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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio
there are none, PH's are all illegal.
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Originally Posted by TaylorsNutrition
Correct, but I will say Halodrol..................
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Originally Posted by huesoloco
Hmm, I was under the impression it was.
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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio
Pro-hormones were banned, they were compounds that were one conversion away from being active hormones. Everything on the market today is an anabolic steroid, i.e. no conversion necessary.
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Originally Posted by sawastea
Along those lines, they are also illegal to have in your possesion. I believe they fall under the same restrictions as scheduled 3 substances.
Robert, this is an accurate statement, correct? |
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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio
not a PH.
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Originally Posted by TaylorsNutrition
How about this? Halodrol-Anabolic Precursor
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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
i think youre missing the point, its actually an anabolic steroid, not a precursor
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Originally Posted by gopro
Although Halodrol will have some efficacy without conversion, it still need to convert to 4-chlorodehydromethyltestosterone in the body before it becomes truly effective. In that sense, it is still prohormone-like. Kind of the same way that 4-Androstenediol was.
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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio
you may be correct Eric, but I have no idea what these compounds are:
[6, 17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol] [3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene] [3’,5,7-trihydroxy-4’-methoxyflavone] [3,2-c pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol] how do you know? |
HOW DOES HE KNOW MY NAME?!
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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio
you may be correct Eric, but I have no idea what these compounds are:
[6, 17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol] [3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene] [3’,5,7-trihydroxy-4’-methoxyflavone] [3,2-c pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol] how do you know? |
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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
you scared me, i was like.
HOW DOES HE KNOW MY NAME?! |
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
Eric, we know who you are, we know what you are, we know where you go...and we will not stop until you are...terminated....
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
so to ask the original question; what is a good anabolic substance?
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Originally Posted by gopro
Bring it on...but bring it hard cause if you don't kill me quick, you ain't gonna survive!!!
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Originally Posted by gopro
Of what is still out, I feel the best, like mentioned, is still Halodrol by Gaspari. For non-hormonal anabolic activity, I highly recommend ALRI Jungle Warfare.
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
youre giving me the finger??? I'm fllabbergasted!!!!
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
does haladrol need to be coupled with any others supps like novedex xt or is that a luxury stack?
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Originally Posted by gopro
Halodrol does not need to be "coupled" with anything, however, post cycle therapy WOULD BE necessary (test booster, liver care).
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Originally Posted by gopro
Bring it on...but bring it hard cause if you don't kill me quick, you ain't gonna survive!!!
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was also paid by them to analyze halodrol and said it contained both compounds.
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Originally Posted by DylanNC
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
I kind of figured that...any favorites? Or just saw palmetto and anabolic matrix?
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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
Yes, attack THAT Eric first... Ill have time to flee
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Originally Posted by gopro
As for Anabolic Matrix, I have never used it, but am sure it is a fine product.
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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio
I asked you if you wanted to try it (about a year ago) and you said no.
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You want to send me a couple of bottles now? I'll try them.
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Originally Posted by gopro
Well Robert, that is not EXACTLY what I said, but ok
You want to send me a couple of bottles now? I'll try them. |
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Originally Posted by huesoloco
My favorite was 1-AD, however it is illegal now. So I am wondering what the best stuff is now adays.
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
I belong to the OCB. If you look at the drug ban, you'll see a shitload of all the good stuff thats been banned or in the process of being banned as of 12/2006. What the hell is left thats any good?!
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
and....I've done the research necessary to come to the conclusion that some AAS are better if not as harmful as using some of the "designer steroids", plus they friggin work!
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
I've competed in both inbf and ocb. Ocb is bit more relaxed on whats "legit", while inbf is more natural. I dont belong to the ocb site anymore because if you ask a question that might be considered taboo (such as using grey market stuff) they get all holier than thou. I am all for natural bbing, but come on, you know as well as i do that some guys are NOT natural and they claim the are.
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
I agree with what you said, GP; However, my question is what is going to make me grow as say haladrol would and not get me kicked out of the mentioned federations? If I have to join another federation just to use a substance like the above mentioned, why not use AAS and know that you will in fact grow?
Believe me, I want to stay natural, and I want to be freaky. I dont want to look like ronnie or ruhl. I think they are terrible representations of this great sport. But I dont want to look like the average typical joe. I havent looked like that in nearly 3 years. I enojy the way I look now. All I'm looking for is something that will keep me natural but make me bigger. My only supps at the current moment are CEE, whey and tons of food taken at certain times of the day (9 meals to be exact). Food thus far has really been the chief reason why I have grown so much. I am nearly looking for an extra boost. Any ideas? I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake! |
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!
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Originally Posted by gopro
Well, there is a reason why there is nothing that is going to make you grow like Halodrol, for example, and that is because most PH's are actually real steroids, and nothing ovet the counter is going to match their potency.
