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Posted by: I Are Baboon

JHFC!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ing/index.html

Posted by: IainDaniel

Is it just me or does cycling seem to be one dirty fucking sport.

Well at least they catch them.

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Yeah, cycling is really bad as far as drug cheating goes.

This frikkin pisses me off. (landis doping, not the fact that he was outted)

Posted by: goob

Probably explains his amazing comeback on the alpine stage after being so far behind...was rooting for him too.....

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Were his levels out of the range or not? They never say, idiots.

Posted by: P-funk

where you surprised?

Posted by: IainDaniel

Where? no

Were? no as well

Posted by: P-funk

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Where? no

Were? no as well

Posted by: bigss75

His mom even said he didnt deserve the win if he was jucing, crazy mennonites

Posted by: Pepper

The guy on ABC radio just said that he "tested positive for testosterone."

Really?!? Wouldn't all of them?

I assume his testosteron was really high. How high does it have to be for them to conclude he was doping.

I don't understand how this works at all.

Posted by: BigPapaPump68

They said that his testoserone was high. It shouldnt surprise anyone really because every year that an american wins the "Tour De France" we are suspected of cheating some how. Look how Lance Armstrong was ridicouled for supposedly taking some kind of performance enhancing supplement and it wasnt true.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

The test in his blood was synthetic, apparently. From ESPNNews.

Posted by: P-funk

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The test in his blood was synthetic, apparently. From ESPNNews.

is it official yet or is it still under investigation?

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Sample A definitely tested positive for synthetic test, sample B results have not come back yet.

Posted by: min0 lee

Report: Landis' testosterone
is not natural

Some of the testosterone detected in Floyd Landis' urine sample after the 17th stage of the Tour de France reportedly was synthetic and not produced by his body as he has claimed.

The French lab testing the Tour champion's samples found that some of the hormone came from an external source, The New York Times reported on its Web site last night.
Last week, Landis blamed the positive test on what he called his body's naturally high levels of testosterone - a defense that loses credibility if the hormone was synthetic.
Landis formally asked the International Cycling Union to test his backup urine sample yesterday in an attempt to prove his innocence regarding doping allegations.
If the Tour de France winner's "B" sample is negative, Landis would be cleared of cheating. If it comes back positive, he would be stripped of his victory and banned from competition for two years.
Landis' attorney, Jose Maria Buxeda, said he wasn't sure when the second sample would be tested at a Paris doping laboratory, but it could be later this week. Landis is in the United States but plans to return to France to attend the analysis, the Spanish lawyer said.
Testosterone is a naturally occurring male hormone that is banned when it is found in a ratio greater than 4:1 to another hormone, epitestosterone. The Chicago Tribune yesterday confirmed European media reports that Landis' ratio after the July 20 stage was 11:1. (The positive test was disclosed Thursday.)
But Gary Wadler, the Long Island physician and World Anti-Doping Agency board member, said that doesn't make sense. "It's hard to come up with any plausible explanation why it may be that high," Wadler said. Oscar Pereiro of Spain, who finished second overall, would be declared the winner if Landis loses the Tour title. It would be the first time in the history of the Tour that the winner has been disqualified for doping.

Posted by: Pepper

It does not look good.

Two things make me wonder though:
1. This guy does not look like the type of guy who would dope
2. We are still dealing with the French.

Can anyone name someone who failed a drug test who was able to prove he didn't do it? I can't.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

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Originally Posted by Pepper

It does not look good.

Two things make me wonder though:
1. This guy does not look like the type of guy who would dope
2. We are still dealing with the French.

Can anyone name someone who failed a drug test who was able to prove he didn't do it? I can't.

Someone from the '96 Olympics did, it turned out to be from a tainted supplement, may even have been Muscletech. I think a few people tested positive who used it, 19 nor was the banned substance and apparently it was being manufactured or bottled in the same machine. Regardless, he was stripped of his medal so I don't know if that is really proving innocence, just that there was no intent to do so.

Posted by: Pepper

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

There was an NFL player who tested positive and it turned out to be Musletech protein produced on a machine that was not property cleaned. His suspension was upheld, however.

Posted by: 19-chief

ever since i started messing with ph's a few yrs back, i noticed that the only forums discussing ph/aas use and sports were discussing cycling... and at every level and all over the world too. it's nearly impossible to find anyone else candidly discussing things like this out in the open besides bodybuilders and cyclists... well, maybe some mma guys and footballers here and there.

Posted by: P-funk

no new thread to discuss the fact that his "B" tests failed?

Posted by: Mudge

Why not keep it in the original thread?

Posted by: P-funk

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Why not keep it in the original thread?

okay then.....

......wow! No new discussion since Landis failed his second test?

