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Posted by: Rocco32

Someone is offering me some vials of test and I'm seriously considering it. I'll be taking Clen soon and probably T3 if I do Test. Any suggestions for cycle dosing and all?

Posted by: Pirate!

Which ester of test?

Posted by: Rocco32

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Originally Posted by Pirate!

Which ester of test?

The good one

I really don't know. I won't see him again for about 2 weeks but I'll ask him then. He knew I'd been asking questions and said he'd pick up extra next time and share.

Posted by: TJ Cline

1-10 500MG TEST E OR CYP ( 250MG 2X A WEEK)
1-8 T-3
T-3 start at 25mcg ( stay at for 2-3 days) then 50mcg ( stay at for 2-3 days) then 75mcg until you taper off ( you can stay at 50mcg or go up to 100mcg...your choiice...but less is better the first time around IMO). Taper off T-3 slowly...ie. drop to 50mcg for 4 days then 25mcg 4 days then 12.5 3-4 days..I would use T-3 for 8 weeks only.

I have no idea how to use clen..

Posted by: Pirate!

What are your goals? 100 mcg T3 is excessive unless you are looking for rapid fat loss and no muscle gain, IMO.

Posted by: Ironhorse

NO t-3 until post cycle. Test alone and hard workouts are going to burn more fat by themselves. t-3 should only be used for pre contest. You would be taking a HUGE risk with your thyroid gland if you did that much t-3 for even a short 12 week cycle. Much better to diamond up from half a gram of test to a gram then back down to half a gram. Make damn sure you have arimadex on hand to keep the test from aromatizing into estrogen, and some nolvadex for itchy nips. t-3 will heat, or raise your body temp a degree or two so you will feel like you have the flue when you lift, by the same token, if you just do the test you'll typically find just the opposite. More stamina, better pumps, more gains. Use your diet to modulate bf. Leave your thyroid alone till you're ready to compete.

Posted by: ag-guys

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse

NO t-3 until post cycle. Test alone and hard workouts are going to burn more fat by themselves. t-3 should only be used for pre contest. You would be taking a HUGE risk with your thyroid gland if you did that much t-3 for even a short 12 week cycle. Much better to diamond up from half a gram of test to a gram then back down to half a gram. Make damn sure you have arimadex on hand to keep the test from aromatizing into estrogen, and some nolvadex for itchy nips. t-3 will heat, or raise your body temp a degree or two so you will feel like you have the flue when you lift, by the same token, if you just do the test you'll typically find just the opposite. More stamina, better pumps, more gains. Use your diet to modulate bf. Leave your thyroid alone till you're ready to compete.

You can use T3 during the cycle and even when not on a cycle. When combined with clenbuterol, an anti-catabolic, it becomes a great stack.

Abuse of anything, including steroids can cause health problems. Such, you need to research and use proper dosages.

AG-Guys
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Posted by: Pirate!

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse

NO t-3 until post cycle.

Bad recommendation, IMO.

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse

NO t-3 until post cycle. Test alone and hard workouts are going to burn more fat by themselves. t-3 should only be used for pre contest. You would be taking a HUGE risk with your thyroid gland if you did that much t-3 for even a short 12 week cycle. Much better to diamond up from half a gram of test to a gram then back down to half a gram. Make damn sure you have arimadex on hand to keep the test from aromatizing into estrogen, and some nolvadex for itchy nips. t-3 will heat, or raise your body temp a degree or two so you will feel like you have the flue when you lift, by the same token, if you just do the test you'll typically find just the opposite. More stamina, better pumps, more gains. Use your diet to modulate bf. Leave your thyroid alone till you're ready to compete.

Posted by: BigPapaPump68

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Originally Posted by Pirate!

Bad recommendation, IMO.

I agree, in pct you should not worry about fat loss.

Posted by: Rocco32

Thanks everyone except Ironhorse!! I'm so ignorant of all of this yet I know that's bad advice.

Is it possible to get test in tabs?

Posted by: Tough Old Man

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Originally Posted by Ironhorse

There's nothing in this world that says Test is going to help you burn fat. Where did you come up with that. If that was true everyone cycling would be in single digits when it comes to B/F. As for the T-3 you should run it during your cycle. Your not going to find any evidence showing that T-3 is bad on thyroid functions even if run long peroids of time. In matter of fact there now stating that the Thyroid will return back to its normal function after a short peroid of being off T-3.

