pros are bigger than yesterdays pros. NOTHING else has changed. |
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Originally Posted by Monolith
why the fuck did you just reply to a 2 year old thread?
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that is the first time I have ever see MONO get hostile!
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Originally Posted by P-funk
that is the first time I have ever see MONO get hostile! |
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Originally Posted by PreMier
Like P-funk?
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Originally Posted by PreMier
We all know only SUPER moderators can ban. So
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Originally Posted by P-funk
Oh well........Don't worry, if I ever become super mod you aren't my first person to ban. there are a few others that I would get rid of first.
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Originally Posted by Var
When are you gonna get bumped to super mod, Funk??? Whats the criteria?
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Originally Posted by Monolith
Hopefully Johnnny is at the top of your list.
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Originally Posted by P-funk
I believe it has something to do with being able to bend over and grab your ankles....so in short....never.
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Originally Posted by Monolith
LOL @ PM's title
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Originally Posted by Var
I thought there might be some "back door" training involved!
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Originally Posted by zenreich6005
"Whatever man. I am done arguing with you. Diet is 90% no matter what. Its a science, and the pros of old didnt know what is known today. I feel sorry for you."
first off why do you feel sorry for me? because i have a different opinion than you on something? your acting like a baby. we're having a discussion here, not a cat fight... Vince gironda who guided many of the golden ages top guys recommended a diet that went something like this: Eat low carbohydrates and high protein and high fat for 3 days, then high carbs for one day and repeat. Draper decided that he liked his diet to be more of a 40 40 20 scheme.. i dont understand how you could possibly say that our diets now are that much better? isnt that what is currently being done? I dont understand how understanding the science behind something actually makes it more effective. just because draper didnt know what leptin was, he couldnt get lean? isnt food just food? and a caloric deficit a caloric deficit? get this, all the old school guys didnt do 45 minutes of cardio! they rocked the supersets and 15 minute bouts of hiit training. dont believe me? read drapers stuff sometime. read gironda's. sounds very similar to what the guys are rercommending these days...now that scientifc studies have confirmed it... your comment on their eating chicken post workout? Since when didn't they have protein shakes? if i remember correctly, they chugged down the rheo blair formula which was VERY heavy on whey and milk. and btw, a good slow releasing protein i.e. chicken isn't all that bad post workout...brian haycock a top modern guru recomends taking slow releasing stuff post workout. WHEY ISNT THAT GREAT! have you ever seen ronnie coleman's video? He claims he's doing low carb 5 days, high carb 1 day. but pours tons of bbq on top of his chicken at every meal. at least 20 grams of sugar... is that some sort of modern day scientific diet? in the latest flex magazine, ronnie coleman explained that because biceps are a small muscle, you have to hit them 3 days a week. he says that u need to keep each workout short, about 16 sets for the biceps.....not overtraining right? Oh yeah, on a another page it was telling me to do about 20 sets for shoulders. mmm...overtraining.. some other rguy named branch something or other was telling a story about how he would squat so much that he would puke and be unable to walk. he bragged about having to crawl on his hands and his knees because he couldnt walk and that he vomitted all over a bathroom floor. not too scientific... and if u wanna tell me that flex magazine is bullshit, which it is, then lets talk about the top minds in modern day training. charles staley and charles poliquin. almost everything that i see from these 2 guys is straight out of gironda's book. i do not mean to discredit them one bit. the good stuff works and these guys have scientifically proven that this stuff is better than others. but honestly....staley's claim to fame is "escalating density training" what is it? he says that the most work should be done in the shortest amount of time. sounds alot like the iron guru gironda's advice. wait, its the same! Gironda advocated workouts to be under an hour and rest at least 72 hours between bodyparts... sound familiar? p.s. he invented german volume training. and 20 rep squats.....those work like a mother fucker...and they have been around since the turn of the century... NOTHING IS NEW. and i dont understand how you can say, well diet is 90% of it. ok, yes, i know that. and old school bodybuilders knew that too. whats your point? anyone else care to jump in here with me? i feel like im going crazy.. |
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