Posted by: I Are Baboon

Dude, it's Saturday. Who the hell is on the internet on a beautiful sunny Saturday?

But Landis is a cockmunch.

Posted by: musclepump

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Kicker Vencill, a swimmer, sued and won almost $700,000 because he was suspended after taking a tainted multi-vitamin. Wasn't MT though.

Posted by: musclepump

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Originally Posted by Pepper

There was an NFL player who tested positive and it turned out to be Musletech protein produced on a machine that was not property cleaned. His suspension was upheld, however.

Mike Cloud as well as an Olympic bobsledder both tested positive thanks to good ole' Nitro-Tech.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by I Are Baboon

Dude, it's Saturday. Who the hell is on the internet on a beautiful sunny Saturday?

But Landis is a cockmunch.

Personally I like the term Douchebag!

Posted by: JerseyDevil

What I don't understand is these guys are tested the whole time. None of his other samples were positive, only the ones from that Alpine stage. It takes weeks of exogenous testosterone before you see any benefit. It's not like he would take it the day before and then become super cyclist the next day. Because of past allegations, the Tour is probably the strictest drug tested event there is (except maybe the Olympics), so it doesn't make sense unless he is really friggin stupid.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

My guess is that they tested him and saw his levels were low, gave him some suspension, and miscalculated by a factor of ten, hence the 11:1 ratio. Don't know, though. It was exogenoug, so it came from a shot, that is for certain. I guess maybe his cortisone shot could have been tainted, but we are not talking the remnants in a used syringe, we are talking a good deal of liquid in the syringe.

Posted by: 19-chief

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

My guess is that they tested him and saw his levels were low, gave him some suspension, and miscalculated by a factor of ten, hence the 11:1 ratio. Don't know, though. It was exogenoug, so it came from a shot, that is for certain. I guess maybe his cortisone shot could have been tainted, but we are not talking the remnants in a used syringe, we are talking a good deal of liquid in the syringe.

that's what i was thinking. except i don't know who an athlete would say anything to... probably self [edited] medicated. at least i hope the team's ethics were of a higher standard else others should be called out for their involvement. well, floyd's the star and he should know there's a chance it could all blow up in your face.

Posted by: dg806

I heard someone talking on the radio this morning and they think it had to do with a masking agent he used. Apparently, he was doing it all along and it it was hid by some sort of agent and then when he bombed in the alpine stage, he had to up the dose to catch up the 8 minutes he lost and they miscalculated the masking agent. It was obvious that he did something because that type of time being made up in the alpine stages would be super incredible. Like 19, I don't see how one shot made that big of a difference, but it did. I'm sure the French are loving catching him, but name me one rider that is not taking something.

Posted by: JerseyDevil

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Originally Posted by dg806

I heard someone talking on the radio this morning and they think it had to do with a masking agent he used.

I thought about a masking agent, but from what I understand the Tour's testing apparatus is the best there is. Is there really a masking agent that could hide that many injections of test? I've heard many boxer's use something called "The Clean", no not 'the clear', but the clean. I don't think world boxing organizations level of testing is anywhere close to the one implemented at the Tour. Of course, they did apparently catch Landis, but it looks like he almost got away with it.

Posted by: dg806

I wouldn't think there was, but I'm sure they are very high tech in that, because like you said, I'm sure the tour's testing procedures are very tough.

Posted by: min0 lee

Not for nothing but.....has anyone else aside from FuFu, noticed how large his testicles look in those speedos???
Doesn't large testicles = high testosterone levels?

Just askin........

Posted by: musclepump

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Not for nothing but.....has anyone else aside from FuFu, noticed how large his testicles look in those speedos???
Doesn't large testicles = high testosterone levels?

Just askin........

Uh... well, when most guys inject exogeneous T, their nuts shrink...

Posted by: min0 lee

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Originally Posted by musclepump

Uh... well, when most guys inject exogeneous T, their nuts shrink...

Ohhhh....I didn't know that.
Then why would his balls look so big?

Posted by: Bakerboy

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Ohhhh....I didn't know that.
Then why would his balls look so big?

elephatiasis of the balls.

Posted by: IainDaniel

Apparently Landis was offered a plea bargain to rat out Lance Armstrong.

Posted by: BoneCrusher

So is it out then that Lance is dirty?

Posted by: ReproMan

BigDyl just PM'd me.

Told me he wants to see more pics of Landis' huge balls.

Posted by: IainDaniel

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

So is it out then that Lance is dirty?

Who knows who is telling the truth. Landis may be just trying to save face.

ESPN.com - CYCLING - Landis says he was asked to implicate Armstrong

Posted by: DOMS

"The testing was done at the same French laboratory criticized by Armstrong for leaks and poor procedures in the past."

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