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Posted by: 19-chief

other than PH's, this will be my 3rd cycle... i've run test e and eq twice. the second time i dropped the eq after 10 weeks and stretched out the cycle with low dose test e and tren a for 4 weeks. from that experience, i determined that i would like to run tren again. pretty amazing stuff for 4 weeks at 70mg eod... so, pretty much i have decided on a test/tren cycle but i am up in the air as to whether i want to run a long or short esters (which could determine if i run some anavar on the front and/or masteron on the back or throughout.) this would be a lean bulk... consuming enough calories to grow but doing cardio and not trying gain too much more bf.

1. test e and tren e or test prop and tren a

2. test e, tren e, and var or tbol on the front and/or drost prop on the back

3. test e, tren e and drost e or test prop, tren a, and drost prop

any suggestions? i'm leaning towards #2 or LA #3 with or without an oral...

Posted by: BigPapaPump68

Test prop, Tren e, and var would be great.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

Test prop, Tren e, and var would be great.

did you mean test e with tren e? if so, what kind of ratio? 1:1, 1:2, or 2:1?

Posted by: BigPapaPump68

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

did you mean test e with tren e? if so, what kind of ratio? 1:1, 1:2, or 2:1?

WEEKS 1-6: Trenbolone acetate 75mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1-8: Testosterone Propionate 100mg Every Other Day
You cold also use anavar at no less than 50mg/day, it does get pricy, but homebrew is alot cheaper. The results are great from it IMO.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

Looks good but I like to run tren the last half of the cycle so I would do it like this

1-8 Test prop 150mg EOD
1-6 Anavar 60mg ED
3-8 Tren 75mg EOD

Posted by: musclepump

Try some IGF-1

Posted by: 19-chief

so you guys are of the opinion i should use short esters, eh? i don't think i would throw in the 'var if that were the case. any opinions on adding masteron to the mix? i've read that too much androgenic activity could mess with me... energy, libido, appetite, sleep, etc... but that at the right doses this stack could be nice.
IGF-1 i've considered. i've also considered the oratropin but they make the cycle a bit pricey... i just happen to have some liquid 'var around so that's why i considered it on the front of a long estered cycle.

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

so you guys are of the opinion i should use short esters, eh? i don't think i would throw in the 'var if that were the case. any opinions on adding masteron to the mix? i've read that too much androgenic activity could mess with me... energy, libido, appetite, sleep, etc... but that at the right doses this stack could be nice.
IGF-1 i've considered. i've also considered the oratropin but they make the cycle a bit pricey... i just happen to have some liquid 'var around so that's why i considered it on the front of a long estered cycle.

Nah, short esthers are a pain in the ass, literally!

I would run a 10 week cycle of Test E, and Tren E. Since you already know how you respond to Tren the long esther shouldn't be an issue for you.

1-10 Test E 750mg EW split
1-8 Tren E 325mg EW split

I ran a very similar cycle not to long ago (with drol as well) and was responding incredibly until an injury. Next time I will run it with EQ or Deca to lube the joints.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by largepkg

Nah, short esthers are a pain in the ass, literally!

ok. i can do the 2:1 but it would probably be 500:250. i'd consider the eq but not the deca... don't know if i dig two nandros together. how much eq if running 500:250? maybe another 250-300 of eq???

Posted by: largepkg

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

ok. i can do the 2:1 but it would probably be 500:250. i'd consider the eq but not the deca... don't know if i dig two nandros together. how much eq if running 500:250? maybe another 250-300 of eq???

Everyone is different with respects to EQ. I've only run it once @ 600mg EW split. At the time I was running only Test with it. If you're concerned about running to much gear then start with 300mg and see how you respond.

I blame my injury on the Tren drying me out. I partially tore a tendon in my elbow. This would be the only reason I would add the EQ to this type of cycle.

Posted by: Pirate!

