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Posted by: Goodfella9783

Anyone know the final roster? I saw this on NBA.com but I know they've been screwing around with it for the past few months. I'm anxious to see how they do after their poor performance in 2004.

F- Carmelo Anthony
F- Shane Battier
F- Chris Bosh
F- Bruce Bowen
F- Elton Brand
F- Antawn Jamison
F- LeBron James
G- Kirk Hinrich
G- Chrish Paul
G/F- Joe Johnson
G- Dwayne Wade
C- Amare Stoudemire
C- Brad Miller
C/F- Dwight Howard

Definately not the best, but you never know how good a team will mesh when it comes down to it. Too bad guys like Ai, Garnett, Duncan, Kidd, Nash & Shaq won't be there. I'm looking forward to seeing Wade, LeBron and Melo play together.

Posted by: Pedigree

I lost interest after:
1) 1992
and
2) We got our a$$es handed to us in '04 while being coached by the fool Larry Brown.

Posted by: the nut

Once they start having a little pride in what they are playing for, it won't matter which ones make the team, they will dominate!

Isn't Nash Canadien?

Posted by: IainDaniel

Yes Nash is Canadian

At least you get some of your top athletes out for you national team.

We have players like Magloire who won't

Posted by: Goodfella9783

I just wanna see them dominate other squads like they did in the 90's. So fun to watch. Teams like Argentina are no joke though.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I just wanna see them dominate other squads like they did in the 90's. So fun to watch. Teams like Argentina are no joke though.

If USA plays with heart and up to their potential, Argentina and others are only playing for second.

Posted by: IainDaniel

I don't think you will see domination like you did in the early 90's.

Alot of these european and south american teams have really developed some strong teams.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

I agree.

Posted by: the nut

I disagree. USA plays like shit in these tournaments and dosen't play like a team, not to mention some of the best players don't play. Argentina takes pride in playing as team for the nation and good things are gonna happen. Not to take anything away from them, they don't have half the talent as the top 2 US squads.

Posted by: SuperFlex

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Anyone know the final roster? I saw this on NBA.com but I know they've been screwing around with it for the past few months. I'm anxious to see how they do after their poor performance in 2004.

F- Carmelo Anthony
F- Shane Battier
F- Chris Bosh
F- Bruce Bowen
F- Elton Brand
F- Antawn Jamison
F- LeBron James
G- Kirk Hinrich
G- Chrish Paul
G/F- Joe Johnson
G- Dwayne Wade
C- Amare Stoudemire
C- Brad Miller
C/F- Dwight Howard

Definately not the best, but you never know how good a team will mesh when it comes down to it. Too bad guys like Ai, Garnett, Duncan, Kidd, Nash & Shaq won't be there. I'm looking forward to seeing Wade, LeBron and Melo play together.

Not bad... If they play as a team this time I don't see them losing.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

USA vs. Puerto Rico on ESPN2 right now.

Posted by: ReproMan

All I know is the USA looked like the Dream Team of old last night against Puerto Rico. It really looked like the Globetrotters vs. the Generals in the 2nd half. Very excited about this team.

Posted by: the nut

That was a good showing... lets see them put a string of those together.

Posted by: Dale Mabry

Interesting, I remember watching the old Dream Team play, and I actually remember seeing Puerto Rico play. Funny, there wasn't so many black people playing for Puerto Rico back then and now, all of a sudden, there are no Puerto Ricans playing for Puerto Rico.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

They started out shaky last night, but once they get their confidence up and defense workin, there is no stopping them. I'm not gonna make any predictions because it was just an exhibition game, but they definately looked good. Here's what I would make the starting line up:

G- Dwayne Wade
G- Chris Paul
C- Dwight Howard
F- Lebron James
F- Elton Brand

Posted by: ReproMan

Another complete ass kicking vs. China. This is the team we've bene waiting for all these years. It may be jumping the gun, but if this team holds true to form, they have potential to be our best ever.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Yup very nice. Even if Yao was there, it would have made no difference. Who do we play next?

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Yup very nice. Even if Yao was there, it would have made no difference. Who do we play next?

TRAINING SCHEDULE

July 19-25: Las Vegas, Nev.

