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Whos going to win the world cup?


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Posted by: goob

Its heating up.....
The worlds population are on the edge of their seats living through a roller coaster of emotions as the stage moves to its climax. Beers are thrown at TVs, grown men cry, wives and girlfriends despair as theyre men ignore them and focus intently on the preceedings. But the $64m question is..
Whos going to lift the Cup at the end?

My tips Argentina - the complete footballing side, total skill, tacticaly astute and tough. And a certain Mr Messi.

2nd - Brazil - absolute class & Ronaldinios a genius, even fatty ronaldo will start smacking them in left right and centre.

Contenders - Germany, looking good, Home support.
Italy , cynical tacticaly masterful, and dirty when neeeded.
England - Pretty boy tossers, but classy in midfield and defence, and have Shrek up front to cause damage.
Holland & Spain, skillful and a joy to watch, questionable temperament.

Whats your tips?



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Hmmm.....I think Soccer may be just to physical for my kids.
I never knew there was so much love in this sport.



Posted by: the nut

United States of course!



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Posted by: Goodfella9783

And Italy moves on by Totti's PK. Great game, sucks for Australia after all that that it comes down to a stupid foul. I was looking forward to OT's and PK's, just happy that Italy won.



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
And Italy moves on by Totti's PK. Great game, sucks for Australia after all that that it comes down to a stupid foul. I was looking forward to OT's and PK's, just happy that Italy won.
are you serious, there was no foul there! it was a bad call by the ref, typical Italian luck! they wont make it through the next round though!



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by MyK
are you serious, there was no foul there! it was a bad call by the ref, typical Italian luck! they wont make it through the next round though!
Once he took the dive, it was easy to sell it and turn it into a foul by the Italians. Stupid for goin to the ground in the box by the Aussie.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Italy has a good chance to move on they will be playing either the Swiss or Ukraine next round



Posted by: ReproMan

Wow, I could really care less. I tried to care, I really did. I even watched a game that the USA wasn't playing in. Then I saw some team celebrate a group match win like it was game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals and I turned it off. Soccer is gay.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

I love the non-stop action and no-commercial aspect.

I do think that PK's should be moved back a little. The goalie has virtually no chance besides the kicker fucking up or by guessing the correct direction in which to dive. That sucks. It's like an automatic goal.



Posted by: goob

Good call, but its the phsycalolgy of the penalty situation. 60,000 fans all eyes on you, make or break situation. Would be good to move it back, but it would go on for ever. Pressure is ENORMOUS. I remember a Liverpool keeper in a Cup final tie floppng about before the kick was taken, like some drunken clown on valium, the kicker was so unnerved, he skyed it. Class. Its all about keeping cool. In a college game i played in - semi final penalty shot out, I had the last kick and am usually good at them, going for the psycological faint - put the keeper the wrong way. pressure got to me and i blasted it.........way over. Noooo.... team mates were not happy....

You got to love the drama, especially if its your team...



Posted by: goob

Got to say the Aussies were unlucky. If the Ukraine go through though, they might just knock the italians out...

Andrej Shevchenko.... need you say more. Possibly the best striker in the world.

Still, I think the Argies will blaze a trail through despite a diff result against Mexico. The European style wont be able to compete with their skillful style.



Posted by: MyK

looks like we have some penalty Kicks!!!



Posted by: IainDaniel

That was a horrible display by the swiss



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
That was a horrible display by the swiss
That whole game sucked! I just want the Ukrains to beat the Italians. then get beat out by germany who will beat out Argetina. then England will slam Germany in the Final. Probably wont happen, but I will be happy when England takes the cup!



Posted by: goob

Can't see England getting the cup, with their squad they should have a chance but don't play much as a team. Bunch of pretty boy posers anyway, the Agries far out class them in terms of skill, but England do seem to have an awful lot of luck and seem to be blessed sometimes, (what happens when you sell your soul to Satan) albiet not at penalties. The swiss ukraine game was terrible, no desire to win, just defend defend and hope for the counter attack. Spain v France looks like a good line up......



