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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
This poll sucks.....big surprise.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
This poll sucks.....big surprise.
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Originally Posted by SuperFlex
And your vote would be?
Don't even say it... |
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Originally Posted by Bakerboy
Those are all Americans, what about the rest of the world?
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Originally Posted by footballmaniac
Who cares about the rest of the world.
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Originally Posted by Bakerboy
Everyone but you.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Not you
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Originally Posted by boilermaker
Jim Thorpe
Gold Medalist in the decathalon, pentathalon, pro football hall of famer, semi-pro baseball player before all of that. |
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Originally Posted by Bakerboy
Those are all Americans, what about the rest of the world?
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Originally Posted by SuperFlex
You have no clue...besides that's not what I asked.
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Originally Posted by lnvanry
MJ not because he was the most agile or "atheletic by nature"...but because of his popularity as an athelete.
And he was a chicago bull of course. |
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Not even close to Ali son.
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Originally Posted by fufu
Ali wasn't in Space Jam.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
I have A clue and it's not you.
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Originally Posted by lnvanry
MJ not because he was the most agile or "atheletic by nature"...but because of his popularity as an athelete.
And he was a chicago bull of course. |
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Originally Posted by fufu
I'd say some gymnist, they are the best atheletes out there IMO.
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Why not throw in ice skaters while you're at it!
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Originally Posted by SuperFlex
That's an 8.7 on the gaydar...
Why not throw in ice skaters while you're at it! |
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
The most recent winner of the Olympic decatholon.
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Santa Claus who else can get around the world and up and down those chimmneys in one night, while carry an infinite number of toys?
Think about it absolute strength and unbelievable speed. |
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
Santa Claus who else can get around the world and up and down those chimmneys in one night, while carry an infinite number of toys?
Think about it absolute strength and unbelievable speed. |
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
Santa Claus is not real.
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...Tito.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
MJ easy.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
The most recent winner of the Olympic decatholon.
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Originally Posted by Doublebase
10 different events, 10 different skills. I bet this guy could beat MJ in more sports and games.
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Originally Posted by fufu
Gay porn stars are the best atheletes.
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Originally Posted by boilermaker
Jordan Hit .202 and struck out one of every 4 at bats. He also made 11 errors in the field. Greatest basketball player of all time. Absolutely. Greatest athlete of all time. Absolutely not.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I chose Jordan because he could do everything. Run, Jump, shoot, dunk, defend, ect. He could play any position if he wanted to. He also won 3 championships that wouldn't have been possible without him as seen in the 1994 season. Came out of retirement and won 3 more. Retired. Came out of retirement again and still competed at high level. I'm pretty sure if you stuck him in any sport he'd be unbelievable. Even if he spent more time and stayed dedicated to baseball he probably would have done great (51 RBI's, 30 Stolen bases isn't too shabby for a 6'6" dude btw. Especially since he hadn't played since high school). And I'm pretty sure most sports critics who have been doing it for years rank MJ pretty high so I don't know what the confused smilies are all about in Foreman's post.
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Originally Posted by IainDaniel
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Jordon was the best basketball player of all time. Not even in the top 100 for the greatest athletes ever.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
ESPN ranks him at like 8 or something. I think that's too low.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
ESPN is a joke then, Jordon is not even close to top 50.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Why what's so unathletic about him?
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
He was only good at one sport....big deal. Every Olympic decathlon winner is a better athlete than Jordon was.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Never know. Jordan didn't do any decathalons. I like real sports anyway. Fuck discus, pole vault, shot put & javelin bs.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The thread is about the best athlete, not the best basketball player.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Not even close to Ali son.
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Originally Posted by SuperFlex
Are you training hard for the 06 games?
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Originally Posted by fufu
Yes, I recently came off a pulled sphincter, a disheartening set back. I should be good though.
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Originally Posted by fufu
Yes, I recently came off a pulled sphincter, a disheartening set back. I should be good though.
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Originally Posted by lnvanry
wayyy better and much more class than ali son
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Never know. Jordan didn't do any decathalons. I like real sports anyway. Fuck discus, pole vault, shot put & javelin bs.
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Originally Posted by ubercoach
Obviously spoken by a complete fool with no athletic ability. I'd be impressed if you could hang with one of my college decathletes for JUST two days of training, much less do all 10 events. Why do you think the Olympic Decathlon Champ holds the title of World's Best Athlete? Because they can do it ALL!