Test E/ Tren E / EQ/ Tbol

You will get more mass from Tbol than Var. No reason to go crazy with the doses. I think the following will be plenty:

Test 500 mg
Tren 250 mg
EQ 400 mg
Tbol 50 mg/day

I wouldn't use masteron in a cycle with tren, even if you used them at different points in the cycle.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by Pirate!

Test E/ Tren E / EQ/ Tbol

You will get more mass from Tbol than Var. No reason to go crazy with the doses. I think the following will be plenty:

Test 500 mg
Tren 250 mg
EQ 400 mg
Tbol 50 mg/day

I wouldn't use masteron in a cycle with tren, even if you used them at different points in the cycle.

i have considered tbol for a kicker before but one bottle at that dose would only go 20 days... how long were you thinking? 4-6 weeks? if i went 6 weeks, that would make this compound the most expensive one in the stack. i know that for the most part ph's don't really compare to aas but i've got succifient amounts of (no more anavar) 4ad powder, m4ohn, 1-4add, and m1t to kickstart with... at some point, it comes down to cost too. (btw, i don't think i'd ever touch the m1t again but the others i would consider for a kicker.)

Posted by: 19-chief

these are all just sitting around... could i use any of them?
2.7g of 1-4add (300mg caps)
25g of 4ad powder
2 bottles, i think, of m4ohn
2 bottles of m1t (not gonna use though)

Posted by: Pirate!

You could definitely use the 4ad. I wouldn't bother with the other phs. Tbol is generally not that expensive, but if you only have 20 days worth, that would work well. A 20 day kickstart of tbol worked great for me on a test e/ eq cycle I ran.

Posted by: 19-chief

ok. no kicker. just a poor man's version of EQ to provide lubrication and possibly bring out the viens later in the cycle...

1-12 500mg/wk TestE
1-10 250mg/wk TrenE
4-12 900mg 1-4ADD ed
4-13 500iu HCG e5d
14-18 40-40-20-20 Nolva

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Try some IGF-1

don't think that b/c i didn't respond at first, i'm not considering it now... maybe one kit lr3 at 40 ed somewhere towards the peek of this cycle and another timed to coincide with pct four weeks later? (i know i've said something already about cost but... for the result of hypertrophy stacked with Test and Tren... look out!)

Posted by: Pirate!

I don't recommend using IGF on this cycle. Your pumps will be really intense already. Your joints will be under enough stress, too. If your joints feel fine during pct, that would be a good time for IGF, IMO.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by Pirate!

I don't recommend using IGF on this cycle. Your pumps will be really intense already. Your joints will be under enough stress, too. If your joints feel fine during pct, that would be a good time for IGF, IMO.

would you say that to be the case with with all aas cycles or just this one for some reason?

there is one more option as to where to run the igf in relation to the aas... somewhere before the androgens really kick in -perhaps pre-cycle to either SA or LA esters, perhaps as a kicker for LA esters. makes me wonder what an aas environment would do for newly formed muscle cells...

Posted by: Pirate!

It's just my experience that it hurts your joints. I even tried using it on nandralone, and my joints still felt dry. What is your plan for estrogen protection? IGF and anti-e's together kill my joints even worse.

Posted by: 19-chief

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

It's just my experience that it hurts your joints. I even tried using it on nandralone, and my joints still felt dry. What is your plan for estrogen protection? IGF and anti-e's together kill my joints even worse.

i don't usually run anti-e's on cycle... 500mg of test doesn't bother me and i don't imagine an additional 250mg of tren will either. what do you think about creating new cells before an aas surge? i'd consider 25 days at 40mcg/ed total bilaterally post work out and muscle specific during the first 4 weeks of enanthates.