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by goob
Can't see England getting the cup, with their squad they should have a chance but don't play much as a team. Bunch of pretty boy posers anyway, the Agries far out class them in terms of skill, but England do seem to have an awful lot of luck and seem to be blessed sometimes, (what happens when you sell your soul to Satan) albiet not at penalties. The swiss ukraine game was terrible, no desire to win, just defend defend and hope for the counter attack. Spain v France looks like a good line up......
what are you talking about? luck? selling souls? I agree that ENgland arent playing as well as they should be, but the have the portugal game to pull there shit together. and fuck Argentina and their "hand of God", yea, they got class



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Ghana is hella fun to watch. They hustle their balls off and have been pressuring Brazil the whole first half. I hope they tie this up.



Posted by: aceshigh

england to win it vs germany ,,,,,,,ozzies were robbed fucking slimey iti,s



Posted by: IainDaniel

2-0 Brazil agree the speed and excitement of Ghana is what is needed in soccer.

Should have been an offside.



Posted by: goob

Aint looking great for ghana, but you got to love their spirit and skill. It would be amazing if they hit 3 injury time goals to knock brazil out....and follow it up by taking the cup.... A worse Greece team won it in Euro 2004 so anythings posible.

As for England, The alien - "mars attacks" sven is a shit coach and the argies outclass them in pretty much all departments. I mean Roonys class, but hes second fiddle to the genius of Messi, Tevez et all..... I'll be really surprised if they make the final unless they get thier shit together fast. Remeber Portugal outplayed them in Euro 2004 quarters to win 3-2...



Posted by: MyK

portugal have lost 3 or 4 of their starters so it should be an easy win for them. also, England should be able to pull the team together, and their gonna need to to face germany or argentina.

Ghana is fucked, that second goal was offside, but ghanna need to score one to make an argument about it.

I agree the Aussies were cheated. PK inthe last 20 seconds of the game was a gift to the Italians. now we have to sit through another bore of a game by the Italians!!



Posted by: goob

Damn shame for Ghana, but then again an off form Brazil is still better than almost every other team on form. Would'nt be so sure about portugal, Deco will be a big miss, but simoa, petit, figo & fit again christiano ronaldo are going to be a handful, especially for a occasionaly ropey ferdinand and ashley cole. Having said that, England are strong in defence and the midfield should be able to control a game (if poof boy beckham can get his ass in gear). Whatever happens, its going to be a tight bastard of a game, defo cracking a beer or two for that........



Posted by: IainDaniel

Penalty Kick Spain. Little bit of a dive but contact was made.

1-0



Posted by: Nick+

France's team is almost on crutches, I suspect the Spanish will win.



Posted by: IainDaniel

1-1 nice goal



Posted by: goob

2nd half started.............opened eyes......93rd minute 3-1 France........damn these 4am starts for work.....looks like I missed a cracker.



Posted by: JOHNYORK

i jsut seen the goal by rinaldo sick



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Posted by: ReproMan

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I'd actually watch that....



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Red Card!



Posted by: IainDaniel

Big Game starting in 10 minutes

Argentina vs Germany

Interesting to see how the home crowd comes into play



Posted by: goob

Yeah, theyve raised the German game in all their previous matches.
Having said that, they are up against possibly the best team in the tournament. 30 mins gone and evens so far. The crowd don't seem to like Argentinas controlled style.



Posted by: goob

Ayala leaps...........1-0. crowd is silent temporarily.

Now weve got a game.......



Posted by: BritChick

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Originally Posted by goob
England - Pretty boy tossers
Hey now... watch your mouth!

Of course this is who I would like to see win but so far they are playing pretty shittily and I wouldn't put my money on them.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Going to extra time



Posted by: IainDaniel

Big save on a shitty shot in PK's by the German goal tender



Posted by: IainDaniel

Don't cry for me Argentina!!!!

Bye Bye



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Italy is gonna win it all.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Shut it.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Why



Posted by: IainDaniel

Hate Italian soccer. Much like most of the world



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Hate Italian soccer. Much like most of the world
1-0...Vaffunculo



Posted by: IainDaniel

Yep I saw



Posted by: IainDaniel

Germany vs Italy will be a good match



Posted by: goob

kudos to germany......guess weve only got Brazil left to play the beautiful game the way its meant to be.
The IyTys are 1 - 0 up on the Ukraine......striking a blow for negative football as we know it.......



Posted by: IainDaniel

Rooney what a fucking idiot..... Taking a red card.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Some more PK's?!?!?!?!