Posted by: kicka19

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Originally Posted by Rocco32

Thanks everyone except Ironhorse!! I'm so ignorant of all of this yet I know that's bad advice.

Is it possible to get test in tabs?

nope

Posted by: BigPapaPump68

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Originally Posted by Rocco32

Thanks everyone except Ironhorse!! I'm so ignorant of all of this yet I know that's bad advice.

Is it possible to get test in tabs?

Yes, its called andriol. testosterone undecanoate

Posted by: TJ Cline

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Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

Yes, its called andriol. testosterone undecanoate

But it sucks as a growth/steroid drug so don't use it.

Posted by: topolo

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Originally Posted by Pirate!

Bad recommendation, IMO.

I agree

Posted by: Mudge

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Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68

Yes, its called andriol. testosterone undecanoate

French product I believe, and considered pretty hard on the liver. There are also oral suspension tabs made by IP. Testosterone, GH, and most other items are shredded by the liver and maybe 1-3% of it will get into the blood. This is why orals exist, they are made to survive through the liver at a much larger dose.

Anyhow, thyroid can be supressed while on gear, so some run T3 25-50mcg on cycle as it is. As for pyramidding gear doses (Ironhorse's post), that is 1980s practice. 100mcg of T3 is a lot, I never ran over 60mcg and it worked pretty well at that dose.

Testosterone may not directly burn fat (I dont memorize those kinds of studies), but if you increase your anabolism you are going to be utilizing more of your energy for muscle building, making an indirect relationship. I lean out a little on cycle, and I chub up a bit if I eat the same, off cycle. Not a huge difference, but its there. With water loss after cycle, you may not notice as much depending on how effectively you pay attention to different regions of your body. I will pick up definition in the arms for example off cycle, and lose some in the waist. There is at least one study showing anavar "burning fat."

Posted by: ZECH

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

But it sucks as a growth/steroid drug so don't use it.

Why? All that is different is the ester that is attached to it.
I used an oral test with an undecanoate ester and it was awesome.

Posted by: musclepump

Try Test Suspension if you want to start with small needles

Posted by: Mudge

Micronized suspension will work through a 23/25g, but most wont go through anything smaller than 20 or 21g, which is larger not smaller.

'Tiny shards of glass' is a common description with Jurox, as an example. Just like winny, it clogs easily with most brands.

Posted by: Trouble

Nonsolvated test seems...barbaric, and just begs for localized inflammation problems.

Undecanoate, holy shit. Binding site steric hinderance hell once its cleved from test in the liver! Jesu! Lots nuclear receptors being hit, including the bad ass ones...vitamin A and D, plus the main liver controllers for cholesterol LXR and bile, FXR. Dumb move.

-------explanation of the basis of fat burning capacity of test --------------

Now, its androgen action on LXR that affects liver lipids, and they in turn, have a marked impact, first on adipocyte (fat cell) fatty acid release and utlization, and then, in an even more important action, they effect GLUT4 gene expression, and that dominates glucose metabolism and feeds forward to fatty acid storage in fat cells or burning in mitochondria.

And thus, we have androgens playing a role in LXR initiated anabolic response. Beyond that elegant molecular dance among the receptors, we also have androgen action on LXR controlling TR, thryoid hormone regulation *upregulation again).

So we have: positive changes in fat storage, fat mobilization, glucose metabolism, insulin mobllization of glucose into cells, thyroid hormone improvements.

Better living through (NR) chemistry. I thought it worthwhile annotating this information. You don't see the science discussed much. Pity, its very cool stuff. You have to understand... this action IS THE REASON that muscle physiology dominates all of homeostasis. Its why I'm here, talking about it.

Its the coolest fucking fact to emerge from modern biomedical science, since Watson and Crick first published their theory of the double helix, in 1953.

Posted by: musclepump

Try Illusion Labs Test Susp... 27g

Posted by: JerseyDevil

Jesus, let's confuse the lad.

Test enanthate or test cypionate, 500 mg per week (two injections per week of 250 mg). Oral test is super hard on the liver, and Rocco, considering your very high liver values when using M1t, stay away from orals.

Injections are child's play. You worked in the emergency room for God's sake. You can take a simple injection.....

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