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Juicing in my forties: Test/EQ/Anavar/HCG/Arim/Nolva

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Posted by: redflash

I'll be kicking off my next cycle in mid-July - the third since I started lifting again a couple of years ago. I want to get big but four factors influence my choice of cycles:
1) I'm in my forties,
2) I'm a professional who needs to wear a suit and look smart at work,
3) my wife doesn't know I juice, and
4) I want to look after my liver and prostate.

I am happy with my life and don't want marital or career advice, thanks....

Last cycle was
1-6 Test E 250mg/wk
1-6 EQ 400mg/wk
1-2 Anavar 40mg/day to kickstart
3-6 HCG 300IU twice a week
3-7 Arim 0.25/day
8-11 Nolva 40/40/20/20

This was my first time ever using test (in my 20s I used Deca for 2-3 cycles with Primo and Anavar tabs pre-comp). I loved my first test experience but I started to get the odd spot on my face and quite a few on my shoulders so because of wife and job I quit early what was going to be an 8-weeker. Next cycle I'm going to try to stick with it for the full 8 weeks.

This time I'm planning on running the Anavar at 40mg/day throughout - it doesn't aromatise, I like what it does, and I can afford it.

One of the reasons I run Test and EQ and not straight test is because in my forties I need to look after my tendons. Mudge's thread on tendon health is a must-read for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about.

Next cycle wll be:
1-8 Test E 250mg/wk (total 2000mg)
1-8 EQ 400mg/wk (total 3200mg)
1-8 Anavar 40mg/day (total 2240mg)
4-8 HCG 300IU twice a week
2-8 Arim 0.25/day
9-12 Nolva 40/40/20/20

The thing I don't understand from all the posts I have read on the forum is why I shouldn't run the Arim for a couple of weeks into PCT. The job it does is to stop the armotisation in the first place, whereas Nolva just blocks the estrogen receptors. Both Test E and EQ have half-lives of a couple of weeks, so I'll still have around half of each floating around in my system two weeks after my last shot. Why would I want to stop the Arim on the day of my last shot, allowing the Test and EQ to aromatise and giving the Nolva more work to do? Why not run the Arim for a couple of weeks and then bring the Nolva in?

Grateful for considered responses from the experts, on the cycle in general or the Arim in particular.

If anyone else wants to say "just do test 500mg/wk for ten weeks" then I'd be grateful if you'd save it for another thread....

Thanks in advance,

Flash

Posted by: Pirate!

I run my anti-aromatase well into pct. I'm a bit confused by your pct schedule. Looks like your pct starts immediately after your last injection. That is fine, but I recommend not ending pct until at least 6 weeks after your last shot of gear.

Also, I doubt you need much, if any, adex during this cycle. The two reasons to use as little adex as possible are this:

1) It's bad for your already compromised cholesterol profile.
2) It dries out your joints. Believe me: THIS DOES DAMAGE.

Adex is too strong for me. I like a low dose of aromasin every 2-3 days on cycle. Basically, use just enough to keep gyno away, but no more.
If you are set on using adex, consider this schedule for it:

3-10 Adex 12.5 mg EOD

You can always raise the dose if that doesn't do it for you.

Good luck with your cycle, bro.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Next cycle wll be:
1-8 Test E 250mg/wk (total 2000mg)...I would run 375mg a week
1-8 EQ 400mg/wk (total 3200mg)
1-8 Anavar 40mg/day (total 2240mg)
4-8 HCG 300IU twice a week
2-8 Arim 0.25/day......run 2-9
9-12 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Pct I only run 4 weeks after short low dose cycles like this. I really think PCT is over rated when it comes to low dose short cycles but better to be safe.

Posted by: musclepump

On 8 weeks I'd definitely up the Test E dosage; long ester, use a little more. At least Foreman's rec. if not 400-450. On the HCG, you may not need to start it in week 4. Grab your sack and decide by that; don't use it if you don't have to. Depending on how sensitive you are to Nolva, you may want to do 60/40/20/20

Posted by: redflash

Thanks for the advice guys.

AI: last cycle, I wasn't planning on using the Arim unless I needed to but by end of week 2 my nipples were hard and sensitive and I had gained around 8lb, mainly water of course. I guess if I can learn to live with that then I could drop the Arim but I'm not sure I can go around with my nipples sticking through my shirt at work....