England has played well with a man down



Posted by: IainDaniel

ANother pathetic display of PK's

Portugal advances 3-1 on PK's



Posted by: MyK

the ref was obviously paid! BULLSHIT!



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Great goalkeeping by Ricardo.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by MyK
the ref was obviously paid! BULLSHIT!
Yeah like that hand ball in the penalty area.


Go Germany



Posted by: Nick+

Shame about these penalty kick outs, mind you I don't mind Portugal winning one bit.....



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Yeah like that hand ball in the penalty area.


Go Germany
I wanna see some stats on the game, I bet it was like 15 free kicks to portugal and 3 to England! It was so gay to watch! England would defend, turn the ball over, go down the field, whistle would blow and the ref would hand the ball over to portugal, the repeat! retarded!



Posted by: Nick+

Brazil 0 France 1 and no penalty shit involved. Good.



Posted by: HANK-VISSER

germany will probably winn...



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Hard to call at this point... All 4 teams are playin great. Portugal is gettin key players back for next match. A Germany win would be great for the home fans. Rootin for Italy.



Posted by: goob

ricardo......penalty specialist, absolutely supberb saves.
on the balanec, england deserved it, given that they played with ten men for a long time.
Rooney.....what a fat headed little petulent dickhead, great player but what a wanker.
After tonights performance... France to win.



Posted by: IainDaniel

I would like to see France and Germany in the Final.

Portugal looked like shit in the game today.

Fuck Portugal and Italy



Posted by: HANK-VISSER

it is for every country very hard to beat italy because of there great defensiveplay end great counterattacks....



Posted by: goob

Home support for Germany will be like an extra man, and Ballak is class.
Italy have the best defence, but don't look as good as any of the other teams goinf forward, but tactically are the most diciplined. I think France have enough class to win, if they can keep it together, and Henry is on another planet up front. Hard to call.......think i'm going with France's geriatric genius Zidane......



Posted by: IainDaniel

Fucking Italy....



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Fucking Italy....
their games are soooo boring!



Posted by: Goodfella9783

My boys come through



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
My boys come through
grossos goal was excellent!



Posted by: goob

So was Del Pieros. What an evil way to get knocked out for germany.
Kudos to Italy, some great play. Tonights game should be a cracker, two attacking sides aiming for a final place....the scene is set....



Posted by: IainDaniel

So help me god if it is a Portugal Italy Final I will be livid. Portugal looked like shit against England, they didn't look like they should have survived the round robin.



Posted by: IainDaniel

1-0 France on a Penalty. Weak call by the ref



Posted by: goob

France were under pressure right til the end. Probably deserved it on the balance.

Almost too difficult to call the final, Italy look really solid and commited, france have henry and zidane for inspiration. Can't decide....

Just hope its a good game.



Posted by: Nick+

Urrgh! Now there are people displaying French flags in their gardens.......(It's getting as bad as America)



Posted by: Goodfella9783

As I was saying
Italy takes it.



Posted by: bigss75

People call use Americans thugs and whatnot but one of the best soccer players ever from France goes in proceeds to try and put his head through a guys sternum isnt thuggery?



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by bigss75
People call use Americans thugs and whatnot but one of the best soccer players ever from France goes in proceeds to try and put his head through a guys sternum isnt thuggery?
Yeah that was pretty dirty. I wonder what the Italian said to him, cause you could see Zidane lose it all the sudden like somethin about his family was mentioned. He usually keeps his cool.



Posted by: MyK

good for italy! although I feel france outplayed them!



Posted by: shiznit2169

Just goes to show you how bad soccer is. It's so boring and the final match results in a penalty kick with 1 guy from france hitting the goal post. Both goalies weren't even CLOSE to the ball. The penalty kick line is way too close.

Soccer is ridiculous, consisting a bunch of pussies who fall down and fake being hurt and the only way they win is a penalty kick, a lucky corner kick, or some lucky header/kick up front. 95% of the game is just passing back and forth, running, and complaining.



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by shiznit2169
Just goes to show you how bad soccer is. It's so boring and the final match results in a penalty kick with 1 guy from france hitting the goal post. Both goalies weren't even CLOSE to the ball. The penalty kick line is way too close.

