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Originally Posted by MyK
cool man! I'll be sure to stop by to see how you progress!!
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Originally Posted by fufu
Go DOMS! You certainly have more a sense of what you are doing compared to your average gym-goer.
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Wow you have a journal.
Can you handle alot of volume? I ask because that seems like a good amount of volume, and alot of people have trouble with it. However, if you are just getting back into it, you can probably have a voluminous routine and still make nice gains. In a month from now you may need to consider lowering the volume and deloading. |
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Holy shit. That is a gung-ho return to the gym. Be careful with that, and good luck.
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Very inspirational DOMS. Good luck, not that you need it, you seem pretty determined.
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For a two month period ending about two weeks ago, life had been shit. Without a doubt they rank as two of the worst months of my life. The details don't matter. Fuck it though. I'm still here, going strong and getting back into the swing of things. Bloodied, but unbound, baby.
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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Those anal fissures sure do get messy.
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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
Here, use this...
Recovery Journal Hours of sleep- Sleep quality- Sleep interrupted- Muscle soreness- Joint soreness- Geneal fatigue- Desire to train- Motivation- Morning HR- Everything is on a 10 point scale except for hours of sleep and sleep interrupted which are just objective numerical answers. Can't remember where I ripped it from, I think Sports Power. It helped when I used it. |
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I would do it first thing every morning, which is what the author recommended.
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Recovery Journal
Hours of sleep: 6 (I went to sleep late) Sleep quality: 10 Sleep interrupted: 1 (I woke up to piss, went right back to sleep) Muscle soreness: 2 Joint soreness: 0 Geneal fatigue: 0 Desire to train: 10 Motivation: 10 Morning HR: Damn, I forgot to ask Dale what 'HR' stood for... 29/08/2006 |
heart rate!
whatever, If I give that vibe off its because I'm a prick!
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GL bud. these past two months have been pretty bad for me too but as someone once said, life works in waves so when some bad shit happens the good stuff is just around the corner.
i'll be starting a journal in about 1.5 weeks when my school begins and i tighten up my life in more ways than one. |
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Good luck wirth your goals, if I were you I would add more Bicep isolation work to your workout.
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Alright Doms, I'm glad to see you have started a journal. Good luck with everything, and Iwill be checking in to how your progress is coming.
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Thanks for the kind words fufu. Actually, it was principally your journal that prompted me to do mine.
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Thanks for the support!
You don't think that 12 sets for biceps (plus all the indirect work) is enough? |

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I never do less than 18 sets of bicep isolation work, but do what works for you.
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Standing Alt. DB Curls (2 RI, 1/1/3/x): 30 @ 6 35 @ 6 40 @ 6 40 @ 4 Hammer Curl (2 RI, 1/1/3/x): 35 @ 6 35 @ 6 40 @ 4 40 @ 4 Face-down DB Curls (RI 2, 1/x/3/x): 20 @ 6 20 @ 6 25 @ 6 25 @ 4 DB Wrist Curl (RI 2, 1/1/1/x): 25 @ 12 20 @ 11 Reverse Curl - EZ Bar (RI 2, 1/x/3/x): 20 @ 12 20 @ 12 |
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Sorry to hear it's been shitty for you too. Have you replaced your car yet?
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Originally Posted by DOMS
I like your wave theory, but I think I'm growing too cynical for it. One things for certain, it's not anything like a box of chocolates...
As for "tighten up my life in more ways than one", that's what I did. It's funny, the worse life get, the faster you find out who's crap you don't need. I'll keep an eye out for your journal. |
thought it might help others to.
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no, still fighting with the insurance company over my money. and she's actually sueing me now
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the wave theory helps me get through those low points in my life
thought it might help others to. |

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yea, when you eliminate unwanted stress and complications in your life it seems as though you achieve a little sense of balance and everything seems a little brighter.
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your journal looks good, i don't really like the body part training but you've been around long enough to know the cons and pros of both. let's see you throwin around some big weights
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GL bud. these past two months have been pretty bad for me too but as someone once said, life works in waves so when some bad shit happens the good stuff is just around the corner.
i'll be starting a journal in about 1.5 weeks when my school begins and i tighten up my life in more ways than one. |
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DB, BB, Hammer, ect curls. Lateral raises, hamstring curls, tricep ext, shrugs, flys.....ect...ect.
If I were you I would drop to 8 sets ( and 8 sets is still very high) of bicep work. |

