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i just read one of the best nutritional books ever...


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Posted by: ABLQ2

heavy duty nutriotn by mike mentzer. its amazing. it has helped me realize how rediculous my eating habits were. it is a timeless read. i suggest it to anyone trying to maximize muscle gains. i have never realized how few calories and protein i actually need.


Posted by: musclepump

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Originally Posted by ABLQ2
heavy duty nutriotn by mike mentzer. its amazing. it has helped me realize how rediculous my eating habits were. it is a timeless read. i suggest it to anyone trying to maximize muscle gains. i have never realized how few calories and protein i actually need.
Not saying he's right or wrong, but more than a few people have disagreed with what Mike preached. But, there's no harm in trying it and if it works for you, awesome!


Posted by: ABLQ2

oh ya i know that things dont exactly work out like he says. there are a ton of variables, but i love the whole "you dont really need that much" idea. i figure im going to try this for a year and see how things turn out.


Posted by: wilwn

aw what now, high intensity dieting?


Posted by: Maui Guns

I didn't read the book, but I read some of Mike's articles back when he was still competing.

Mike belived that only a small amount of extra calories above and beyond ones maintainance requirements are needed so support maximum muscle growth.

Right or wrong, his reasoning does make some logical sense.

Think about it like this; If you could succeed in gaining one single ounce of lean muscle mass a day, every day for a year, you would gain 23 ppounds of muscle. That's a pretty good gain for a single year!

Now consider this; How many calories do you need to eat to gain one ounce? I think there's about 400 calories in an ounce of fat. An ounce of muscle is probably close to the same. Do you need to consume thousands of extra calories daily in order to convert just 400 of them into new muscle? Mike's answer was no. However, there are lots of bodybuilders consuming 6,000 plus calorie per day diets that would disagree!


Posted by: Doublebase

I need to check this out. I have to eat so much just to maintain my weight. If I miss one or two meals I lose weight.


Posted by: P-funk

Mentzer had great genetics and did tons of drugs. Other then that I think his advice sucks my ****.


Posted by: IainDaniel

You want a good book on Nutrition. Here is a good start

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...67&TXT=Y&itm=2


Posted by: wilwn

looks like a college textbook


Posted by: IainDaniel

Zactly learn the basics, and you will be able to understand alot of these fad diets and there downfalls.


Posted by: wilwn

and a tad expensive...


Posted by: IainDaniel

Get what you pay for.


Posted by: P-funk

buy it used.

you can't put a price on education!


Posted by: GoalGetter

Here's another excellent one (textbook also).

Sports & Exercise Nutrition (2nd Edition), McArdle, Katch and Katch. A little more affordable as far as text books go, though still pricy - BUT WELL WORTH IT.


Posted by: PWGriffin

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Originally Posted by ABLQ2
heavy duty nutriotn by mike mentzer. its amazing. it has helped me realize how rediculous my eating habits were. it is a timeless read. i suggest it to anyone trying to maximize muscle gains. i have never realized how few calories and protein i actually need.

It's so difficult to know exactly what your maintenance cals are....I way in MULTIPLE times daily (just for fun, I work at a gym heh) and my weight fluctuates sometimes up to a pound or two throughout the day. Most peoples' level of activity varies from day to day as well. I'd rather err on the side of caution and take in extra extra cals early on and cut later. Besides, a little extra fat never hurt anybody, it may even increase mechanical leverage, making your lifts a little better.



Oh and the only advice I would take at face value from a drug user, would be what drugs to take. Their own personal experiences are tainted. If they want to talk about diet or training, they better be able to back that shit up objectively or I will take it with a grain of salt...I've been subjected to so much bullshit I block most people out when they start talkin.


Posted by: musclepump

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Oh and the only advice I would take at face value from a drug user, would be what drugs to take. Their own personal experiences are tainted. If they want to talk about diet or training, they better be able to back that shit up objectively or I will take it with a grain of salt...I've been subjected to so much bullshit I block most people out when they start talkin.
A good point. The metabolic system of someone on AAS is going to be far superior to those who are natural. Therefore, nutritional requirements are also largely altered.



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