Having played on a Ca. state championship basketball team, competed with Bill Walton (we went to the same high school), trained with people like Russ Hodge, (former World Record Holder in the Decathlon) when I threw the javelin and the shot, in addition to strength training numerous field athletes, I can argue from authority. One "plays" basketball, so skill development is reasonably pleasurable, the hard part's conditioning. Mastering the 10 different events in the Decathlon requires not only the skills, put the power and muscular endurance to compete for two days. And the training is nothing but YEARS of HARD HARD WORK. Not even a close contest IMHO. Goodfella9783 - You are quite clueless, please keep your ignorance to yourself, the Decathlon's the original Olympic sport, show some respect. Jordan couldn't carry Robert Zmelik's jock, much less begin to be competitive in the Decathlon. Jordan's insufficiently disciplined, just for starters. Zmelik won the Decathlon in '92 Barcelona, completely self coached and on a budget less than what Jordan tips his caddy for a day on the links. In addition, Zmelik came very close to repeating in '96. His performances in training right up to Atlanta had him on track to break the world record in the Decathlon. Unfortunately he got a tooth infection the week of the games and ended up 7th. BILL TOOMEY is an obvious American choice that should be in the top 2 or 3. Toomey won the Gold in '68, still holds the record of 5 time US National Champion and he won 23 major Decathlon meets. As for the all time best Athlete...tough call, but Toomey deserves to be right near the top. Ubercoach |
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Originally Posted by ubercoach
Obviously spoken by a complete fool with no athletic ability. I'd be impressed if you could hang with one of my college decathletes for JUST two days of training, much less do all 10 events. Why do you think the Olympic Decathlon Champ holds the title of World's Best Athlete? Because they can do it ALL!
Having played on a Ca. state championship basketball team, competed with Bill Walton (we went to the same high school), trained with people like Russ Hodge, (former World Record Holder in the Decathlon) when I threw the javelin and the shot, in addition to strength training numerous field athletes, I can argue from authority. One "plays" basketball, so skill development is reasonably pleasurable, the hard part's conditioning. Mastering the 10 different events in the Decathlon requires not only the skills, put the power and muscular endurance to compete for two days. And the training is nothing but YEARS of HARD HARD WORK. Not even a close contest IMHO. Goodfella9783 - You are quite clueless, please keep your ignorance to yourself, the Decathlon's the original Olympic sport, show some respect. Jordan couldn't carry Robert Zmelik's jock, much less begin to be competitive in the Decathlon. Jordan's insufficiently disciplined, just for starters. Zmelik won the Decathlon in '92 Barcelona, completely self coached and on a budget less than what Jordan tips his caddy for a day on the links. In addition, Zmelik came very close to repeating in '96. His performances in training right up to Atlanta had him on track to break the world record in the Decathlon. Unfortunately he got a tooth infection the week of the games and ended up 7th. BILL TOOMEY is an obvious American choice that should be in the top 2 or 3. Toomey won the Gold in '68, still holds the record of 5 time US National Champion and he won 23 major Decathlon meets. As for the all time best Athlete...tough call, but Toomey deserves to be right near the top. Ubercoach |
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
You don't count. First you say boxers can kick MMA fighters' asses and all of the sudden you're on MMA's dick. Very confused you are.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Look Homo, boxing is corrupt and I'm sick of paid off fights. MMA is the only other option so you can look at MMA as the fat girl at the party that's a sure thing. Nothing more nothing less son.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Like that shit is news anyway. Get with it. Just like I said. You're very confused. You don't know what to like.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
I'm not here for the news son. Just like all pussy gets old I'm sick of boxing.....grow up kid.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
I'm surprised you don't get sick of being online and changing avatars every 3 seconds being the age you are.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
My God I can't believe I didn't realise you were in love with me till now.
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Originally Posted by Goodfella9783
Yeah and you're tellin me to grow up
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Originally Posted by ubercoach
consideration has to be compared with Thorpe. He would be my template for comparison when trying determine "The best athlete".