Soccer is ridiculous, consisting a bunch of pussies who fall down and fake being hurt and the only way they win is a penalty kick, a lucky corner kick, or some lucky header/kick up front. 95% of the game is just passing back and forth, running, and complaining.
It’s quite clear that you lack the intellect and patience to appreciate the strategic intricacies of the game. The Italians are notorious for their “boring” games however, this match was very entertaining. Like 99% of your posts you have no idea what you are talking about! Beat it nerd!



Posted by: shiznit2169

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Originally Posted by MyK
It’s quite clear that you lack the intellect and patience to appreciate the strategic intricacies of the game. The Italians are notorious for their “boring” games however, this match was very entertaining. Like 99% of your posts you have no idea what you are talking about! Beat it nerd!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TTMDyJeq...psons%20soccer

That's exactly how every soccer game is. Boring. Go play a real sport.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by shiznit2169
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TTMDyJeq...psons%20soccer

That's exactly how every soccer game is. Boring. Go play a real sport.
WOW. From the Simpsons man? They make fun of every sport.



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by shiznit2169
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6TTMDyJeq...psons%20soccer

That's exactly how every soccer game is. Boring. Go play a real sport.
whats a real sport????

its also impressive that you have watched every soccer game ever!



Posted by: shiznit2169

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Originally Posted by MyK
whats a real sport????

its also impressive that you have watched every soccer game ever!
I've watched quite a few games since pool play (about 4-5 games) and they are all the same. Just running, passing back and forth, crying, bitching, red flags, yellow flags, fake injuries, cheap penalty shots, men kissing and hugging each other after winning, lucky goals, and the list goes on.

NFL. Enough said.



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by shiznit2169
I've watched quite a few games since pool play (about 4-5 games) and they are all the same. Just running, passing back and forth, crying, bitching, red flags, yellow flags, fake injuries, cheap penalty shots, men kissing and hugging each other after winning, lucky goals, and the list goes on.

NFL. Enough said.
there you go again. you simply see surface level behaviours, like I previously said "It’s quite clear that you lack the intellect and patience to appreciate the strategic intricacies of the game". Just because you dont understand something, that doesn't make it "boring", it simply provides evidence that you your self are a "boring" individual and lack respect and the ability to understand a sport that has develped over centuries.

so what makes the NFL so real?????



Posted by: shiznit2169

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Originally Posted by MyK
there you go again. you simply see surface level behaviours, like I previously said "It’s quite clear that you lack the intellect and patience to appreciate the strategic intricacies of the game". Just because you dont understand something, that doesn't make it "boring", it simply provides evidence that you your self are a "boring" individual and lack respect and the ability to understand a sport that has develped over centuries.

so what makes the NFL so real?????
It's called entertainment. Football is more exciting and i shouldn't have to explain to you why. Soccer is just sooo boring. I have never seen a game where it was 5-4 or 3-3. I understand it's a game of "strategic intricacies" but it's still boring nontheless.



Posted by: Vieope

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Originally Posted by shiznit2169
It's called entertainment. Football is more exciting and i shouldn't have to explain to you why. Soccer is just sooo boring.
At least people dont play soccer with helmets and spandex pants.




Posted by: IainDaniel

Stupid Italians.....Driving around flying there flags and Honking there Horns.



Posted by: I Are Baboon

OK, now can we go back to not caring about soccer? Thanks.





Posted by: Pepper

OK, having just purchased a new 61 inch HDTV, I was willng to watch ANY sports as long as it was in HD. So, I watched some soccer even though I really hate the sport. Not that the world cares what Americans think of the sport, but here are my thoughts:
  1. The offsides rule is absurd. There is no logical reason why that 2nd goal yesterday should have been waived off. They gotta change that rule. It is counter-intuitive to let the defense decide where the offensive player can stand. I have asked numerous soccer-heads and have not received a solid answer as to why that rule is the way it is.
  2. Scoring is too low. Way too many 1-1 or 0-0 OT games. This is why I call it communist kickball - lots of effort for very litte reward, just like communisim. I am not saying they need 7-6 games, but how about 3-2? or even 2-1?
  3. The officiating is horrible. The fact that scoring is so low makes the magnifies this.
  4. Men do not flop around and pretend to be hurt like that. Yes, basketball players flop to get a charge call, etc, but nothing like these soccer players.
All in all, my opinion of soccer went up a little, but I don't see why it is so popular. It does seem to have the excitment of chess and the strategy of bingo.