Right now I am personally using VPX NO Shotgun, ALRI Jungle Warfare, ALRI Restore... |
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
point taken. I am going to try this stack. Thanks for the 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by gopro
Do NOT combine Ready 4 War with NO Shotgun..use one or the other...although I feel that as a true muscle builder, NO Shotgun is FAR superior.
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Originally Posted by gopro
Honestly, NO Shotgun is one of the most effective products that I have used in a very long time....that and Regeneration-X by ALRI (post workout).
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Originally Posted by Focus
How many servings do you use? And at what time do you take them(couldn't find that information online for some reason)?
For the results you claim, it's considerably inexpensive. I'd also love to give it a go. |
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
Read this on the label of NO Shotgun:
NO-SHOTGUN™ is the most advanced product of its kind…Bar none! VPX is so confident in the effectiveness of NO-SHOTGUN™ that we have a $100,000 offer on the table to ANY supplement company that can conclusively prove – in a double-blind University Study – that their product is better at producing lean muscle, generating greater ATP production for more explosive workouts and initiating NO induced, blood engorged pumps. |
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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
i wish I had a lab, cuz Id make that shit in a heartbeat.
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Originally Posted by Focus
How many servings do you use? And at what time do you take them(couldn't find that information online for some reason)?
For the results you claim, it's considerably inexpensive. I'd also love to give it a go. |
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
so its all a lot of sniff sniff bullshit?
but wait is there a santa claus? |
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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
i wouldnt say the product is bullshit, just the claim
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
AND SANTA?
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
I'm still going to try it. I like the ingredients. CEE has worked really well for me. I have yet to try the NO part of it so I am interested. What abouta stack to help me grow big and strong like the hulkster? I say my prayers, eat my vitymins and stay in skool!!!
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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait
No. He's bullshit too, just like that 100,000 dollars.
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
AND SANTA?
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Originally Posted by Kuzinbo
Tastes like ass
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Originally Posted by Kuzinbo
I have to agree with Go Pro... tons of supps over my lifting life, and NO Shotgun is pretty damn effective. Tastes like ass, but it works. I am on my third "jug" and it just kills NO Explode. I don't even consider them in the same class. After all these years even back when Vanidyl was making it big... nothing has popped my veins out like NO Explode. I have to say, I see myself in the mirror, and I am scarring myself..... and not just because I am an ugly mofo
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Originally Posted by Kuzinbo
Your face, but that is not what I was laughing about... I was laughing about this:
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuzinbo View Post Tastes like ass Good! It's just how I like it... |
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Originally Posted by Kuzinbo
Who doesn't... Why apologize, I found it funny that there are fellow "Off Roaders" posting here. "Taint" nothing wrong with a little tongue on her ass now and again. As long as she lets you stick her in it after you’re done. Ass, the dark meat delicacy.
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uhhhh...yeah.
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Originally Posted by Kuzinbo
Who doesn't... Why apologize, I found it funny that there are fellow "Off Roaders" posting here. "Taint" nothing wrong with a little tongue on her ass now and again. As long as she lets you stick her in it after you’re done. Ass, the dark meat delicacy.
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
Sir, while I realize I might look like an oversized bald insane clown posse look-alike, I hardly think that someone's taste for ass is anything BUT a laughing matter; Now apologize to this poor soul who happens to have an impartiality for the tang of ass.
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Originally Posted by Kuzinbo
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Originally Posted by juggernaut
fuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhck you...sir. with all due respect, course..ass to what this threrad was about? uhhhhh...
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Originally Posted by Kuzinbo
DARN, I forgot something.... Thank you for knowing your station. You are correct to be calling me Sir. Although, admittedly, I am curious about the cafe thing. Do you have any pictures of it? Besides the one, I found of course.
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Originally Posted by gopro
Well, there is a reason why there is nothing that is going to make you grow like Halodrol, for example, and that is because most PH's are actually real steroids, and nothing ovet the counter is going to match their potency.
Right now I am personally using VPX NO Shotgun, ALRI Jungle Warfare, ALRI Restore, and my usual high amounts of BCAA/glutamine/CEE (all through a product called BodyFX CSM), and my results have been pretty amazing. Pretty close to a good PH cycle. |
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Originally Posted by Brydges
I'm confused. From what I remember reading in my NO2 manual (it came with the product via mail, so what?) - or maybe I read it elsewhere, i.e., online - caffeine negates the effectiveness of an NO product. And yet I see products like NO-Explode with caffeine in them. What's the word?
I took NO-Explode and I had heart palpitations and jitters after one set of deadlifts, fifteen minutes into my workout. It was scary. And I think I only used one scoop. Thought it might have been the addition of the caffeine to the NO. I used NO2 for several years right after it was introduced and loved it, but at $100 per bottle, I couldn't justify it after a time. I never had any problems with this product. Anyway, some feedback on the caffeine/NO relationship would be appreciated, because as I noted at the outset, I thought combining them was a no-no. Thanks. <-> |
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Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68
N02 and epehdra is a no no
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