"I just never paid any attention to decathalon events ever in my whole life because I think it is boring as shit and does not entertain me whatsoever." - Goodfella9783 Goodfella9783, I'm not sure which is more lame, that you're: 1. Not paying attention to the thread. 2. Use the entertainment factor as part of your criteria to oafishly dismiss several of the original Olympic events. The same skills used by ancient warriors in combat. 3. Use the entertainment factor as part of your critera to determine athletic ability. Way too much MTV and /or video games, not enough time playing sports on a real playing field. 4. Unaware of many factors, for example; the huge difference in being a team member and how much tougher it is competing as an individual, all alone, with no one else to blame for poor performance and no one to help keep you pumped when you're having a bad day. or, 5. Unable to admit profound ignorance and continuing to rant about it like it's a virtue. Ubercoach |
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Originally Posted by SuperFlex
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IMO athletic means performance in running, jumping, quickness, mobility in all directions, coordination, etc... Sounds like you're discribing what it takes to do the Decathlon. Etymology: Middle English, from Latin athleta, from Greek athlEtEs, from athlein to contend for a prize, from athlon prize, contest : a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina Let's review the events and then tell me if you have a better test of overall athleticism? The Nature of the Decathlon The decathlon is an athletic competition containing ten different track and field (athletics) contests and won by the participant amassing the highest total score. It is an Olympic multi-event sport for men. The women's counterpart is a seven-event contest called "Heptathlon". Virtually all that we offer here about the decathlon can also be applied to the women's heptathlon. The decathlon has its ancestry in the Ancient Greek Games and reveals the Greek model of a balanced, all-around athlete. The decathlon is a two-day miniature track meet designed to ascertain the sport's best all-around athlete. Within its competitive rules, each athlete must sprint for 100 meters, long jump, heave a 16-pound shotput, high jump and run 400 meters -- all in that very order -- on the first day. On the second day the athlete runs a 110 meter hurdle race over 42 inch barriers, hurls the discus, pole vaults, tosses a javelin and, at the end of the contest, races over 1500 meters, virtually a mile. All-around contests abound. Many individual sports from gymnastics to rodeo to Nordic skiing to equestrian have all-around contests designed to measure versatility within that sport. But since track and field (athletics) is the most fundamental (some say the first or basic) sport where its participants run, jump and throw, it's all-around test -- the decathlon -- measures those elementary athletic talents. Speed, strength, agility, spring and endurance are embodied within its measurable objectives. While one athlete may be faster, another stronger and yet a third a better jumper, the decathlon attempts to determine who, among the three, is the best all-around or general athlete. The skills of the decathlete are not specific to any sport. Although all sporting contests need fast, strong and agile athletes, they also demand specific skills. Although those skills (e.g., making a 20-foot jump shot, hitting a curve ball, or kicking a field goal) are difficult to master, they are specific to each sport and not general in nature. This is why there can be no doubt that decathlon champions are the best all-around athletes in the world. Making a case that decathletes are the "world's best athletes" is harder since some athletes with honed specific talents, for example Michael Jordan or Ken Griffey, Jr., may be so proficient in their unique skills as to overshadow a decathlete with terrific general competency. The decathlete does not have to be exceptional in any one event to be the champion in the ten events. He must range from being at least adequate in his weak events to being outstanding in his stronger events. Because he must do well in three running, one hurdling, three jumping an and three throwing events he has inadequate chance to perfect and polish any one of the events. So he must compromise. And therein lies the nature of the decathlon. It is a compromise where concessions must be made in preparation for the sake of maximizing the total score. In his training he must strive to improve his technique, gain strength without sacrificing speed or spring, (and vice versa) and acquire the endurance that will escort him through a competition which, in many cases, lasts 8-10 hours each day. An international scoring table is provided to evaluate and award points for each performance. The winner is the athlete who has the most points after ten events. So the decathlon is the only event in which it doesn't really matter if the athlete finishes first, third or worse in a particular event. The score is the thing and the decathlete competes against a scoring table, and in reality, against his own ability and standards. A score of 8000 points (averaging 800 points per event) is a rule of thumb cutoff for a world-class decathlete. Few major international meetings will ever be won with a score of less than 8000 points. There is some subjectivity within the scoring tables. Mental factors play a greater role than they do in other events. Many coaches talk of a "decathlon mentality," meaning the athlete's ability to stay focused throughout the ten events, to get psyched up for each attempt or race, and to shrug off disappointment and get on with the next trial. In the decathlon there are chances to recuperate from mistakes. Decathletes also differ from most athletes in their reaction to a completed meet. Ask a decathlete to assess his recently completed performance and invariably