Posted by: shiznit2169

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Originally Posted by Vieope
At least people dont play soccer with helmets and spandex pants.
Uhh ... because soccer doesn't require full contact and big hits? Have you ever seen a football game?



Posted by: IainDaniel

There were a few decent hits yesterday.

Rugby is full contact yet you don't see them wearing equipment?



Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
There were a few decent hits yesterday.

Rugby is full contact yet you don't see them wearing equipment?
The impact of Rugby is not even close to that of the NFL. In Rugby you're talking 180 lb men running side by side ocasionally taking a big hit. In the NFL you're talking minimum 220 lb men that are running full steam knocking eachothers blocks off every play. There is absolutely no comparison to the sheer size, speed and strentgth of the athletes in the two sports. Lets see Ray Lewis go head to head with a rugby player, and then we'll see who is tougher.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Obviously your understanding of Rugby is lacking.

Rugby players size and speed is every bit comparable to the NFL. Go look at any top tier team and you will see that most backs are 200lbs + while the Forwards are 240lbs+

Yes lets see Ray lewis go head to head minus the equipment that allows him to have no fear for his actions.



Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Obviously your understanding of Rugby is lacking.

Rugby players size and speed is every bit comparable to the NFL. Go look at any top tier team and you will see that most backs are 200lbs + while the Forwards are 240lbs+

Yes lets see Ray lewis go head to head minus the equipment that allows him to have no fear for his actions.
Ok, the NFL thrives on head to head hits. 2 players running at full speed only to meet head to head. How long would their careers last without the pads and the helmets? Not very long. The impact of the hits are so severe in the NFL guys are still knocked out cold with all that gear. There is not one player in any rugby league that can run with the fastest WR's and RB's in the NFL. Not one. Most backs are 200+ which means some are less? There might be 20 players in all of the NFL (minus place kickers) that are under 200 lbs. I know former football players that have long and healthy lives. I also workout with two former rugby players that look like they got beat across the face with a bat. Every time we talk about rugby they wish they had picked a different sport because they have nothing left in their bodies. How long does the average rugby career last? Is it worth it in the long run to keep your "pride" in tact by not wearing pads? NFL players don't think so, and neither do the fans. I'd rather be able to follow a player through his 16 year career than hear him say, "oy, oy, oy!! I'm tougher than an NFL Player cuz I don't wear pads." While yelling all of that through his deviated septum and his wired shut jaw...



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Stupid Italians.....Driving around flying there flags and Honking there Horns.

uhhh...yeah?



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC
Ok, the NFL thrives on head to head hits. 2 players running at full speed only to meet head to head. How long would their careers last without the pads and the helmets? Not very long. The impact of the hits are so severe in the NFL guys are still knocked out cold with all that gear. There is not one player in any rugby league that can run with the fastest WR's and RB's in the NFL. Not one. Most backs are 200+ which means some are less? There might be 20 players in all of the NFL (minus place kickers) that are under 200 lbs. I know former football players that have long and healthy lives. I also workout with two former rugby players that look like they got beat across the face with a bat. Every time we talk about rugby they wish they had picked a different sport because they have nothing left in their bodies. How long does the average rugby career last? Is it worth it in the long run to keep your "pride" in tact by not wearing pads? NFL players don't think so, and neither do the fans. I'd rather be able to follow a player through his 16 year career than hear him say, "oy, oy, oy!! I'm tougher than an NFL Player cuz I don't wear pads." While yelling all of that through his deviated septum and his wired shut jaw...
This getting off topic to where my original argument was going. Defining a sport by contact is rediculous and that was the point I was trying to make. Shiznit was saying promoting football over soccer cause there is contact, and that being the reason they wear equipment.

That is completely ludicrous. They are two completely different sports. To try and make comparisons on how each are played against on another is retarded.



Anyway I know you are an avid American Football supporter, but at least look up information, before you spew out stuff about players in the league.

http://archive.sportingnews.com/nfl/..._weight-0.html

And there would be no reason to believe that the Backs in any of these Rugby leagues couldn't keep up with the NFL players. They are doing the same thing. Being paid to run fast with the ball.

You are contradicting yourself about the amount of contact in Rugby now.

Again Cultural differences have an impact on which sport these people play.



