Originally Posted by Mudge

Testosterone is the measure from which all other drugs obtain their anabolic/androgenic ratios, testosterone is good for BOTH.

Originally Posted by No....Name!!!!

So either would be good, or are you saying Test-E.?

Originally Posted by No....Name!!!!

So either would be good, or are you saying Test-E.?

Originally Posted by No....Name!!!!

I never said my freinds didnt gain anything, just wanted to know.

Originally Posted by Mudge

1500iu isn't enough to do much, but you may as well run it at the very end of your cycle.

Originally Posted by No....Name!!!!

Kinda bull.

Originally Posted by Trouble

>So Trouble, how long should i wait?

At least five more years (minimum 26-27, 7 years or hardcore training, and glucose tolerance fine-tuning. It is an *option* not a given, that you will need it. It depends on your goals, your genetics, and your discipline.

>I get what your trying to say, but was Arnold better off not to take steroids at 15.??

That's affirmative; he was better off not to take them at so young an age.

You are not Arnold S; its illogical to compare yourself to him.

>I mean he would tell you no, because if he would have waited he would never acheived what he has today.

Wanna bet on that? I bet if we write to him, he would say, "No, I would not have used to early; I would have waited."

>I would just like to know how long, just to my genetic limit.?

Depends on how hard you train and how dedicated you are to reaching that goal. Its not a matter of "when", its a matter of "if".

>But i also don't get why all Pro BodyBuilder's do not wait for this genetic
limit.

Again, your rationalization is that if the pro bbers do it, its OK?

Faulty logic. You may never make it the hard-earned ranks of the professional bodybuilder. You may, however, make it to the ranks of the seasoned and wise strength-training enthusiast, who dedicates himself to personal accomplishment.

Meeting that goal of personal accomplishment does not require the use of AAS. It requires grit, drive, and determination, self control and perseverence.

On failure to respond to creatine loading: You cannot bioaccumulate and use creatine as an energy source for type II fiber action if you do not have good glucose tolerance. You cannot modulate water and ion balance within cells, a direct pre-requisite to create and glycogen efficiency, without insulin sensivitvity to permit glucose entry into cells for storage, and taurine and N-acetyl cysteine to counteract ion accumulation by oxdiative phosphorylation.

Therefore, sir, your lack of creatine response is a direct indicator of your lack of ability to utilize glucose and other energy sources in muscle fibers associated with optimal strength status in large compound muscle performance.

You are not ready. When you can use CEE, and begin to see and feel the benefits of its effects, when you store and use glycogen efficiently, determined directly from liver lipid status and also short chain fatty acids balance in distal gut (these are exceptionally advanced notions that the other bodybuilding sites - save one or two- neglect to discuss) - then you will be ready to receive maximal benefit against the costs incurred in AAS use. This glycogen storage facet only occurs when gut health is maximized. That status assures optimal immune system function. In turn, optimal immune system function guarantees adequate repair and recovery from intense training.

Until then, you are spitting in the wind.

Originally Posted by Trouble

No Name. I hate to be cynical, but Arnold is genetically gifted, no question. His political success is at least partially predicated on his many roles as the Hollywood Hero. Plus, he is a "larger than life" personality, yet another quality necessary to excel as a top bodybuilder.

Had he ran for governor of Cali as a bodybuilder, nah, sorry, he wouldn't have even made it onto the ballot. To assert that his success is due to steroids is..short sighted, perhaps wishful thinking.

AAS is a ham fisted molecular pry bar. Its best used to get the last few percentage of peak performance, not to drag your anndrogen receptors (and a whole lot innocent bystander receptors) kicking and screaming to a level activity above mediocrity.

TOM, thank you for the kind words. Interesting avatar; I would say more, but I have an interest in working for Uncle. Best not to rock the boat.