July 31-Aug. 3: Las Vegas, Nev.
Aug. 3: USA 114, Puerto Rico 69

August 6-8: Guangzhou, China
China Basketball Challenge 2006
Aug. 7: USA 119, China 73
8 a.m. ET
Airs at 9:30 p.m. ET on ESPN2
Aug. 8: USA vs. Brazil

August 11-15: Seoul, Korea
World Basketball Challenge 2006
Aug. 11: Korea vs. Turkey
Aug. 12: Korea vs. Lithuania
Aug. 12: Italy vs. Turkey
Aug. 13: USA vs. Lithuania
Aug. 13: Korea vs. Italy
Aug. 15: USA vs. Korea
2 a.m. ET on ESPN2

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP SCHED.
Note: The 2006 FIBA Men's World Championships will take place in Japan from Aug. 19 - Sept. 3. The United States will play its preliminary round games at the Hokkaido Prefectural Sports Center in Sapporo City, Hokkaido.

PRELIMINARY ROUND
August 19: USA vs. Puerto Rico
1 a.m. ET, LIVE on ESPN2
August 20: USA vs. China
6:30 a.m. ET, LIVE on ESPN2
August 22: USA vs. Slovenia
6:30 a.m. ET, LIVE on ESPN2
August 23: USA vs. Italy
6:30 a.m. ET, LIVE on ESPN2
August 24: USA vs. Senegal
6:30 a.m. ET, LIVE on ESPN2

MEDAL ROUNDS
August 26-27: Eighth-Finals
August 29-30: Quarterfinals
August 31: Classification Semifinals
September 1: Medal Rd. Semifinals
September 2-3: Finals

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GROUPS

GROUP A
Argentina
Venezuela
France
Serbia & Mont.
Lebanon
Nigeria

GROUP B
Spain
Panama
Germany
Japan
New Zealand
Angola

GROUP C
Lithuania
Brazil
Greece
Turkey
Australia
Qatar

GROUP D
USA
Puerto Rico
Slovenia
Italy
China
Senegal

Posted by: Saturday Fever

Brazil made it interesting. This team is good and they should win the gold, no doubt, but it's silly to think they will dominate everybody the way they did with Puerto Rico and China. Those two are not top world teams by any stretch of the imagination.

I imagine things will come together much better when the team is finalized and players have roles. These first three games have looked like scrimmages with the coach trying to figure out who to give minutes to and what roles guys can fill.

Posted by: ReproMan

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Originally Posted by Saturday Fever

Brazil made it interesting. This team is good and they should win the gold, no doubt, but it's silly to think they will dominate everybody the way they did with Puerto Rico and China. Those two are not top world teams by any stretch of the imagination.

I imagine things will come together much better when the team is finalized and players have roles. These first three games have looked like scrimmages with the coach trying to figure out who to give minutes to and what roles guys can fill.

Well considering last go around we lost to Puerto Rico, it's definitely a step in the right direction. The last few teams we put together we didn't have any perimeter shooting, and we lacked defense. All the bases seem to be covered this time except for the presence of a true "big man". Not to mention there is more "potential greatness" on this team then there was "greatness" on any of our teams since the original Dream Team. If we can't pull a gold with these guys there is a serious issue.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

When does Brazil/USA air? I'm tryin hard to watch these games like they're live.

Posted by: rogelio

Hey Godgfella Is not pretty big your signature ????

Posted by: rogelio

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

I used to be fan of dream team, but in the last days has waked up big emotion the argentina team, because belongs to latinamerica ....

Sincerily, I haven't heard about those NBA players, only Lebron and Carmelo, and a little Bowen ...can you please speak more of them

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by rogelio

Which players do you want to know about and what do you want to know about em? I'd be happy to help.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

Can't believe they lost to Greece this morning. I didn't watch this one but I'm assuming they got off to a bad start like all their other games but couldn't come back? Anyone see it?

Posted by: P-funk

what an embarrasment.

The NBA might have the best PLAYERS in the world but they don't have the best TEAMS in the world......NBA is all about self. those guys should be ashamed.