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I said I do 18 sets of bicep isolation work per month total.
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You can also hit muscles like Bi's very nicely with compound exersizes, like weighted chinups. Actually some peoples arms grow better that way.
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That's very high, but if you're sick it makes sense. I would make sure you have sat stillcomfortably for about 5 minutes before taking your morning resting HR, it helps with comparing later readings.
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Originally Posted by DOMS
Plus, I don't really have a choice. There's a distinct lack of equipment. I figure I'll know my current capabilities in a few weeks, then I set ambitious goals and go for it!
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i have no idea bro. i got a letter that she is sueing me and my lawyer told me that its nothing and that she is picking at straws now, or maybe just talked to a dumbshit lawyer.
the police says motor vehicle 1 (her), mv 2 and witness all state that mv 1 made a right turn from the inner most causing the collision. my lawyer says that he has never seen such a one sided polic report and that i'm good to go. they are holding my money for my car because they say that 'inner most lane' may be interpreted a couple of different ways ![]() |

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you have your shit together bro and with the support system of this website its all cake
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I see this shit all the time. I also love it when they change from the fast lane (on the freeway) to the right-most lane in under two seconds.
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Originally Posted by DOMS
You really think so? Sometimes I wonder. Personally, I like to do body part training and high volume workouts. This flies against conventional wisdom, not to mention the opinions of many people on this site.
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yea then they flip you off for honking at them when they almost t-bone you. i love my bmw brakes for situations like that, when people piss me off i get in front and brake check them for a little while. having a manual helps because when they try going around you downshift into third, get in front and brake check again.
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you've been around this forum for a while now and have a good grasp of all the basic concepts. what you want to do with them is up to you. do what you enjoy and watch how your body responds, if its negative then switch things up. you know the drill.
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I just wanted to say, there is nothing wrong with a body part split. I don't particularly like them, but as long as you balance out the volume of the various movements and then segment it based on body parts so that you don't create muscular imbalances, you're good to go. It's just easier to design a more balanced program splitting up the days based on movements.
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Lawl, I hate when I wake up to piss. This happens every night though.
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Conversely,
DOMS, Sr. ...Well, that explains the trips to the can in the dead of night to take a squirt. Great job on your journal. The volume of your w/os is staggering. Coupled w/ your attention to diet, I think you'll see some really good progress. |

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Today has been a damn fine day.
Working with high volume seems to have changed the "nature" of my DOMS (the physiological response). Yeah, the mechanism of DOMS hasn't changed, the feeling of it has. It used to be that the DOMS had an acute pain and seemed to feel as though it was at the surface of my muscles. Now is seems to be more deep-seated and diffused. I'm not sure what, if anything, this might mean. Hell, it just might all be in my head. Meh. AM Romanian Dead-lifts (RI 3, 1/x/3/x) 200 @ 6 205 @ 6 205 @ 6 205 @ 3 Single-leg Split-squat (RI 2, 1/x/1/x) - I cranked out a couple of reps and the realized that I didn't have the balance needed to do these right after doing my DLs. My balance isn't the best to begin with. I'll replace these for the next workout. Lying Curls - 2/1 method (RI 3, 1/x/3/x) 45 @ 6 50 @ 6 55 @ 6 55 @ 5 - first time Calf Raise 200 @ 12 220 @ 12 230 @ 12 250 @ 11 250 @ 10 PM T-Bar Row (RI 3, 1/1/3/x) 170 @ 6 170 @ 6 175 @ 6 DB Lying Row (RI 2, 1/1/3/x) 40 @ 6 45 @ 6 50 @ 6 - Add 5 BB Shrugs (RI 3, 1/x/3/x) 230 @ 6 230 @ 6 235 @ 6 - Add 5 DB Shrugs (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 65 @ 6 65 @ 6 70 @ 6 DB Curl (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 40 @ 6 40 @ 6 40 @ 4 Side-bends (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 50 @ 10 50 @ 10 50 @ 10 - first time - Add 5 31/08/2006 KW: legs, quads, hamstrings, calves, back, obliques |
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I know you said never to failure. How far short of failure are you stopping? I would think you would have to stop a good 2 or maybe 3 reps short of failure with this kind of volume for any extended period of time.
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Looking impressive, DOMS. Id never be able to keep this sorta volume up.
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That's yet to be determined.