Pirate, I'm confused by your suggested dosage. I thought Arim (the real AstraZeneca thing) came in 1mg tabs. I cut these into quarters to take 0.25 mg per day. I must be misreading your post or I've got my dosages mixed up.

HCG: I'll do the nads test - check the size and maybe leave it a little later. All I want to do is to keep as much of my gains as I can, and nad retention is part of my strategy.

Test: Comes in 250mg vials and I confess to having thought that limited me to either 250mg/wk or the jump to 500mg/wk. It's difficult for me to shoot more than once a week (except for HCG which is quick and easy) so I'd have to draw one and a half vials to get to 375mg and pull the other half into another barrel for next time. I like the thought of this, and it gets me a half-decent dose without jumping to 500mg yet.

PCT/Nolva: Foreman if you were going to do four weeks of PCT, would you start two weeks after last shot for four weeks, ending six weeks after last shot as Pirate suggests?

Thanks again guys, I'll keep you posted when I start.

Flash

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by redflash

Thanks for the advice guys.

AI: last cycle, I wasn't planning on using the Arim unless I needed to but by end of week 2 my nipples were hard and sensitive and I had gained around 8lb, mainly water of course. I guess if I can learn to live with that then I could drop the Arim but I'm not sure I can go around with my nipples sticking through my shirt at work....

Pirate, I'm confused by your suggested dosage. I thought Arim (the real AstraZeneca thing) came in 1mg tabs. I cut these into quarters to take 0.25 mg per day. I must be misreading your post or I've got my dosages mixed up.

HCG: I'll do the nads test - check the size and maybe leave it a little later. All I want to do is to keep as much of my gains as I can, and nad retention is part of my strategy.

Test: Comes in 250mg vials and I confess to having thought that limited me to either 250mg/wk or the jump to 500mg/wk. It's difficult for me to shoot more than once a week (except for HCG which is quick and easy) so I'd have to draw one and a half vials to get to 375mg and pull the other half into another barrel for next time. I like the thought of this, and it gets me a half-decent dose without jumping to 500mg yet.

PCT/Nolva: Foreman if you were going to do four weeks of PCT, would you start two weeks after last shot for four weeks, ending six weeks after last shot as Pirate suggests?

Thanks again guys, I'll keep you posted when I start.

Flash

Just do a shot every 5 or 6 days, that way you will get more than 250 and less than 500 a week.

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

Originally Posted by redflash

Pirate, I'm confused by your suggested dosage. I thought Arim (the real AstraZeneca thing) came in 1mg tabs. I cut these into quarters to take 0.25 mg per day. I must be misreading your post or I've got my dosages mixed up.

My bad. I meant 0.125mg/day. .25mg/day is pretty common. It is too much for me. Driving estrogen low can be harmful. You just have to find what works for you without taking too much. It can lower your libido, as well.

Posted by: Tha Don

personally i think pre-loading the test is fine, i ran 250mg for a bit and just split the amp between 2 syringes and shot 2x per week as planned, will allow for more stable blood levels than once every 5 days, roidcalc gives quite a nice illustration of this, but its no big deal shooting a amp per 5 days if that is more conveinient for you

as for the AI its a very personal thing, as with pirate, adex dosen't seem to agree with me, i didn't find the stuff effective at all at getting rid of bloat, and in higher doses it hit my joints, right now i'm using letro, and it is lovely stuff, on 1.25mg EOD and its keeping me dry as anything on test/dbol! not tried aromasin, but i've heard people saying that has dried them out too much, so i guess it really is an individual thing, everyone seems to use a diff AI at a diff dose if you've noticed, as i'm sure you're aware, one size never fits all with these drugs

Posted by: redflash

Thanks all for the input. Next cycle now looks like this:

1-8 Test E 375mg/wk (total 3000mg)
1-8 EQ 400mg/wk (total 3200mg)
1-7 Anavar 40mg/day (total 2000mg - just realised I have 100x20mg caps so can't do the full 8 weeks)
?-8 HCG 300IU twice a week (starting when nuts start to fade)
2-9 Arim 0.125-0.250/day (variable amount is because, noting Pirate's point about joints, I want to minimise the dose but I'm not sure I can accurately cut each tab into eighths!)
10-14 Nolva 40/40/20/20 (ending six weeks after last shot)

Musclepump, thanks for the suggestion to run Nolva starting at 60 but I don't think I need to; there shouldn't be too much estrogen floating around because of the Arim, so I'll stick to 40/40/20/20. That's Nolva equivalent by the way; I'm using generic Tamoxifen citrate so the actual dosages will be higher than this.