Posted by: ag-guys

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Originally Posted by 19-chief

other than PH's, this will be my 3rd cycle... i've run test e and eq twice. the second time i dropped the eq after 10 weeks and stretched out the cycle with low dose test e and tren a for 4 weeks. from that experience, i determined that i would like to run tren again. pretty amazing stuff for 4 weeks at 70mg eod... so, pretty much i have decided on a test/tren cycle but i am up in the air as to whether i want to run a long or short esters (which could determine if i run some anavar on the front and/or masteron on the back or throughout.) this would be a lean bulk... consuming enough calories to grow but doing cardio and not trying gain too much more bf.

1. test e and tren e or test prop and tren a

2. test e, tren e, and var or tbol on the front and/or drost prop on the back

3. test e, tren e and drost e or test prop, tren a, and drost prop

any suggestions? i'm leaning towards #2 or LA #3 with or without an oral...

Test prop, tren acetate and arimidex

AG-Guys
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Posted by: 19-chief

Quote:

Originally Posted by ag-guys

Test prop, tren acetate and arimidex

AG-Guys
www.AG-Guys.com

fair enough. given the numbers i would run with enanthates, what would you suggest for dose and length... especially the a'dex. i know nothing about a'dex, really.

Posted by: 19-chief

ok. mission has begun.

1-10 250mg Test E E3.5D
1-10 125mg Tren E E3.5D
2-10 300mg 1,4ADD TID
11-12 150mg Test P EOD
3-12 300iu HCG E5D
12-17 40/40/20/20/10 N'dex ED
17-21 20mcgx2 (bilateral) LR3 ED

Posted by: largepkg

Looks good brother. Good luck!

I guess you gave up running the EQ for the lubrication?

Posted by: 19-chief

thanks, just 900mg of 1,4add ED... hopefully that will do a little conversion to boldenone!

Posted by: kicka19

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

ok. mission has begun.

1-10 250mg Test E E3.5D
1-10 125mg Tren E E3.5D
2-10 300mg 1,4ADD TID
11-12 150mg Test P EOD
3-12 300iu HCG E5D
12-17 40/40/20/20/10 N'dex ED
17-21 20mcgx2 (bilateral) LR3 ED

looks good, that 11-12 week prop tail is a nice idea

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

ok. mission has begun.

1-10 250mg Test E E3.5D
1-10 125mg Tren E E3.5D
2-10 300mg 1,4ADD TID
11-12 150mg Test P EOD
3-12 300iu HCG E5D
12-17 40/40/20/20/10 N'dex ED
17-21 20mcgx2 (bilateral) LR3 ED

1-10 250mg Test E 2x a week
1-3 100mg test prop
4-9 125mg Tren E 2x a week
2-10 300mg 1,4ADD TID...I don't know anything about this drug
11-12 150mg Test P EOD
5-12 300iu HCG E5D
12-17 40/40/20/20/10 N'dex ED
17-21 20mcgx2 (bilateral) LR3 ED,,,I don't know anything about this drug

Posted by: 19-chief

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

1. i don't have the prop just yet so, no kicker. but i planned to use it to keep active blood levels up right until pct.

2. E3.5D= every 3.5 days= 2x per week

3. only 6 weeks of tren enan?

4. 1,4add is the precursor to boldenone. although it is weak, i believe it is better than none. besides, it's the only way i can think of using my ph stash... i don't want to pawn that stuff on anyone else.

5. just wanted to keep the boys in check... i guess you are suggesting waiting a few more weeks to avoid any chance of desensitization?

6. LR3 is IGF-1 and i'm still a bit unsure if that is where i will utilize it in the overall scheme of things.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

1. i don't have the prop just yet so, no kicker. but i planned to use it to keep active blood levels up right until pct.

2. E3.5D= every 3.5 days= 2x per week ok

3. only 6 weeks of tren enan? I would not run it longer than 8 weeks

4. 1,4add is the precursor to boldenone. although it is weak, i believe it is better than none. besides, it's the only way i can think of using my ph stash... i don't want to pawn that stuff one anyone else.