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Lawl, I always get sleepowned on saturday nights. I think I got 11 hours last night.
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Originally Posted by FrankT
Wow, one of the best journals I've read so far.
I really enjoy how thorough you are. I am, in fact, going to bookmark your journal. I think I will be starting one of my own soon, now that school has started again. Keep up the good work DOMS! |
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I was just reading Emma-Leigh's journal and something just hit me: I haven't been feeling any burn (lactic acid) during my workouts. I suppose that's a function of doing low rep ranges, but I'm pretty sure that I used to get a burn even during low rep ranges. Come to think of it, even with those exercises that I do higher reps on (calfs & forearms), I don't get a burn their either.
Just FYI. |
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When I used to powerlift in the 1-6 rep range. I would commonly
NOT feel "the burn". It's only when I do sets of at least 6-7 reps that I start to really feel a burn. Otherwise I just feel fatigued. Don't worry about it. It's actually a good thing. Probably the main reason you are not experiencing DOMS anymore. |
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Hey Doms, just came across your journal for the first time: Very impressed man. Seeing that I've just started a 5 x a week training plan myself, gonna check in from time to time to see how its working for you.
Keep up the good work. |

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Yeah, I'm starting to learn that their are complications to having the username "DOMS."
![]() "Why, just the other day, I had DOMS in my ass." ![]() |
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Yeah, I'm starting to learn that their are complications to having the username "DOMS."
![]() "Why, just the other day, I had DOMS in my ass." ![]() |
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Looking great in here DOMS. I read the first page and the last page, still doing what you talked about in your first post? How's it going? Cool to see you have a journal, I'll follow along for sure
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Not experiencing DOMS? I must have given the wrong impression. I do have DOMS, just not as accute, but most of that can be attributed to using aids in recovery.
As for the burn, I think you're correct. |
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Still going strong!
I didn't have a the time to do my last exercise of the morning workout. I had to go to work early to put in a router for VOIP. I wasn't too pleased with my control of the DBs, so I didn't add weight to many of the exercises. A funny thing happened in my evening workout. I was about half way through my workout when I figured that I smelled a bit ripe. So I grabbed a can of cinnamon air freshener and sprayed the room. It was like aroma therapy. I instantly felt better. Good lord, I think my ovaries hurt... AM DB Front Raise (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 25 @ 6 25 @ 6 25 @ 6 DB Lateral Raises (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 25 @ 6 25 @ 6 25 @ 6 DB Rear Lateral Raise (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 30 @ 6 30 @ 6 30 @ 6 Seated BB Shoulder Press (RI 3, 1/x/3/x) 90 @ 6 90 @ 6 95 @ 6 - Add 5 Side Bend (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) - *bzzzzt* Time over. PM DB Bench Press (RI 3, 1/x/3/x) 65 @ 6 65 @ 6 65 @ 6 Fly (RI 2, 1/1/3/x) 55 @ 5 55 @ 5 55 @ 5 Skullcrusher (RI 3, 1/x/3/x) 55 @ 6 55 @ 6 55 @ 6 - Add 5 Decline DB Triceps Extensions (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 25 @ 5 25 @ 6 25 @ 6 - I have no clue what happened with that first set Kickback (RI 2, 1/x/3/x) 35 @ 6 35 @ 6 35 @ 6 DB Wrist Curl (RI 1.5, 1/1/1/x) 30 @ 10 30 @ 10 30 @ 10 30 @ 10 30 @ 8 - Add 5 05/09/2006 KW: delts, shoulders, pecs, chest, obliques, tris, triceps, forearms |
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Well, not really, but P-funk said (in another thread) that "My head just exploded." That sounds suspiciously like "I just rubbed one out", so I think he's closer to finding topolo that I am.
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Well, not really, but P-funk said (in another thread) that "My head just exploded." That sounds suspiciously like "I just rubbed one out", so I think he's closer to finding topolo that I am.
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I think DOMS in your ass is definitely a better indicator of having contact with topolo.
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Worn out. That about sums it up.
I didn't complete the final two exercise of both my morning and evening workouts. I feel like I lack the energy. I don't feel lethargic, despondent, or even tired. I only feel worn out when I'm demanding of my body during a workout. It's quite possible that I might be over the line. So, to tone it down a bit, I'm going to forgo the 3 second eccentric from now on. I'll do a standard 1 second. I'll leave everything else the way it is. |
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Try this:
Get some powerade/koolaid mix. Mix 3x the recommended amount into some water, and sip it during the whole workout. ![]() |
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Still looking good in here. Sounds like a bit of overtraining with the lack of motivation. I think changing the Eccentric time is good, I never thought about little changes in intensity like that affecting overtraining. Thanks for bringing that up, it's in my mellon now
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Speaking of shoulders...
![]() Good news everyone! I just lost a shirt. I blew out the left shoulder seam (along the rear) of one of favorite shirts today. |