Posted by: motopsyko32

yeah what a BUST

Posted by: motopsyko32

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Originally Posted by P-funk

what an embarrasment.

The NBA might have the best PLAYERS in the world but they don't have the best TEAMS in the world......NBA is all about self. those guys should be ashamed.

i kinda disagree. look at Detroit. yes its the exception and not the rule, but it also proves that 2 allstars surrounded by role players can beat great teams (miami beating Detroit)

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by motopsyko32

i kinda disagree. look at Detroit. yes its the exception and not the rule, but it also proves that 2 allstars surrounded by role players can beat great teams (miami beating Detroit)

true...but again...that is NBA vs NBA.

I am talking about international play here.

I am talking about the fact that these teams (overseas) have taken the way we PLAYED the game back in the 70s and 80s and even early 90s (when I then stopped watching the NBA because it turned into a one on one drive to the basket type game), they have perfected it and now, they can take OUR game and beat us at it. Even the best players in the league can't hang with a team that (a) plays as a team on offense, (b) plays good defense and (c) has solid perimiter shooting.

Posted by: motopsyko32

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Originally Posted by P-funk

but you made all these assumptions off of one loss to greece... Even Michael Jordan missed shots. We lost by 6 to greece. We smoked everyone else by (probably) an average of 15 points.... thats why i disagree...

I bet in a best of 7 series against Greece, USA would win...

Posted by: devildog88

Problem with our NBA players is that they have lost focus on what is important. They concentrate on what makes them high profile. They dunk and have wicked handles but they can't shoot a freaking free throw. I have a novel way to make freethrows more important.......................fine their asses for everyone they miss!!! I bet Shaq would figure it out real quick!

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by motopsyko32

I base all my assumptions of the first (and even the second) USA teams to include NBA players....the "dream team".

great players
understood team sport
played hard defense
spread the ball around and took outside shots
hustled
didn't miss a high percentage of free throws (what is up with NBA players and free throws these days?)

and inturn, dominated opponents. but again, that was when basketball was basketball in this country. Now, the NBA teams look more like taller, bigger versions of the ESPN and 1 team....all show...all about me and what I can do....whatever gets me more money.

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by devildog88

Problem with our NBA players is that they have lost focus on what is important. They concentrate on what makes them high profile. They dunk and have wicked handles but they can't shoot a freaking free throw. I have a novel way to make freethrows more important.......................fine their asses for everyone they miss!!! I bet Shaq would figure it out real quick!

agreed.

Posted by: boilermaker

The international teams play together for a long time. They are actually teams We throw together a bunch of spoiled, overpaid individuals and watch them go 1 on 1 all day and get beat. The NBA is a joke. It is NOT basketball. The NBA is a league of uncontested shots and prissy fouls. When you put someone in their face all day, they can't make shots. Even in the game they won before Greece they were something like 10 for 37 from 3 point land.

Posted by: boilermaker

I think we should let our NCAA championship team represent the USA in international play for that year.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

I think we should let our NCAA championship team represent the USA in international play for that year.

Or maybe just top college players from different schools together before they're contaminated by the NBA. This year's class was nasty too.

Posted by: boilermaker

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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783

Or maybe just top college players from different schools together before they're contaminated by the NBA. This year's class was nasty too.

Yeah, but that still doesn't address the team part. Those international teams have been together for a long time. Some, the core has played together for 10 plus years. The college kids' agents would probably talk them out of it anyway for fear they would get hurt and lose their chance at the big money. Oh well, what do you do.

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Yeah that's what i meant. If you put college minded team oriented basketball players it's different (better) than putting emerging superstars in the NBA together. I think Florida alone would get ran over my international competition.

Posted by: motopsyko32

how about have the NBA championship team play that year in the World Games or Olympics or whatever is going on that year?

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by motopsyko32

how about have the NBA championship team play that year in the World Games or Olympics or whatever is going on that year?

they will get beat.....

again, it is a different game. look at the game, look at how it is played.

the NBA players can't D-Up!! They couldn't even defend against the pick and roll yesterday morning! they got embarrased by the pick and roll....the first thing every kid learns on a playground!!

The NBA has different rules. The game caters to 1 on on or 2 on 2 play as a way to allow the players to get inside, slam the ball, draw tippy tap fouls....etc..