they are seldom satisfied, in fact, often frustrated. Rarely does a decathlete achieve personal record (PR) performance in every event. No matter how well he does, whether he wins or sets a record, the decathlete can always find room for improvement. There is always a "wait until next time" attitude. Additionally the decathlon is the most neighborly of all track events. Because the same athletes are together for the better part of two days and the rules require a minimum of 30 minutes rest between events there is much time to chat on the field. And much of the time is used in helping one another, appraising technique, verifying takeoff points, giving advice and reassurance, even using others' equipment. In the decathlon the opponent is rarely another athlete. The struggle is against time, distance, fatigue and ones inner fear of weakness or failure and the scoring tables. The opponent is oneself. Other decathletes are comrades, friends who help others do their best. Rarely are they hostile. Every decathlete concentrates on doing his utmost without attempting to diminish the efforts of others. A Quick Look at the Events Here is some basic information about each of the ten decathlon events: 100 METERS This event measures basic leg speed and each race/heat will have between 3 and 8 runners. You will push off a set of starting blocks at the start as a reaction to a starters pistol, sprint for 100 meters and lean at the finish line. The race can be timed with a hand held stopwatch to the tenth of a second, or by an automatic timing device which will catch the runners in 1/100ths of a second. LONG JUMP The athlete runs toward the landing area, plants his takeoff foot on an 8-inch 'toeboard' (named for obvious reasons) and leaps into a sand filled pit. The distance is measured from the mark made in the pit which is closest to the takeoff board. Speed and accuracy are secondary to leaping ability. Each athlete will have only 3 chances and only the best jump will count in the scoring. SHOT PUT The shot put measures basic arm strength. Again, three tries counting only the best effort for scoring. The athlete attempts to push or 'put' (not throw) a 16-pound iron ball so that it lands within a sector of 40 degrees. The throwing circle is seven feet wide and made of concrete. Efforts do not count if the athlete oversteps the throwing circle or if the shot lands outside of the sector lines. HIGH JUMP Yet another explosive event where the athlete must approach the bar and landing area, gather himself and leap (always off one foot) over a crossbar. The landing pit is usually made of foam rubber. The crossbar is raised, usually 3cm (@ 1 1/4inches) and an athlete is eliminated after three consecutive misses. The highest height cleared is used for scoring. 400 METERS A century ago, a quarter mile (440 yards) race was deemed an endurance test. Today its metric equivalent is almost an all out sprint. The athlete runs the entire distance in lanes, and like the 100 meter race, may have anywhere from 2 to 7 competitors. The 400 meters tests both speed and stamina and ends the first day's competition. DAY TWO 110-METER HURDLES The initial event of the second day combines speed and agility. The athletes must sprint (not jump) over a series of ten barriers, 42 inches high (39 inches at the high school level), which are placed 10 yards apart. The athlete must both sprint and stretch his stride pattern so as to only take 3 steps between hurdles. Hurdles may not be deliberately knocked down. DISCUS THROW The discus, which weighs 2 kilograms (4 1/2 pounds) and is 8'2.5" inches in diameter, has aerodynamic qualities. Again, only three tries are allowed and the athlete, while turning 1 1/2 times, must stay within an 8'2.5" concrete circle. The discus must land within a 40-degree sector. Only the best throw counts in the scoring. POLE VAULT Technically this is the decathlon's most difficult event. While grasping the upper end of a 14 to 15 foot fiberglass vaulting pole, the athlete races toward the pit, plants the pole in a takeoff box and swings himself up and over a crossbar, eventually landing in a foam rubber pit. Sound easy? It takes lots of practice. JAVELIN The javelin is a metal spear approximately 8½ feet in length and weighing 800 grams (just under 2 pounds). It must be held by a grip and the throw made behind an arc. At all levels except the high school the javelin must land point first within the sector, which is 29 degrees wide. Each athlete is given three attempts and the best throw is scored. 1500 METERS The final test is one of endurance, 3 3/4 laps around the 400-meter track. Rarely does the decathlete have the luxury of loafing during this event. He must give his best effort since, at approximately 6 points for every second, places, scores and records (personal or otherwise) will be at stake. Ubercoach |
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Originally Posted by Dub guy
Simple.............TIGER WOODS!
There is a reason why next year he will be the first sports billionaire |
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Originally Posted by Dub guy
your nuts.....tiger gain 25lbs of lean muscle just to increase his distance alone. You utilize many muscles in the game of golf. Tiger woods has achieved more records and wins in his sport in the time he has been playing 10 years than any other sports star will in their career....plus he can golf pro for 25 more years if he likes...
nice try dumbass |
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Originally Posted by maniclion
Mario Andretti.
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
Top 10 athlete of all time and also a very sexy man |
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Originally Posted by ubercoach
music sucks.
Ubercoach |
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Originally Posted by ForemanRules
The thread is about the best athlete, not the best basketball player.
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