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Posted by: TJ Cline

1960 - The Year The World Saw The Best Of Sonny Liston

07.06.06 - By James Slater: Charles “Sonny” Liston had a superb year in 1960. He went through everyone in his path to secure the ranking of number one contender for the heavyweight title. Men named Cleveland Williams (in a rematch), Roy Harris, Zora Folley and Eddie Machen were the fighters unlucky enough to have faced this version of the fighter who is best known nowadays for twice losing to Muhammad Ali. And although his exact birth date is something of a mystery -meaning it is possible that, physically, Sonny may even have been slightly past his very peak by this time - there is no doubting the fact that this was the best he ever looked as a fighter. This was the best anyone ever saw of Liston - this was the year of 1960. But it is the Williams fight in particular that the article you are reading focuses on.

In their first encounter, the year before, the crowd were treated to a quite magnificent and highly entertaining slugfest. There had been plenty of action in the three round fight. Williams hurt Sonny on a couple of occasions with his own shots before going down twice in the third round - the second knockdown bringing an end to the action. Now Cleveland had another chance against Liston.

A fairly even opening round went by, but the odds said a quick KO - one way or the other - was extremely likely. The audience watched the action like hawks. Both men threw hard and fast punches. In his heyday Liston really did have it all - he could both give and take a punch, and his speed and accuracy, along with his conditioning, were superb. Williams, a heavyweight in possession of a most magnificent build, could also punch with authority. He had proven this in the first encounter with Sonny. But try as he did, big Cleveland couldn’t put Sonny away.

A great second round saw both men land with power punches, but Sonny would not be denied. He had to take a fierce left hook from Williams, however, along with a burst of hurtful follow up blows which had him stuck in a corner, before retaliating with blistering shots of his own. Both men were looking for that knockout!

Then, after three consecutive lefts from Cleveland, Sonny landed a cracking overhand right , followed by another right hand that landed flush, and then a perfect left hook to the jaw that dropped his man heavily. Showing great bravery, Cleveland got up at eight - only to be met by the ferocious Liston who was coming to finish him off. With the courageous Williams stuck in the same corner that he himself had just been forced into, Sonny teed off on his wounded target. Blow after blow landed on Cleveland, until he slid down the ropes to the floor. He was grimacing in pain as he did so. Somehow, he pulled himself upright once more. But the referee had seen enough and stopped the onrushing Liston in his tracks and put a stop to the brutal fight. Liston had looked absolutely awesome. As near to unbeatable as anyone could imagine a fighter to look.

With all due respect to The Greatest, Muhammad Ali, this is not the Sonny Liston he would face some four years later. After destroying the outgunned Floyd Patterson for the title two years on from the Williams fight, and then doing so again in defence of his championship, Sonny became complacent. He was an old man in boxing terms by 1963/64. One can see, when viewing the Ali fights, that Liston’s body is no way near as taught and well trained as it had been in the fights he had in 1960-62. Ali got to him at the right time, it’s as simple as that. And no, the fights with Clay/Ali were not fixed. Sonny was some way past his best, that’s all.

This is to take nothing away from the standing - as the greatest heavyweight champion of all-time - of Ali. He may have beaten the 1960 version of Liston. God knows, he proved his brilliance many times over in his peerless career. But judging by what an awesome punching wrecking machine Liston was in the second fight with Cleveland Williams, I have to say, I’m nowhere near a hundred percent convinced that he would have been the victor, had they met four years earlier than they did.




Posted by: TJ Cline

Good article, Sonny was well past his prime in 1964 and 1965 when he fought Ali...who was almost 10 years his younger.



Posted by: topolo

missile away



Posted by: fUnc17

true he was older, but when ali beat him it was great... nothing like beating the bully



Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by fUnc17
true he was older, but when ali beat him it was great... nothing like beating the bully
Sonny was no more a bully than Ali was, in fact Ali proved himself to be the true bully throughout his career.



Posted by: fUnc17

Sonny was a paid enforcer. If someone owed me money and didnt want to pay me, id tell sonny to punch the guy in the face.



Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by fUnc17
Sonny was a paid enforcer. If someone owed me money and didnt want to pay me, id tell sonny to punch the guy in the face.
Yes this was when he was old and poor. I'm not saying he was a nice guy, what I'm saying is Ali was a bully also and so were many fighters.



Posted by: fUnc17

Quote:
Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Yes this was when he was old and poor. I'm not saying he was a nice guy, what I'm saying is Ali was a bully also and so were many fighters.
yea no shit, but it was still cool when ali knocked him out. there is an old poster of ali standing over sonny after ali knocked him out, and he was taunting sonny because sonny would taunt everyone he knocked out so it was only appropriate. sonny was a badass though



Posted by: bio-chem

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Originally Posted by topolo
missile away
nice to know you can be counted on for this in every single thread started



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by fUnc17
yea no shit, but it was still cool when ali knocked him out. there is an old poster of ali standing over sonny after ali knocked him out, and he was taunting sonny because sonny would taunt everyone he knocked out so it was only appropriate. sonny was a badass though
I watched a story on the guy who took that pic....it was on ESPN. I didn't realize he was the biggest sports photographer of his generation. I saw the vid of that pic...Ali just waved his arm once for a .1 of a second......the guy got a great pic out of that moment, he said it was one of the luckiest pics he ever took.



Posted by: topolo

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Originally Posted by bio-chem
nice to know you can be counted on for this in every single thread started
I'm glad you think so.



Posted by: Dale Mabry

Ali was, perhaps, the biggest bully when he pounded the ever living shit out of George "Use my grill" Foreman.



Posted by: aceshigh

butterbean woulda crushed em all



Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Ali was, perhaps, the biggest bully when he pounded the ever living shit out of George "Use my grill" Foreman.
You must be talking about when George punched himself out and fell down from exhaustion....and then Ali ran for 3 1/2 years from the re-match.



Posted by: KentDog

I keep hearing stories of how feared Sonny Liston was back in the day but I have yet to see any of his fights outside of the two with Ali. A lot of people believe his two losses to Ali were dives (especially in the second fight where he was KO'ed in round 1).



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