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Originally Posted by tommyboy11
Hey guys jus had a question, went lookin through threads but couldnt find much info, what do you guys think of IGF-1 i was thinkin of runnin it possibly sometime into the future and see some sites sellin it. I would appreciate any feedback you guys have on it, thanks
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Originally Posted by dg806
Expensive
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Originally Posted by musclepump
Depends on how you look at it. Figure it at $120 a kit which will last about 25 days, which is about where diminishing returns begin. Contrast that to HGH which you run for six months, and you're saving a ton of cash.
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Originally Posted by dg806
LOL, how you figure??? Seeing where real gear at half that cost will give you many more times the gains.
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Originally Posted by Heimir
My experience with IGF-1 has been disapointing.
I ran up to 100mg ed with not much result. Tried 2 different sources and used both the powder form and the premix. I know several people that reports good results but many also report no result so it seems to be a hit or miss. |
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Originally Posted by musclepump
How did you run it--did you shoot it all at once or divide your doses pre and post workout?
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Originally Posted by Heimir
Tried it different ways.
40mcg first thing in the morning and 40mcg post workout. 40mcg pre workout and 40 mcg post workout. 80mcg post workout. Really did not do much for me. |
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
I like it for cutting. It's great for shuttling glucose over an extended period. It won't do much for mass or strength, though. You will feel like you have arthritis.
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Originally Posted by musclepump
Hi Genius,
Because as you noticed (if you opened those steroid-swollen eyes, ya fucking juicer!) I was comparing it to Human Growth Hormone, not Anabolic Steroids. |
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Originally Posted by musclepump
How were your pumps on IGF-1? I've heard a lot of feedback that pumps can get painfully intense.
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Originally Posted by Pirate!
They aren't problematic for me at any dose. Maybe if I was using gear, they could get out of hand.
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Originally Posted by Mudge
IGF didn't do anything for me either, but I only tried it once. If you try it twice and it doesn't do anything for you, leave it be.
Friend of mine liked it at 60mcg daily, 40mcg he didn't notice much. |
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Originally Posted by Mudge
I didn't have any of those issues thankfully.
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Originally Posted by Mudge
Doesn't much matter when I got no gains from it.
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Originally Posted by Trouble
Your IGF-1 probably didn't work because it wasn't renatured correctly. Other forums have posted nice semi-soft science threads that describe its reconstitution from lyophylized (free dried) powder. You need 100 mM acetic acid buffer acid to protonate the surface enough of this relatively small peptide to get 'untangled" from the protein glue it forms once water hit the concentrated mass.
Plus, you got fuckchops who think they know what they're doing when they use a peptide synthesizer. Don't purify the endproduct, you get these short shit sequences that are competitive binders for the same active sites as the long from IGF-1, 'cept that they don't work. Plus, your product did sit in not so good conditions in a hot environment before you made it up to use. My guess: dirty product of questionable quality, improper reconstitution and potentially thermal damage, in that order. The lack of effective product would support the observation of a lack of the commonly reported headache side effect Why do you get headaches from IGF-1? It interacts with pro-inflammatory agents (cytokines and prostanoids) in various cells, including the muscles of the neck and head, and in brain, where mild neuralgia can be induced by inflammation at the base of the brain/spinal chord junction. How do I know this? I worked in molecualr biology and protein biochemisry for many years. The reason you aren't a creatine responder is that you haven't the proper ion control in your cells; that can be remedied. Plus, you may have been using a creatine form (monohydrate) that dimerized(forms polymers that are too big to be effectively transported into intestinal lumen) during commercial process drying (its sold as anhydrous crystalline form). I'd put my money on the dimerized form and also your aquaporin status, Mudge. The headache comes from |
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Originally Posted by Mudge
I was getting more sleep when I started using it than now, so I wonder if that may have been the case. I am semi-sensative sometimes when changes in sleep occur, lately I get very little. I still have an email from monday to reply to (IA), I still have a health care form from two weeks ago to fill out, just now finished some brokerage forms.
Time is lé beesh. |
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Originally Posted by Mudge
IGF didn't do anything for me either, but I only tried it once. If you try it twice and it doesn't do anything for you, leave it be.
Friend of mine liked it at 60mcg daily, 40mcg he didn't notice much. |
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Originally Posted by Trouble
Oh ho, you don't even like blondes, eh?
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I had a couple ladies hitting on me today as well, it seems to come in batches.
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Originally Posted by Mudge
Except for you, of course!
I had a couple ladies hitting on me today as well, it seems to come in batches. |