5. just wanted to keep the boys in check... i guess you are suggesting waiting a few more weeks to avoid any chance of desensitization? Don't need it the first 4-5 weeks IMO

6. LR3 is IGF-1 and i'm still a bit unsure if that is where i will utilize it in the overall scheme of things.

Looks good either way

Posted by: 19-chief

thanks, we'll see how it goes. i'm only three shots in but i don't think it's gonna take long to hit me. i started running the 1,4add along with the first shot but i doubt i will feel anything from it... i'm treating it more like an ancillary for my joints.

maybe i'll shorten the entire cycle by 2 weeks... run both enans for 8 weeks with 2 weeks of prop on the end. is there a particular reason, scientific or otherwise, you would not run tren longer than eight weeks?

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

thanks, we'll see how it goes. i'm only three shots in but i don't think it's gonna take long to hit me. i started running the 1,4add along with the first shot but i doubt i will feel anything from it... i'm treating it more like an ancillary for my joints.

maybe i'll shorten the entire cycle by 2 weeks... run both enans for 8 weeks with 2 weeks of prop on the end. is there a particular reason, scientific or otherwise, you would not run tren longer than eight weeks?

Tren is hard on the kidneys from what I read and from personal experiance.

Posted by: Pirate!

I don't believe tren is hard on your kidneys, and I think waiting until week 5 to start the hcg is pointless. You will be completely shut down by week 3. Just my two cents.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

I don't believe tren is hard on your kidneys, and I think waiting until week 5 to start the hcg is pointless. You will be completely shut down by week 3. Just my two cents.

Well tren gave me mild kidney problems and I have read that tren can do this......and week 3 stutdown??? not a chance IMO.....Just my two cents

Posted by: 19-chief

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Well tren gave me mild kidney problems and I have read that tren can do this......and week 3 stutdown??? not a chance IMO.....Just my two cents

i think this is semantics here. i think you see "shutdown" as atrophy and pirate sees "shutdown" as having an effect on the htpa.

as i understand it, i could theoretically shoot myself with a reasonable amount of any aas, particularly test and tren, only one time and it will have a large effect on my htpa. and although i may not be "shutdown" and my boys may not be shriveled up like raisins, these events/side effects ARE set in to motion.

Posted by: TJ Cline

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19-chief

To be honest when I did 6 week cycles I had 0 shut down....didn't even need PCT. Kept 90% of my gains 8 weeks post cycle also.

Posted by: 19-chief

ok, having some discomfort behind the nips... from my experience, i have had two different sensations when symptoms of gyno come on... 1) sensitive nips 2) nips not sensitive but pain behind the nip. this is #2 and i'm thinking it's prolactin gyno from the tren. i could be wrong but i've begun with 40mg for two days and have done 20mg since and will continue to do so until pain subsides. then, i will run 10mg until pct. wondering if i should get caborline or arimidex?

Posted by: Pirate!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

To be honest when I did 6 week cycles I had 0 shut down....didn't even need PCT. Kept 90% of my gains 8 weeks post cycle also.

Did you have bloodwork done on cycle? LH is nil within days when days using orals or within a couple weeks when using long ester only. Shutdown usually refers to the breakdown of the HPT axis due to negative feedback. The pituitary is very sensitive to estrogens and androgens and when these are in surplus, the pituitary will lower or stop releasing LH very quickly.

I think it’s too early to tell if your gyno is caused by one thing or the other. I forgot what doses and esters you are running. I would use an AI for sure.

Posted by: 19-chief

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

I think it’s too early to tell if your gyno is caused by one thing or the other. I forgot what doses and esters you are running. I would use an AI for sure.

1-8 test e 250 e3.5d
1-8 tren e 125 e3.5d
1-8 1,4add 300 tid
9-11 test p 100 eod

.25 a'dex ed???

Posted by: Pirate!

I would use the adex. Personally, .25 mg ED is too much for me. Half that works great for me. It may dry your joints a bit.

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