Posted by: IainDaniel

BTW I would watch the NFL anyday over Most Rugby and Soccer games. But I am not completely ignorant to the rest of the sports around the world. Let alone the biggest sport in the world



Posted by: Goodfella9783

Oh man I don't even think I'd watch that if players like Ray Lewis, Jevon Kearse, Joey Porter, Takeo Spikes, ect. played rugby. The hits would be just too sickening. Guys would be gettin their necks broken left and right. I don't know much about rugby, but if there were head to head tackles with minimal equipment, NFL players would not be taking the worst part of those hits. Unless it was the kickers.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
uhhh...yeah?


I don't know what it is like where you live. But it goes crazy here with World Cup fever. Little Italy in Toronto was mobbed yesterday.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel


I don't know what it is like where you live. But it goes crazy here with World Cup fever. Little Italy in Toronto was mobbed yesterday.
Boston. I'm sure you saw them going back and forth to City Hall yesterday during the Cup.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Oh man I don't even think I'd watch that if players like Ray Lewis, Jevon Kearse, Joey Porter, Takeo Spikes, ect. played rugby. The hits would be just too sickening. Guys would be gettin their necks broken left and right. I don't know much about rugby, but if there were head to head tackles with minimal equipment, NFL players would not be taking the worst part of those hits. Unless it was the kickers.
Again you know very little about Rugby to understand. And I highly doubt these players would be laying the same type of hits if they weren't equiped to do it.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Again you know very little about Rugby to understand. And I highly doubt these players would be laying the same type of hits if they weren't equiped to do it.
Yeah that's why I said I don't know much about rugby. I was saying if there was head on impact like in the NFL, from what I've seen (just from what I've seen, my opinion, OK) NFL players are more physically gifted and equipped to withstand punishment in harsh physical contact. I'm sure if I watched more rugby I'd change my mind...but from what I've seen.



Posted by: IainDaniel

No reason to get snippy. I am just restating, that understanding of both sports would help understand the hits.

Phyiscally gifted, lets be realistic here. These are all athletes at the top of there game. To define one as more phyiscally gifted is pointless. They are all upper echelon players.



Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel


I don't know what it is like where you live. But it goes crazy here with World Cup fever. Little Italy in Toronto was mobbed yesterday.
Where I live, I am surprised the WC final wasn't pre-empted by Andy Griffith re-runs.



Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
No reason to get snippy. I am just restating, that understanding of both sports would help understand the hits.

Phyiscally gifted, lets be realistic here. These are all athletes at the top of there game. To define one as more phyiscally gifted is pointless. They are all upper echelon players.
Nah I wasn't being snippy at all I apologize if it came off like that. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was just my opinion, since my experience in watching rugby is very limited. I didn't want to make it sound like I was stating it as a fact.



Posted by: ReproMan

I'm not contradicting myself about the ammount of contact in rugby. If Ronnie Lott hit a WR comming over the middle for a pass without pads, they would both be dead. Period. Rugby players think they are tougher than NFL players because they don't wear pads, but like I said before the actual contact is minimal compared to the NFL. They get broken noses, shattrered jaws, split open skulls. NFL players end up in wheelchairs from hits, not at the plastic surgeons.

"And I highly doubt these players would be laying the same type of hits if they weren't equiped to do it."

Which is my exact point. NFL players hit harder.



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by Pepper
OK, having just purchased a new 61 inch HDTV, I was willng to watch ANY sports as long as it was in HD. So, I watched some soccer even though I really hate the sport. Not that the world cares what Americans think of the sport, but here are my thoughts:
  1. The offsides rule is absurd. There is no logical reason why that 2nd goal yesterday should have been waived off. They gotta change that rule. It is counter-intuitive to let the defense decide where the offensive player can stand. I have asked numerous soccer-heads and have not received a solid answer as to why that rule is the way it is.

    the offside rule is for combating "goal scrounging", "cherry picking", "goal hanging" or (in Canada) "goal sucking", where attacking players hang around near the opposing goal waiting for the ball to get kicked upfield. The offside rule prevents players from scoring these cheap goals and makes sure that goals are earned. with the offside rule, there are more goals scored through legitimate defence-splitting passes.

  2. Scoring is too low. Way too many 1-1 or 0-0 OT games. This is why I call it communist kickball - lots of effort for very litte reward, just like communisim. I am not saying they need 7-6 games, but how about 3-2? or even 2-1?