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What the hell dude?!? I've tried that...putting on like XXsmall to try and rip it, just makes my fat bounce around more
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As always fufu, your support gives me the warm and fuzzies.
![]() I'm being reasonable careful. If you look back over my journal, you'll see that I've done several things to mitigate the stress I place on my shoulders. They include:
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Originally Posted by Decker
All I have to offer is anecdotal evidence but I went through shoulder pain too a few years ago. It was damn near debilitating. I worked through it by doing increased warm-ups--rotating the arms and multiple lightweight warmup sets. In retrospect, some rowing would have alleviated much of the problem.
After seeing your choice of Single-arm Tricep extensions, I decided to give it a shot. My first impression was that the exercise felt unstable in my shoulder. (I try to avoid exercises that I can't cheat at--negative reps) |
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Originally Posted by Decker
The volume of your schedule still amazes me. Every 3 months or so I get burned out on lifting and take a few weeks off. If I attempted your schedule (at my advanced age) I'd be burning out every month. Congratulations to your constitutions. I am envious.
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Originally Posted by Decker
Oh by the way, I took my wife horseback riding on our last day of vacation--she had a blast. Me, I got Apache the Wonderhorse--that fucker threw me once, tried to crush my legs against trees and, according to my wife, Apache was getting one off on some high bushes and was sporting a major boner. I'm not even spared humiliation on a vacation.
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And now you've immortalized it here on IM. It sounds like you had a good trip! Now get back to work!
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you could have pulled a 'Conan the Barbarian' and punched the horse....
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I'm not going to workout until I meet with the orthopedic specialist on Thursday. So I'm going to record my BMP as a baseline. Something I regretted not having done before I started my new routine.
BMP: 72 |
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That is funny; I have to see the orthopedic specialist Thursday also. Look on the bright side, we can both still do legs and abs. My legs are going to be bad ass. At least that is how I look at it to keep from falling in a slump. We can't stop and feel sorry for oursleves on account of our injuries, you know?
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I'm a bodybuilding junkie. I have to go cold turkey. If it turns out that I have to abstain from shoulder workouts past Thursday, I'll create a new, shoulderless, routine. Until then, nada.
My appointment is at 3:30 PM, when's yours? |
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That's what I get for buying from the thrift store.
![]() Fat? Ha! I doubt that! I see your avatar. My entire back is like a portion of your back. I am Rocco's hard working infraspinatus. |
I love that movie!!!
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Thanks CowPimp. I'm already doing some of those. I really want to give cryotherapy and that hot chick a try.
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What exactly was wrong with your shoulder? How long did it take to heal? Is it completely recovered?
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Originally Posted by DOMS
I've been doing quite a bit of warmup and doing exercises that work the supporting musculature. I only have 4 more days of working out until I meet with the doctor. I just need my shoulder to hold out for that long. I suppose that I could simply stop working out until then, but I suppose I could also hit myself in the crotch with a hammer; But neither one of those are going to happen.
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Originally Posted by DOMS
...And now you've immortalized it here on IM. It sounds like you had a good trip! Now get back to work!
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....It sucks, but it's better than letting a 65 year old man fall 6 feet on to concrete.
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c'mon Doms, your neighbor new the risks involved the moment he picked up that tarp. I say let him fall. That's personal responsibility!
I got my fingers crossed for your prognosis. Good Luck. It is thursday...today? |
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YEAH, BIATCHES, YEAH!!!
It's not my rotator cuff, it's only bicep tendonistis. Two weeks off, two weeks anti-inflamitory, ice twice a day, and a slow come back and then I'm back in the game!!! YEAH!!! |
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No, the lady thanked me the whole time I was there and the guy didn't say thank you once.
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Noice! Will you be doing any leg work? I've had my share of tendonitis. I had to cut some stuff out for a few months. It still flares up now and then.
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Hell yes. Do you think it would be okay to bench? It's not an overhead press.
Oh, and no Military Press ever again for me. I don't mind, they're are plenty of other exercises to do. |
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Ehhh, I would stay away from benching for the first week. I also have pretty much stop military pressing. I will still do push presses on a blue moon. Just did them last week for the first time in like 3 months.
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Sounds like you're talking impingement. If you look through fufu's journal, I believe I drolled out a lengthy description of some preventive exercises you can do for this.
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YEAH, BIATCHES, YEAH!!!
It's not my rotator cuff, it's only bicep tendonistis. Two weeks off, two weeks anti-inflamitory, ice twice a day, and a slow come back and then I'm back in the game!!! YEAH!!! |