Happy training....

Flash

Posted by: Pirate!

You can take 1/4 of your Adex pill EOD instead of trying to split the pill into eights. Also, I'd run the hcg until you begin pct. Looks like a solid cycle either way. Best of luck.

Posted by: redflash

[QUOTE=Pirate!]You can take 1/4 of your Adex pill EOD instead of trying to split the pill into eights. QUOTE]

Really? I guess I was basing this on my understanding of all sorts of orals (AAS, vitamins, paracetomol...) as being short-lived. That's great news Pirate, much more even dosages.

Updated cycle:

1-8 Test E 375mg/wk (total 3000mg)
1-8 EQ 400mg/wk (total 3200mg)
1-7 Anavar 40mg/day (total 2000mg)
?-9 HCG 300IU twice a week (starting when nuts start to fade)
2-9 Arim 0.250 EOD 10-14 Nolva 40/40/20/20 (ending six weeks after last shot)

Oh, and I forgot to mention in my original rationale .... blood pressure! I don't like the feeling of my pulse pounding and I know in my forties I need to keep blood pressure within tolerances so controlling water retention is important to me. I'm normally 120-130/75-80 and am keen to stay there. Also, I have a serious motivation issue with doing cardio so I need to address that....

Hope this helps others in (or approaching - we're all going the same way!) their forties or beyond.

All the best,

Flash

Posted by: Tha Don

definately would run the hcg up until pct starts, as for the BP it might be an idea to look into getting something for it to have on hand just incase

Posted by: Tough Old Man

[quote=redflash]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

You can take 1/4 of your Adex pill EOD instead of trying to split the pill into eights. QUOTE]

Really? I guess I was basing this on my understanding of all sorts of orals (AAS, vitamins, paracetomol...) as being short-lived. That's great news Pirate, much more even dosages.

Updated cycle:

1-8 Test E 375mg/wk (total 3000mg)
1-8 EQ 400mg/wk (total 3200mg)
1-7 Anavar 40mg/day (total 2000mg)
?-9 HCG 300IU twice a week (starting when nuts start to fade)
2-9 Arim 0.250 EOD 10-14 Nolva 40/40/20/20 (ending six weeks after last shot)

Oh, and I forgot to mention in my original rationale .... blood pressure! I don't like the feeling of my pulse pounding and I know in my forties I need to keep blood pressure within tolerances so controlling water retention is important to me. I'm normally 120-130/75-80 and am keen to stay there. Also, I have a serious motivation issue with doing cardio so I need to address that....

Hope this helps others in (or approaching - we're all going the same way!) their forties or beyond.

All the best,

Flash

Hey Flash I tell you something. I'm in my 50's. My cycle right now is 1 gram of test, 600 eq and 400 deca. I also just came off d-bol. Last month i went to a mex pharm and pick me up some good old fashion BP meds. 100 tabs for $11. The last two time my BP was taking, it was 105 / 65 and 107 / 69. A drop from 140's / 90's while cycling. otherwise without gear or meds it's 120's / 70-80's

Posted by: redflash

[QUOTE=Tough Old Man]

Quote:

Originally Posted by redflash

TOM, if I can get to undeer 120/75 without meds I'll be a happy boy - in your fifties, that's impressive. Trouble is I'm out of the house at 6:30AM and back 7:00PM four days a week so trying to get eight hours sleep AND eat and train is real tough. So guess what, if I have to choose between benching and cardio the benching wins every time. I'm trying to put off taking BP meds for as long as I can.

How much cardio do you do on and off cycle?

Hats off to you, TOM, still pumping serious iron in your fifties. That's a tough old man, alright. Keep it up!

Flash

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