    With the world becoming more global, most industires are becoming multinational. the same can be said for soccer. these days thw top players from all countries play and coach in all other countries. this means that the world as a whole has become better at soccer and the quality of the top players is marginal between the top nations. It can be argued that any one of the say top 8 teams could of won the cup this year, and that no team was a stand out favourite. because all of the teams are so good, they did have (I think) a record number of draws this year. if you look at the scores from any one countries league games you will see alot of games were the teams weren't so balanced and had scores like 3-0 4-1 5-2 etc etc
  3. The officiating is horrible. The fact that scoring is so low makes the magnifies this.

    I agree 100% I think half the refs are paid off! I also think they should introduce the thing were the ref gets to review the play in a monitor!
  4. Men do not flop around and pretend to be hurt like that. Yes, basketball players flop to get a charge call, etc, but nothing like these soccer players.

    the Italians introduced this, it is gay and annoying, and has somehow become institutionalized. the governing body should of seen this shit coming and taken preventative measures!
All in all, my opinion of soccer went up a little, but I don't see why it is so popular. It does seem to have the excitment of chess and the strategy of bingo.




Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
There are 4 starters on that list.

Edit: On the first page there are 4 starters.



Posted by: MyK

I have played high school rugby in England, and High School football in Canada. you have to be 10x as physically fit to play Rugby because of the non stop game play. with football you need explosive power or cat like reflexes. they are different animals.


also, I dont think that making up random facts is helpful here!



Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by MyK

also, I dont think that making up random facts is helpful here!
72.6% of statistics are made up right on spot.



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by Pepper
72.6% of statistics are made up right on spot.
yes but thats and American statistic. Canadian statistics are way tougher!



Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by MyK
High School football in Canada.
Did they play with a Nerf?



Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by MyK
you have to be 10x as physically fit to play rugby

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Originally Posted by MyK
also, I dont think that making up random facts is helpful here!
So where did you do your balls on research?



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by Pepper
Did they play with a Nerf?
a dead beaver!



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC
So where did you do your balls on research?
my research is 100% correct!



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by MyK
my research is 100% correct!
True Story!



Posted by: Goodfella9783

So pretty much conditioning for rugby and physical strength for football?



Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by MyK
my research is 100% correct!
60% of the time, eh?



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
So pretty much conditioning for rugby and physical strength for football?
Not just conditioning. The Scrums are nothing but raw power.



Posted by: IainDaniel

Kind of Ironic that they were trying to promote against Racism the whole tournament. Which is a big problem in European Soccer.

Yet it is being Reported that Zidane was called a Dirty Terrorist just seconds before he head-butted the Italian Player.



Posted by: MyK

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Kind of Ironic that they were trying to promote against Racism the whole tournament. Which is a big problem in European Soccer.

Yet it is being Reported that Zidane was called a Dirty Terrorist just seconds before he head-butted the Italian Player.
why would Zidane be called a terrorist???



Posted by: fantasma62

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Originally Posted by MyK
why would Zidane be called a terrorist???
Beats me, but if I am a professional soccer player that is playing in the largest stage in the world. I would simply call him names too, like Beanstalk, or Dumbo or something and not lose my head....oh wait, he didn't really lose his head since he used it well...
Still Zidane is a hot head and has been known to lose his temper. Zambrotta or whoever it was that got thrown back 12 feet by the head of Zidane (little acting maybe?) knew exactly what buttons to touch.
I also hear that Zidane's sister was called a prostitute......Bad for Zidane, but not a big thing regarding the game. Didn't change the outcome in my opinion....



Posted by: pengers84

A little acting hahahaha. Who gets headbutted in the chest and goes down like that. You would more likely hurt your head than their chest. Definately should have been sent off though, pretty silly thing to do in the world cup final and his last game for France.



Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by MyK
why would Zidane be called a terrorist???
His Family is originally from Algeria. A country also known for Terrorist ties.



Posted by: rogelio

NFL is only with strong ....no tactis, no talent ....

Do you know who is Ronaldinho, Messi, Ballack ....



Posted by: rogelio

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Uhh ... because soccer doesn't require full contact and big hits? Have you ever seen a football game?
You don´t like soccer(this is the real futbol) ...because USA doesn't exist ....




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