I think they need to change the game to get back international play.

Posted by: motopsyko32

i happen to catch the greece games last night during dinner. The pick and roll worked well becasue all the greece cats could shoot except the big black dude...

we got beat by 6... shooting poorly from the 3 and the free throw line...

Any NBA team that has set offense and defense woulda beat Greece... by a lot...

The last three minutes of the game when the USA decided to step it up a notch, we outplayed Greece flat out on both ends...

The coach of Greece started the stall ball strategy (as well I woulda to win too)... But like I said earlier... In a best of 7 series, Greece woulda had they Gyro's handed to them...

Posted by: P-funk

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Originally Posted by motopsyko32

i happen to catch the greece games last night during dinner. The pick and roll worked well becasue all the greece cats could shoot except the big black dude...

exactly. USA got beat in shooting. Poor from the perimeter and no excuse to shoot that poorly from the line! that stuff is unexceptable. Also, the pick and roll worked because the USA wasn't playing defense. no one was picking up the shooter once the pick was set.

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we got beat by 6... shooting poorly from the 3 and the free throw line...

I agree.

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Any NBA team that has set offense and defense woulda beat Greece... by a lot...

right, that is a big problem. these guys need more time to play together as a team and get used to that type of atmosphere. these euro teams have been playing together for a long time.

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The last three minutes of the game when the USA decided to step it up a notch, we outplayed Greece flat out on both ends...

the last 3min. were great....but the 1st three quarters were not.

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The coach of Greece started the stall ball strategy (as well I woulda to win too)... But like I said earlier... In a best of 7 series, Greece woulda had they Gyro's handed to them...

Maybe, they would win a best of 7 series. That is the beauty of international play and the olympics though. You train for 1 shot. One oppurtunity to get out there and show everyone what you got. Only one team can run the table in international play. That is the team that comes together as a team from start to finish. they play together and they win together. USA was not able to do that, so they got burned.

Posted by: motopsyko32

great read (especially the 2nd page)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ina/index.html

Posted by: Goodfella9783

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Originally Posted by P-funk

Yup. And another problem was that they became to reliant on the steal for the easy baskets. This meant more chances and more failures in which the other teams were able to make one pass and capitalize on the US mistake. This happened so much. Their points either came from fast breaks or 3 Pointers. Not enough of a post up or set play scoring.

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Originally Posted by P-funk

right, that is a big problem. these guys need more time to play together as a team and get used to that type of atmosphere. these euro teams have been playing together for a long time.

Unfortunately, the NBA post-season usually goes all the way to mid-way through June. And the USA team starts training right after. So they were together as much as possible.

Posted by: boilermaker

Another factor is that in International play, there is no 3 second lane violation rule. So the big guys can pack down under the hoop. The other big guy has to play defense a much higher percentage of the time throughout the game. Just another adjustment the USA guys never see. And you can say, well our guys can just stand down there too. And they can, but the passing angles are all different and our guys aren't so good at passing to begin with.

Posted by: viet_jon

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

The international teams play together for a long time. They are actually teams We throw together a bunch of spoiled, overpaid individuals and watch them go 1 on 1 all day and get beat. The NBA is a joke. It is NOT basketball. The NBA is a league of uncontested shots and prissy fouls. When you put someone in their face all day, they can't make shots. Even in the game they won before Greece they were something like 10 for 37 from 3 point land.

true. that is last year though. A bunch of big name players thrown together. Basketball, like most sports, is a team sport. 5 of the worlds best players, will lose to a TEAM. I think they'll win it this year however. They'll learn from they're mistakes. Taking out players like KObe, is a good start.

I agree with you, the NBA is a joke. It has gotten alot softer over the years. Back in the 90's it was pure hustle and defence. Now it's all dunks, and pazaaz. Half the shots are uncontested, and they only really hustle the last few minutes of a game.

COLLEGE hoops is where basketballs' at IMO. Hustle from tip-off, and still hustlin if they're down 20 with 2 minutes to go.

Posted by: the nut

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Originally Posted by viet_jon

I think they'll win it this year however.

They already lost...

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