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Well, I've decided to go on a cut. I'm cutting back my cals to 2300 kcal/day. I might try carb cycling.
My cadio plan is to bicycle 1 to 2 hours a day for 4 days a week. Oh well, it likes like DOMS will be cooking for others and not enjoying the fruits of his labors. Such is life... |
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How to cook a steak:
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1 Open package and place all of the beef in a large bowl.
2 Pore Dales Seasoning 2 into the bowl. 3 Grab a tack from the bowl and slap it onto Foreman. 4 Close the bowl 5 Start at step 2 until steaks are finished |
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2300 calories per day? How much do you weigh? I would shrivel up like an 8 year old girl on that kind of diet. I'm taking in almost double that right now and my weight gains have tapered off unless this week was a fluke, haha.
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I weight about 220 - 225.
Even with the crazy volume & intensity I was doing, at 3200 kcals / day I was adding weight to my workouts and losing just a bit of fat each week. Maybe 2300 cals is too low, but the way I figure it, if I aim low and end up a bit high I'll be okay. |
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Wow, I wouldn't drop that low. Just make sure you carefully monitor your body composition so you can make a change if shit gets too shifty.
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Well, I've decided to go on a cut. I'm cutting back my cals to 2300 kcal/day. I might try carb cycling.
My cadio plan is to bicycle 1 to 2 hours a day for 4 days a week. Oh well, it likes like DOMS will be cooking for others and not enjoying the fruits of his labors. Such is life... |
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Okay, I will. Thanks CowPimp.
A question about impingement: isn't it accompanied be a loss of strength in the affected arm? |
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Not necessarily, no. I suppose it could if it is bad enough that you start favoring the other arm to the point where atrophy/breakdown of motor patterns results from lack of usage.
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Okay, then what makes you think it's an impingement and not tendinitis? How can I tell?
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Using the arm of the side where your shoulder is bugging you, rest your hand on top of the opposite shoulder. Your elbow should be pointing almost straight ahead, though it will probably be off center a little bit. Now, keeping you hand (Or fingers at least) on the opposing shoulder, raise your elbow to that it points upward. Does this cause pain?
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No, I feel no pain when I do this.
The only was that the doctor could create any pain was in these two movements: 1. While holding my left arm straight ahead, palm up, he was apply resistance while I tried to push upward. 2. When I reached across my body with my left arm and reaching as far as I could. Oh, and I should add that the pain caused by number one isn't that bad and number two was almost negligible. |